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oddium posted:my heart goes out to anyone who's really into a moba. we'll get through this I don't think I'll ever really understand MOBAs. I tried. I've got friends who are super into LoL and one friend who's super into Dota 2 and all of them have tried to explain why they play but they also never actually sound like they're having any fun. I think I can understand the appeal of the sort of fast-forwarded character building you get in a MOBA match, how you level up and build your character/equipment as you go and start again in the next match. I'm actually disappointed that Battleborn sucks because I was curious to see if that could work for co-op as well as competitive multiplayer, sort of like a microcosm of the MMO experience, but apparently not.
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I am sorry you feel that way, friend. Personally I really enjoy dungeon fighter online and yeah it's the exception and not the rule but I think it would still be just as fun if it were something I had to pay for. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm trying to say that your opinion is wrong or anything, I think you are entitled to your own view even if I don't agree with it 100%
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May 24, 2016 14:41
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The majority of games are created to make money.
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May 24, 2016 14:45
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FirstAidKite posted:I am sorry you feel that way, friend. Personally I really enjoy dungeon fighter online and yeah it's the exception and not the rule but I think it would still be just as fun if it were something I had to pay for. No arguing or anything here haha. I've enjoyed F2P myself in certain instances, but generally I would just prefer the classic model.
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May 24, 2016 14:47
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Paladinus posted:The majority of games are created to make money. Every piece of media is but there are still shades to it, it's not black and white.
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May 24, 2016 14:48
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ok I just didn't want people to think I was trying to be a dick or anything  I'm just bored and like to talk
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May 24, 2016 14:49
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FirstAidKite posted:ok I just didn't want people to think I was trying to be a dick or anything I like to troll people online.
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May 24, 2016 14:50
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I really like the idea of a MOBA, but I want one that has a fixed, small roster. For me, a big barrier to access is that that there are SO MANY characters that all have unique abilities you have to understand to be any good. When I tried to play LoL, it worked really hard learning how to play my characters well, but it wasn't even close to enough to be decent, because any time I was up against an enemy I wasn't familiar with, I'd just get clowned. If there was a MOBA that had like, 24 characters instead of 120, and they never added more, I'd be all about that.
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May 24, 2016 14:55
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Snak posted:I really like the idea of a MOBA, but I want one that has a fixed, small roster. For me, a big barrier to access is that that there are SO MANY characters that all have unique abilities you have to understand to be any good. When I tried to play LoL, it worked really hard learning how to play my characters well, but it wasn't even close to enough to be decent, because any time I was up against an enemy I wasn't familiar with, I'd just get clowned. 95% of LoL games have the same 30 or so champions. You just need to get far enough in the game to actually see meta in action, as opposed to people just picking whatever champion and going wherever lane. Imo, when people pick the same champions all the time, it's actually less fun.
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May 24, 2016 15:00
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In theory, games like Battleborn or Smite should appeal to me, because I'm definitely interested in the idea of a MOBA but I don't really like the moment-to-moment gameplay of the traditional, descended-from-RTS ones. But I dunno, Smite didn't really click either, so I'm pretty sure it's just down to the whole lanes and creep waves and all that kind of stuff being multiplayer mechanics I can't really care too much about. I wish Battleborn had turned out better just because I'm so curious what a MOBA-like game that's PvE would be like, but maybe it turns out "just ok at best."
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May 24, 2016 15:00
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Paladinus posted:95% of LoL games have the same 30 or so champions. You just need to get far enough in the game to actually see meta in action, as opposed to people just picking whatever champion and going wherever lane. Imo, when people pick the same champions all the time, it's actually less fun. Yes, but if someone is using someone outside of these 30 champions, it's probably because that champion has some dumb gimmick, which if I'm not familiar with, I'm gonna get clowned by it.
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May 24, 2016 15:04
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Snak posted:Yes, but if someone is using someone outside of these 30 champions, it's probably because that champion has some dumb gimmick, which if I'm not familiar with, I'm gonna get clowned by it. Sometimes it's fun to get brutally owned by something you didn't expect. When I play with friends, games that we horribly lose are often more entertaining than the ones we win.
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May 24, 2016 15:07
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Snak posted:Yes, but if someone is using someone outside of these 30 champions, it's probably because that champion has some dumb gimmick, which if I'm not familiar with, I'm gonna get clowned by it. Battleborn has a roster of 25, it looks like.
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May 24, 2016 15:08
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Paladinus posted:Sometimes it's fun to get brutally owned by something you didn't expect. When I play with friends, games that we horribly lose are often more entertaining than the ones we win. yeah, but if you don't have any friends, it's not really fun at all. It doesn't matter, I'm never going back to that toxic bullshit.
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People who expect you to stick to "the meta" or else they will whine and complain or even worse report you are the worst people that play video games I do not want somebody to tell me to kill myself for picking a character they don't want in a game that has 500 characters
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May 24, 2016 15:16
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All you had to do was follow the drat meta, CJ
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May 24, 2016 15:18
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May 24, 2016 15:19
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My landlord is showing my place four times today. So at least seven times this week.
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May 24, 2016 15:19
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My roommate who said he absolutely wouldn't buy Overwatch because they gave more beta keys to streamers rather than "normal" people bought the game yesterday. Life is great.
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May 24, 2016 15:20
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Snak posted:yeah, but if you don't have any friends, it's not really fun at all. It doesn't matter, I'm never going back to that toxic bullshit. Oh sure, playing MOBAs alone sucks. I wouldn't recommend anyone to do that.
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May 24, 2016 15:21
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Mr E posted:My roommate who said he absolutely wouldn't buy Overwatch because they gave more beta keys to streamers rather than "normal" people bought the game yesterday. Life is great. That's awesome. And I forgot that they called already this morning to say there's another showing this afternoon. So five showings today. gently caress my life.
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May 24, 2016 15:22
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Harrow posted:In theory, games like Battleborn or Smite should appeal to me, because I'm definitely interested in the idea of a MOBA but I don't really like the moment-to-moment gameplay of the traditional, descended-from-RTS ones. But I dunno, Smite didn't really click either, so I'm pretty sure it's just down to the whole lanes and creep waves and all that kind of stuff being multiplayer mechanics I can't really care too much about. yeah i just can't get into the whole genre for a bunch of reasons. i really feel like im missing something
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I was very into LoL for a period of a couple of years. Ultimately, it's an extremely toxic experience and the format of the game inherently breeds annoyance and anger (because if you're losing you'd better buckle in to continue losing for the next hour). That said, the reason I kept playing is because when you are having a great game and your entire team is meshing really well together it feels really loving good. Since one individual kill in the early game can lead to a snowball effect you can pretty easily turn into a terrifying murder-beast by halfway through. tl;dr: really high highs, really low lows. But not even close to being worth the investment of time and mental well-being.
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Mr E posted:My roommate who said he absolutely wouldn't buy Overwatch because they gave more beta keys to streamers rather than "normal" people bought the game yesterday. Life is great.
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May 24, 2016 15:27
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PantsBandit posted:Ultimately, it's an extremely toxic experience and the format of the game inherently breeds annoyance and anger (because if you're losing you'd better buckle in to continue losing for the next hour). Even in spite of the community, this is why I'm not a huge fan of mobas. If you start losing, it's unreasonably hard to turn the tables, especially in League of Legends. I don't think I've played a moba that didn't end up being balanced around one team steamrolling the other.
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Mr E posted:My roommate who said he absolutely wouldn't buy Overwatch because they gave more beta keys to streamers rather than "normal" people bought the game yesterday. Life is great. boycottmodernwarfare2.jpg Snak posted:That's awesome. Keep everything nice and tidy for the first few showings then slowly start letting everything get more ragged then on the last one just go full on goon cave and act totally surprised when they walk in on you in your Cheeto stained underwear clutching your dakimakura pillow.
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Wamdoodle posted:boycottmodernwarfare2.jpg Edit: gently caress beaten on the boycott.jpg
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Snak posted:That's awesome. Embed yourself in an elaborate foam-rubber structure designed to look like you've fused with the living room wall to form a Cronenbergian hybrid of human and apartment.
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Harrow posted:I don't think I'll ever really understand MOBAs. I tried. I've got friends who are super into LoL and one friend who's super into Dota 2 and all of them have tried to explain why they play but they also never actually sound like they're having any fun. MOBAs are basically counterstrike with RPG elements tacked on. They're hyper competitive; that's really all you need to understand. (And that's why they're ultimately not fun) Mr E posted:My roommate who said he absolutely wouldn't buy Overwatch because they gave more beta keys to streamers rather than "normal" people bought the game yesterday. Life is great. Call of duty boycott group .jpg Wamdoodle posted:boycottmodernwarfare2.jpg drat
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Even if they did give out keys to streamers, that happens to most video games with reviewers and even the lower feeding chain ladder rungs like popular youtubers so it's like who cares
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I am so loving surprised that a game company would favor people who have the ability to show the game to thousands of people before its release. This is a loving outrage. I won't be parting with my money for this.
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Part of what kills MOBAs for me is the whole laning phase thing, where you're basically just in a stand-off with someone from the other team while you both grind NPCs. Well, you're sort of grinding NPCs at each other. I can't wrap my brain around wanting to play a game mode where "grind faceless NPCs for a while" is an expected and important part of a competitive multiplayer match. I get that there's more to it than that, but at the core you're mostly competing to see who can grind more NPCs before starting to push on each others' bases, right?
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That logic also doesn't quite follow when they had a massive free beta before launch. "These people got to play the game for free before I got to play the game for free" 
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PantsBandit posted:That logic also doesn't quite follow when they had a massive free beta before launch. I'm amazed that anyone can still be surprised at how whiny and entitled gamers can be.
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Harrow posted:Part of what kills MOBAs for me is the whole laning phase thing, where you're basically just in a stand-off with someone from the other team while you both grind NPCs. Well, you're sort of grinding NPCs at each other. I can't wrap my brain around wanting to play a game mode where "grind faceless NPCs for a while" is an expected and important part of a competitive multiplayer match. Eh, I wouldn't really say that. Even in the early laning phase you need to be extremely aware of what's going on. Like I mentioned earlier, early-game kills are huge. The guy you're laning against is going to be constantly watching for you to over-extend. Not to mention the fact that 90% of the time each team will have a "jungle" player who roams the map looking for opportunities to ambush during the laning phase.
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Yeah, I can see how there's tension in there and the possibility for surprise. I'm oversimplifying it I'm sure.
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Harrow posted:Yeah, I can see how there's tension in there and the possibility for surprise. I'm oversimplifying it I'm sure. It's what turns me off to the games too. It's a multiplayer competitive game where 90% of the time you're not even fighting each other, you're fighting the computer to prevent the other team from having bigger numbers. It's a bafflingly complicated and annoying design and I will never understand why MOBAs became so impossibly huge
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Paladinus posted:Hello. if we are going by steriotype, he wouldnt be a fedora dude then. He would be some dude with rainbow hair and a lovely beard and a "dad bod" and he would be into self flagellation because of his "sins" of existing. he is the nu nice guy Mr E posted:My roommate who said he absolutely wouldn't buy Overwatch because they gave more beta keys to streamers rather than "normal" people bought the game yesterday. Life is great. he is a fool. its a great game. its fun and fast.
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Every time somebody tries to explain what a MOBA is to me it just goes in one ear and out the other. I've looked up what the hell they are several times now and always forget, and MOBA is probably the least descriptive genre in an industry that legit uses terms like roguelike and metroidvania. And I'm not talking about whatever acronym MOBA stands for because I never remember that either. Cue a dozen people deciding to now tell me what they are again before I forget this afternoon.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:if we are going by steriotype, he wouldnt be a fedora dude then. He would be some dude with rainbow hair and a lovely beard and a "dad bod" and he would be into self flagellation because of his "sins" of existing. he is the nu nice guy yeah he would be this stereotype no one's ever heard of
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