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Halloween's getting remade again. http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/23/blumhouse-and-john-carpenter-are-bringing-halloween-back Yippie.
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Blumhouse is doing it and John Carpenter is heavily involved? gently caress yeah, this might be dece.
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May 24, 2016 06:00
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Even if the movie sucked but we got a new Carpenter score out of it, I'd call it a success
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May 24, 2016 06:23
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I thought Rob Zombies remake was pretty fun. Not as great as the first one but I thought it was an interesting take.
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May 24, 2016 08:20
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Going back to Shudder for a moment, do the movies stay in their library, or is the curation a rotating cycle that movies drop off of after a little while?
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May 24, 2016 08:47
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I liked his Loomis, but thought Zombie's first was total poo poo and I'm pretty fair to remakes. 2nd one was neat though.
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May 24, 2016 08:49
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Glamorama26 posted:Even if the movie sucked but we got a new Carpenter score out of it, I'd call it a success Buy both Lost Themes albums. Mind you, this is probably the only thread on these forums where someone can say a movie remake raped their childhood and everyone else will shout "gently caress yeah, that just became a must see!"
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May 24, 2016 13:23
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Zombie's Halloween is really good when it's focusing on Myers and his hosed-up life, but it loses steam rapidly whenever it actually remakes Halloween.
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May 24, 2016 13:58
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Zombie's Halloween is really good when it's focusing on Myers and his hosed-up life, but it loses steam rapidly whenever it actually remakes Halloween. Agreed. Everyone was all "oh come on, we don't need to see Michael Myers' childhood!" but as it turns out those parts were pretty good and it was the rest that was kinda bad.
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May 24, 2016 15:27
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It disappoints me that Carpenter would be in the "but Michael Myers should be a force of nature" crowd. I figured he'd want a filmmaker to try their own thing instead of just remaking Halloween shot for shot. In a way Carpenter takes credit away from himself as a filmmaker with that comment. He's not acknowledging that his cinematography and score were 90% of what made Halloween so effective, and its those things that would go on to be its legacy and influence on the genre, not the specific nature of Michael Myers.
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May 24, 2016 15:41
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Carpenter is as much to blame as anyone for coming up with the twin awful ideas of Michael being Laurie's sister and Michael being part of a Druid conspiracy in his script for Halloween II. Zombie's Halloween movies deserve credit for actually kinda making the sister thing work, particularly in the second one.
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May 24, 2016 15:44
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I hope we get a Halloween III sequel. That is the best of the Halloween movies besides the first. Hell, I'd say it rivals the first.
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May 24, 2016 15:53
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Howling Man posted:I hope we get a Halloween III sequel. That is the best of the Halloween movies besides the first. Hell, I'd say it rivals the first. Might be tough to do a sequel when every child in the country is dead!.
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May 24, 2016 15:55
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Basebf555 posted:Might be tough to do a sequel when every child in the country is dead!. See part of the reason that ending never landed for me is I can't imagine that many kids would be watching that particular station at that exact time. I mean yeah I guess a handful of dead kids is still theoretically horrifying but it doesn't feel quite as apocalyptic as the movie wants me to think it is.
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May 24, 2016 15:57
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:See part of the reason that ending never landed for me is I can't imagine that many kids would be watching that particular station at that exact time. It was more believable in its time I suppose. Still, the movie does establish that the company has been making these masks for years and increasing their brand awareness for this exact moment. Its shown that kids think of a Silver Shamrock mask as like a status symbol, you're a total loser if you have some off-brand mask. And the signal wasn't broadcast on one station, they had bought that exact ad space on every single major channel, which again, was more plausible back then.
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May 24, 2016 16:02
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:See part of the reason that ending never landed for me is I can't imagine that many kids would be watching that particular station at that exact time. Man, post Sandy Hook nobody seems to give a crap about a bunch of dead kids.
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May 24, 2016 16:03
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I thought that Zombie did a good job with the "force of nature" Michael Myers. I mean I understand that the backstory humanizes him, but the scenes where MIchael kills people were pretty brutal and you got the sense he was this towering and cruel force of evil. Honestly though I don't quite see the point of the remake. I mean, we already have the original (which still holds up today), and the Zombie sequels. Do we really need more? I can definitely understand another sequel, but why do we need another remake of the original?
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May 24, 2016 16:17
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Basebf555 posted:It was more believable in its time I suppose. The movie makes it specific that the commercial is supposed to play on three stations and at the end the lead character manages to stop all but one station from broadcasting the commercial. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Man, post Sandy Hook nobody seems to give a crap about a bunch of dead kids. lol nice try
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May 24, 2016 16:21
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:The movie makes it specific that the commercial is supposed to play on three stations and at the end the lead character manages to stop all but one station from broadcasting the commercial. Yea, all the major stations. There are three major stations. The movie takes place in the early 80's.
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May 24, 2016 16:25
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Basebf555 posted:Yea, all the major stations. There are three major stations. The movie takes place in the early 80's. Correct. And at the end only one of those three stations shows the commercial. So the whole "every child in America dies at the end" thing still doesn't hold water. This is ignoring the other weird logic leaps, like how a risky dink mask operation with only three varieties affords to buy all this ad space, or why all these parents are letting their kids stay up to watch the original Halloween on tv. Halloween III is a fun movie, but it's stone cold stupid.
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May 24, 2016 16:28
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Correct. And at the end only one of those three stations shows the commercial. So the whole "every child in America dies at the end" thing still doesn't hold water. The kids are sitting by the television, anxiously awaiting the broadcast, because the company's been hyping this up for weeks/months. The kids would have flipped from one channel to another attempting to find it, just like the main character does at the end. The company isn't some rinky dink operation. They are very successful and if they weren't trying to hide all the weird stuff they wouldn't have set up in the middle of nowhere like that. The fact that they only have three varieties of mask is a design concession, it creates a very iconic image when you see kids running around with one of those jack o lantern or witch masks on. It also helps build tension because you recognize the masks, and you realize that every kid you see has one. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 16:44 on May 24, 2016 |
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May 24, 2016 16:41
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Basebf555 posted:The kids are sitting by the television, anxiously awaiting the broadcast, because the company's been hyping this up for weeks/months. The kids would have flipped from one channel to another attempting to find it, just like the main character does at the end. See I feel like Child's Play did a better and more persuasive job with all of this stuff and it's not even that good a movie
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May 24, 2016 17:00
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:See I feel like Child's Play did a better and more persuasive job with all of this stuff and it's not even that good a movie Child's Play is closer to reality for sure, because there hasn't really ever been a Halloween mask craze where a certain company dominated the "market". Kids just go into the store and pick out whichever one of the hundreds of masks they want. Most parents have had a personal experience with whatever the toy of the moment is though, and the difficulties you can run into when trying to track one down during the holidays. Its something people can relate to more directly.
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May 24, 2016 17:19
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Halloween 3 is a movie where Stonehenge lasers turn people into bugs and snakes, so I don't see why it's weird that parents will let their kids watch Halloween.
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May 24, 2016 17:20
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Halloween 3 is a movie where Stonehenge lasers turn people into bugs and snakes, so I don't see why it's weird that parents will let their kids watch Halloween. This, as always, is the difference between realism and verisimilitude. Child's Play is a movie where a serial killer uses voodoo to possess a kid's toy, which I don't expect anyone to buy, but the doll itself makes way more sense as a toy a child of the '80s would plausibly be obsessed with and simply have to have than "generic skull mask" or "generic pumpkin mask." This also makes it function better as a satire of commercialism, which granted is an angle I think it could've standed to push harder than it does. Plus Halloween III spends so much time elucidating the details of its wild-rear end premise that it practically begs the viewer to try and make sense of it.
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May 24, 2016 17:28
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CelticPredator posted:Halloween's getting remade again. Apparently directed by Mike Flanagan (Hush, Oculus) if rumors are true
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May 24, 2016 17:55
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105 million people watched the MASH finale the year after Halloween 3 came out, and a couple years prior about 80-90 million people watched an episode of Dallas. TV was still in the network world at that time and cable, and the dilution of potential eyes being on one channel at any given time, didn't really start to be the norm until the 80s were wrapping up and the service was expanding into every corner of the country (even then, something like the Cheers finale in 1993 was watched by 45 million households). Given when the movie was made, millions of kids tuning into a channel simultaneously for a big event isn't shocking. Event TV was a more believable phenomenon and wasn't "The Super Bowl, and then some things waaaaaaay down below that" like it is now.
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May 24, 2016 19:32
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If it did a .1 rating it would still be the single biggest terror attack in world history. The stakes being modest doesn't really diminish it.
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May 24, 2016 19:39
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K. Waste posted:Wyrmwood is actually a pretty decent 'revisionist' zombie movie. not as good as Frankenstein's Army, but close. What's good about Frankenstein's Army? I thought it was pretty lame
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May 24, 2016 19:54
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The Cameo posted:105 million people watched the MASH finale the year after Halloween 3 came out, and a couple years prior about 80-90 million people watched an episode of Dallas. TV was still in the network world at that time and cable, and the dilution of potential eyes being on one channel at any given time, didn't really start to be the norm until the 80s were wrapping up and the service was expanding into every corner of the country (even then, something like the Cheers finale in 1993 was watched by 45 million households). Given when the movie was made, millions of kids tuning into a channel simultaneously for a big event isn't shocking. Event TV was a more believable phenomenon and wasn't "The Super Bowl, and then some things waaaaaaay down below that" like it is now. I still feel like a free Halloween mask giveaway at 9pm on Halloween would not have the same kind of draw as MASH or Dallas
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May 24, 2016 19:54
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And regardless of how many children actually die that night, the whole thing is one gigantic ritual sacrifice to the Old Gods. Best case a bunch of witches take over the world, worst case the ritual summons an Old God, Gozer style. I love that we all know how pointless this discussion is but we just want to talk about Halloween III.
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May 24, 2016 19:56
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Am I the only one who reads the thread title to the tune of CRJ's Gimme Love?
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DeimosRising posted:What's good about Frankenstein's Army? I thought it was pretty lame it's totally lame, but like Wyrmwood the lame gimmickry is so thick and the ideological context so explicit that it becomes effective satire on the 'apolitical' tenor of big budget, 'realistic' war movies. similarly, Wyrmwood is way more feminist than the 'official' postfeminist mad max film, Fury Road, but scaled back to the budget of the original Mad Max - you can trust the authenticity of the 'cheapness.' the 'normal stuff' is there so that you'll buy the incredible craziness.
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May 24, 2016 20:20
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DeimosRising posted:What's good about Frankenstein's Army? I thought it was pretty lame Personally I saw as a depiction of the savagery of the Eastern Front reinterpreted through the lens of a creature feature. It's weird; no matter how grotesque and carttonish the violence gets, you keep thinking to yourself "actually, it was that bad."
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May 24, 2016 20:49
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Basebf555 posted:In a way Carpenter takes credit away from himself as a filmmaker with that comment. He's not acknowledging that his cinematography and score were 90% of what made Halloween so effective, and its those things that would go on to be its legacy and influence on the genre, not the specific nature of Michael Myers. I also disagree that the nature (or however you want to say it) of The Shape didn't have much to do with the way the film connected with audiences. In fact, I think it's more or less precisely the opposite---The Shape represented something that contemporary audiences were already worried about, in the same way in the original Dirty Harry (1971) it matters that Harry is a cop (and not a random vigilante, member of the military, or something like that) and The One That Got Away is a serial killer. Make Harry a returning Vietnam vet who decides to become a vigilante and the whole social context of the film, for someone in 1971, would shift and the whole audience surrogate/power trip schtick wouldn't work the same way at all. And this very much isn't true of audiences today, for whom a cop is probably a less sympathetic wielder of deadly force than a member of the uniformed military. The major weakness of Zombie's Halloween remake is that what he replaces Carpenter's Shape with is not something which, in 2007, plays the same way for the audience as the original did in 1978. In no small part because, beyond everything else, the whole psychological realism, film-as-Reichian-analyst schtick was already fairly old hat by the time Zombie made the film.
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May 24, 2016 23:01
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I always hear people say that Zombie's Halloween ruins Michael Myers by showing he was just a hosed-up kid with a hosed-up home life, but to me that's what makes it a good companion piece to the original. Zombie wants you to see how mundane Michael's transformation is. There's nothing all that unusual about Michael Myers, and that's what makes it scary. Zombie's movie says there could be thousands of potential Michaels out there, all just kind of teetering on the edge of finally crossing the line. It's frightening for a different reason than the original's Michael because the evil doesn't come from nowhere, it comes from everywhere. Plus, I love McDowell's Loomis as an even shittier Dr. Phil.
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May 25, 2016 00:49
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It kind of is that, but I wish we got a Loomis movie.
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May 25, 2016 00:50
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Halloween III is a fun movie, but it's stone cold stupid. "Stonehenge. Hah, we had a time getting it here! You wouldn't believe how we did it!"
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May 25, 2016 00:55
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I still feel like a free Halloween mask giveaway at 9pm on Halloween would not have the same kind of draw as MASH or Dallas Woulda pulled enough kids in to work, though.
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What's like the most ridiculous horror movie ever, the one that tries the wackiest poo poo but actually pulls it off? I don't mean "so bad its good" like a Troll 2, I'm talking about a movie that's whacked out and crazy but actually works and is entertaining. My personal vote is Lifeforce, but you could argue Halloween III or maybe Hausu. Evil Dead II is also pretty ridiculous.
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