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I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this kind of question, since it relates to critical reception rather than plotlines. Anyway, here's my question: I'm writing a paper on Israeli and Palestinian films relating to the conflict, and was wondering how much the following movies are known abroad (I'm Israeli), and how they resonate with the viewing public. This is not a "do my homework for me" kind of post, I just want to get a feel for how well they are known overseas (if at all). The movies: Zero Motivation Jenin, Jenin Waltz with Bashir The Gatekeepers Paradise Now (Golden Globe winner and Oscar nominee) Have any of you seen them? How did you react to them? Did they alter your views on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict? H.H fucked around with this message at 04:28 on May 2, 2016 |
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H.H posted:I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this kind of question, since it relates to critical reception rather than plotlines. I've also seen Lebanon, Beaufort, and I think some documentary related to the settlements that I can't remember the name of. I don't know a lot of history about the Palestinian/Israeli mess or the various conflicts with Lebanon, but from what I gather Israel is very, very far from the "good guys" a lot of the time (this seems like the US media establishment view). I got the sense from these movies that a lot of Israelis have misgivings about how their country acts and don't want to keep brushing the more heinous acts under the carpet anymore. All of the war movies I saw mainly deal with how the grunt soldiers react to the situations they are in and none of them seemed particularly gung-ho about the underlying political reasons for what they were doing. Overall, I think the movies gave me a more negative and cynical view of Israeli government actions but they underlined that not all of the population is onboard with this stuff either.
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May 1, 2016 21:51
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I saw Waltz with Bashir (Zero Motivation is on my Netflix queue). I really liked it. It didn't alter my views at all - I'm Jewish and I have plenty of friends from the area so I'm not exactly a babe in the woods when it comes to the topic.
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May 2, 2016 04:51
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TychoCelchuuu posted:I saw Waltz with Bashir (Zero Motivation is on my Netflix queue). I really liked it. It didn't alter my views at all - I'm Jewish and I have plenty of friends from the area so I'm not exactly a babe in the woods when it comes to the topic. Any non-Jewish friends who also saw it? Have you had a chance to discuss it with them? What was their reaction to it?
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May 2, 2016 05:06
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H.H posted:Any non-Jewish friends who also saw it? Have you had a chance to discuss it with them? What was their reaction to it? 
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May 2, 2016 14:45
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What about The Green Prince? Anybody saw that?
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May 3, 2016 00:36
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Snak posted:I don't remember, why doesn't it make sense at the end? I don't know about anyone else but for me the way Tom Cruise figures out the betrayal because of the misplaced Bible really doesn't work all that well. Especially how the movie has the bit where Jon Voigt is all "you saw that the Bible was from a hotel I stayed at, of course you figured out I'm the traitor."
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May 3, 2016 15:11
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H.H posted:I just want to get a feel for how well they are known overseas (if at all). Most will have not heard of any of these. Waltz with Bashir will probably be known or heard of by most who watch a lot of movies. When I think about long conflicts between countries or countries in the midst of civil war I think of things like No Man's Land (2001) and Freddy vs. Jason.
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May 3, 2016 21:41
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muscles like this? posted:I don't know about anyone else but for me the way Tom Cruise figures out the betrayal because of the misplaced Bible really doesn't work all that well. Especially how the movie has the bit where Jon Voigt is all "you saw that the Bible was from a hotel I stayed at, of course you figured out I'm the traitor."
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May 4, 2016 13:36
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The hotel stamped it.
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May 4, 2016 18:35
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Those drat gideons! The reason it works is: why would their apartment in Prague have a bible from Chicago? Then you remember Max and Job used bible codewords. Voila!
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May 4, 2016 19:57
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Yeah, that movie has a reputation as impenetrable that it doesn't really deserve. The only part I think is confusing is when the flashback that shows multiple possibilities as Ethan's trying to puzzle out the conspiracy.
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May 4, 2016 20:01
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Wait, really? People are confused by Mission: Impossible? Are these the same people who are confused by Inception?
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May 4, 2016 22:40
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Aren't we arguing logic in a movie which literally has two men on motorcycles joust0rush each other and then leap off the bikes in midair to grapple with each other and then fly in a totally different direction and fly over a small cliff and avoid the inexplicable explosion of both motorcycles needs more flocks of white doves
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May 5, 2016 00:38
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coyo7e posted:Aren't we arguing logic in a movie which literally has two men on motorcycles joust0rush each other and then leap off the bikes in midair to grapple with each other and then fly in a totally different direction and fly over a small cliff and avoid the inexplicable explosion of both motorcycles That's the sequel. Which owns in its own way.
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May 5, 2016 00:40
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effectual posted:That's the sequel. Which owns in its own way. There are a poo poo ton of doves in it too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltrGfM-8p3c&t=120s (start at 2:00) edit: V why else would this get brought up? Snak fucked around with this message at 01:12 on May 5, 2016 |
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May 5, 2016 00:53
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Well, it is a John Woo film.
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May 5, 2016 00:58
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That's one of the best things about the video game Stranglehold. It's a directed by John Woo, starring Chow Yun Fat "sequel" to Hard Boiled, and any time you do a special move, Chow Yun Fat spins around and doves fly out of nowhere. It's amazing. Actually it kind of looks like they fly out of his crotch. edit: I found this great video about the game: Manly Moments in Gaming: Stranglehold I have the game. It's not very good. Snak fucked around with this message at 01:18 on May 5, 2016 |
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May 5, 2016 01:14
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effectual posted:That's the sequel. Which owns in its own way.
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May 5, 2016 21:18
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Snak posted:That's one of the best things about the video game Stranglehold. It's a directed by John Woo, starring Chow Yun Fat "sequel" to Hard Boiled, and any time you do a special move, Chow Yun Fat spins around and doves fly out of nowhere. It's amazing. And now I wanna play Castlevania II and III again
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May 5, 2016 21:31
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I'm trying to hunt down a copy of the short film Chicken Thing and not having any luck. I know it was on VHS at one point but Amazon and Ebay are coming up dry. Any other places to check? (And it's not on YouTube or Vimeo or seemingly anywhere else, I looked.)
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May 7, 2016 07:44
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morestuff posted:I'm trying to hunt down a copy of the short film Chicken Thing and not having any luck. I know it was on VHS at one point but Amazon and Ebay are coming up dry. Any other places to check? (And it's not on YouTube or Vimeo or seemingly anywhere else, I looked.) Maybe throw a tweet at the director?
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May 7, 2016 08:03
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Skwirl posted:Maybe throw a tweet at the director? Gave that a shot, I'll see if he sees it in the morning.
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May 7, 2016 08:05
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Skwirl posted:Maybe throw a tweet at the director? I don't know if this is a deliberate pun or not, but I laughed.
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May 8, 2016 21:52
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My local theater just got D-Box seats. They had a demonstration thing where you could watch trailers and I thought it was kind of interesting but I don't know if it would be good for an entire movie. Has anyone had any experience with them?
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May 23, 2016 17:13
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muscles like this? posted:My local theater just got D-Box seats. They had a demonstration thing where you could watch trailers and I thought it was kind of interesting but I don't know if it would be good for an entire movie. Has anyone had any experience with them? Yeah, they're loving miserable. There's a reason similar tech is used for motion simulator rides that only last for 5 minutes. You're not being bounced around anywhere near as much as a motion simulator, but most people want to physically relax at a movie, and not be jostled around. I guess back when I was a spazzy teen I would've thought they were cool, but I've been to two D-Box screenings in my adult life and they were terrible. The only reason I went to a second was I thought maybe the first time was just a fluke, and the second would be better. Both times about half the theatre had left about a half-hour in, as people just got sick of it and weren't relishing another hour of it. Even if I had liked it, the whole experience was so inconsistent. You're watching a car chase, and the car bobs and weaves through traffic, with the seat swaying in time with the action on screen. And then a minute later the car is swerving again, but nothing from the chair. Or some bullet hits have thumps from the chair, but then others don't. It's so gimmicky and haphazard it's ridiculous. The added ticket cost really is just another nail in it's coffin.
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May 23, 2016 17:41
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The best thing about D-Box seats, is that, if your theater doesn't have assigned seating, you can just go sit in them, and unless someone buys the tickets of your seat, no one's going to do anything. One of my local theaters, the two prime rows are D-Box, so they are basically always empty. We sit in them all the time, and only once have he had to move because someone actually bought D-Box tickets. (The seats don't turn on if you don't buy the tickets)
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May 23, 2016 18:08
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D-Box seats have only one use, and that is going to see Fast and Furious movies
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May 24, 2016 15:15
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ALFbrot posted:D-Box seats have only one use, and that is going to see Fast and Furious movies I saw one of the Resident Evils in D-Box. They're a gimmick, and if you're gonna partake in a gimmick, no half-measures. Trashy genre sequels all the way.
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May 24, 2016 17:12
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I always thought 3D was a little silly but it's funny that the Schlaang Super Seat is something people will pay a premium for.
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May 24, 2016 17:32
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coyo7e posted:I honestly couldn't tell you the premise of any of them except that one, though. Ethan Hawke has to go rogue. That's basically the premise of all the M:I movies except the second.
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May 24, 2016 17:53
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Has anyone cast Ellen Page in anything where she's just a loving lunatic like Hard Candy and Super besides those two movies? I only like half of those movies, but she was so surprisingly talented at being menacing.
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May 25, 2016 22:52
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I'm bummed that porn theaters aren't really a thing anymore because I bet D-box seats would be a really interesting way to watch porn.
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May 26, 2016 06:52
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I Before E posted:I'm bummed that porn theaters aren't really a thing anymore because I bet D-box seats would be a really interesting way to watch porn. I can't believe I have to say this
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May 26, 2016 06:52
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Alhazred posted:Ethan Hawke has to go rogue. That's basically the premise of all the M:I movies except the second. Wrong Ethan.Though that would be an interesting idea for a Training Day sequel.
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May 26, 2016 06:58
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Skwirl posted:Wrong Ethan.Though that would be an interesting idea for a Training Day sequel. I literally had to look up what Tom Cruise's characters name was in Mission: Impossible after reading this post. God he has no character in those movies. Tom Cruise as himself.
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May 26, 2016 07:56
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Snak posted:I literally had to look up what Tom Cruise's characters name was in Mission: Impossible after reading this post. It is a little funny that people say "The new James Bond movie" or "The new Bourne movie," but no one ever says "The new Ethan Hunt movie." (Bourne sorta cheats because his name is in all the movie titles, including the one that he isn't even in).
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May 26, 2016 08:18
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Skwirl posted:It is a little funny that people say "The new James Bond movie" or "The new Bourne movie," but no one ever says "The new Ethan Hunt movie." (Bourne sorta cheats because his name is in all the movie titles, including the one that he isn't even in). Yeah, Bond has over-hyped character-defining traits, and Jason Bourne's movies are unilaterally about his ideological quest for truth and justice. Outside of the first Mission Impossible film, Ethan Hunt's character is just the protagonist. He has almost no character traits beyond "is the hero". It's not a big deal, it works in the context of the films. But I think it does make them less memorable. In the case of both Bond and Bourne, their action scenes are stylistically informed by their character. Hunt, on the other hand, just does capable hero things. I guess climbing and motorcycles and running, but two of those are just Tom Cruise things that he does in all of his movies.
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The other thing is that while Bond and Bourne films are very much about the lone spy doing stuff, the MI films (except the John Woo one I guess) lean more heavily on the supporting cast. I wouldn't say they're ensemble pieces, but the other characters carry more weight than, say, your typical Bond Girl
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May 26, 2016 08:39
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:The other thing is that while Bond and Bourne films are very much about the lone spy doing stuff, the MI films (except the John Woo one I guess) lean more heavily on the supporting cast. I wouldn't say they're ensemble pieces, but the other characters carry more weight than, say, your typical Bond Girl Yeah, Simon Pegg's and Ving Rhames's characters have plenty of character. It also doesn't help that several of the MI sequels (I believe) started out as unrelated scripts that were adapted to the MI franchise. I might be wrong about that though.
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