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The alternative is saying that "we must consider all aboriginal parents inherently less fit than white parents" so it seems like a reasonable conclusion. Even raised by white parents, an aboriginal person can be subject to discrimination. Also, what Ikantski left out of the quote is that he found out about his heritage after his adoptive mother left the family, which could cause feelings of abandonment, betrayal, and a lack of connection to your identity, all of which could factor into his criminal history. Seems like the court of appeal made a pretty reasonable judgement in this case, to be honest.
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flakeloaf posted:Is there a non-racist interpretation of that, cause I'm not seeing one. Hip-hop culture being associated with higher than normal rates of gang affiliation and violence is hardly the same thing as saying black people or aboriginal people are predisposed toward criminality, I hope you realize that.
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May 24, 2016 19:55
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Macklemore is what everyone was afraid Eminem would be.
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May 24, 2016 19:57
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i can't wait to see what you townie rear end bitches know about hip hop
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May 24, 2016 20:03
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PT6A posted:Hip-hop culture being associated with higher than normal rates of gang affiliation and violence is hardly the same thing as saying black people or aboriginal people are predisposed toward criminality, I hope you realize that. Yeah I figured that out on my second pass. quote:“The problem is the idea that ‘Well, that person was adopted by non-Aboriginals and hasn’t had an Aboriginal experience,’ but our position is that it is an Aboriginal experience, because they are adopted out of their community, disproportionately involved with child welfare, and disproportionately adopted into non-Aboriginal homes and many of those adoptions break down,” she said. What's a toddler's sense of community, exactly? Being adopted and then abandoned by your adopted mother, and then finding out you're actually adopted isn't exactly a "distinctly Aboriginal" experience but who knows what other sorts of lovely treatment the guy endured because of his heritage along the road, what effect his mother's chaotic home fuelled by alcoholism may have had on his health as an infant or small child, what was going through his head at 17 when he found out, etc. etc. Wading into the weeds and saying "He didn't commit this crime because he's Aboriginal, it's cause he hangs out with those kids and their nntss-talking music" probably wasn't the best idea.
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May 24, 2016 20:04
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PT6A posted:The alternative is saying that "we must consider all aboriginal parents inherently less fit than white parents" so it seems like a reasonable conclusion. Even raised by white parents, an aboriginal person can be subject to discrimination. Right but the first judge knew that. If he had the same history and his unknown heritage was tamil or quebecois or some other oppressed culture, he'd still get the 13 years.
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May 24, 2016 20:05
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This is all a lot easier to understand if you recognize that the criminal justice system is about making the community (us) feel better about what happened, and has very little to do with reparations to the victims or punishing/rehabilitating the perpetrator. It doesn't matter if he did it or not, we just feel bad about punishing him too harshly because we have some notion that he is sympathetic due to the circumstances of his life.
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May 24, 2016 20:13
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I already called it, De Grood will be NCR, get his five years in a cushy place, and be back out probably finishing his law degree meanwhile all the families can live out the rest of their lovely lives missing their kid/siblings/etc
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May 24, 2016 20:18
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Donald Lauzon got life because he beat an infant to death by slamming her head into furniture, and knowing his story didn't make me feel appreciably worse for the guy.
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May 24, 2016 20:19
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Do it ironically posted:I already called it, De Grood will be NCR, get his five years in a cushy place, and be back out probably finishing his law degree sux 2 b u lol
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May 24, 2016 20:20
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if i went on a murdering spree maybe i could score a ps3 like Anders, would probably live a better life
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May 24, 2016 20:23
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Go for it, I'm sure you'll have a great time in a mental hospital.
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May 24, 2016 20:26
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Do it ironically posted:if i went on a murdering spree maybe i could score a ps3 like Anders, would probably live a better life "I'd be better off if someone locked me in a room with a PS3 and told me I'm never allowed to leave" is possibly the most goony statement ever made.
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May 24, 2016 20:28
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nah I just don't have any sympathy for someone who murdered 5 people, regardless of his state of mind. I also think his parents should be put on trial for knowing their son was a loving whack job and not doing anything about it
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May 24, 2016 20:36
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Do it ironically posted:nah I just don't have any sympathy for someone who murdered 5 people, regardless of his state of mind. Please Support Our Troops
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May 24, 2016 20:39
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Cultural Imperial posted:i can't wait to see what you townie rear end bitches know about hip hop It's when you jump up and down while talking fast.
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May 24, 2016 20:45
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It's when you start talking real hard and then the police back up and put their hands on their guns. That's when you know you're doing it right.
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Do it ironically posted:I also think his parents should be put on trial for knowing their son was a loving whack job and not doing anything about it It's not like they were finding dissected animal corpses in his room or finding gore-porn on his computer and he was entering Law School with high marks and had a normal social life. I guess they had a few weeks to draw a connection between his weird non-sequitur FB posting and an impending psychotic breakdown but I think a shitload of parents could be making GBS threads themselves thinking their kids are having psychotic breakdowns reading some of their stuff out of context. I'm sure the parents themselves agree with you on some level and are going through hellish levels of guilt, if that helps.
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May 24, 2016 20:51
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Cultural Imperial posted:hahahah ok social justice warriors defend this 718(e) of the Criminal Code is almost 15 years old.
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May 24, 2016 22:09
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Cultural Imperial posted:i can't wait to see what you townie rear end bitches know about hip hop It's dead.  Roll to every station, murder the DJ.
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May 24, 2016 22:21
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Cultural Imperial posted:i can't wait to see what you townie rear end bitches know about hip hop The Hip Rappers appropriate our endangered culture with narry a thought to our rich, melting pot/tapestry history while inciting our troubled youth to perform public vandalism, break noise levels , practice drug use and worse as "hip hop affiliates." Please leave Canada alone, Hip Rappers. 
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May 24, 2016 22:23
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Days I am glad that nobody cares about Manitoba;"CTV News posted:Conservative government seeks support for Trans-Pacific Partnership "CTV News again posted:
Thanks MB PCs! That sure didn't take long!
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May 24, 2016 23:22
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Mother fucker. loving bastard. I hate him.
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May 25, 2016 00:15
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Baronjutter posted:Are kids having vehicles in highschool a thing in Canada? All my middle class friends in high school had vehicles. The rest of us walked.
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Slightly Toasted posted:Days I am glad that nobody cares about Manitoba; Hey guys, I have a thought, maybe 4 year election cycles isnt the best time frame for infrastructure planning. Everyone wants an influx of cash right when they get in and right when the next election cycle comes around. No one gives a poo poo about operating cost of capital or wants to fund a reasonable sustainment and repair fund and all democratic nations seem to be suffering the same infrastructure rot as everyone else. Non partisan planning committee for... PM?
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I just went through a 20 minute probit survey on Ontario politics that was clearly commissioned by the liberals. Relatively few questions asked about the NDP and Horwath other than an interesting one asking me if I thought the NDP and Liberals were more or less similar to each other. A bunch of questions asking if Wynne is different than McGuinty and whether I see her as connected to the gas plant scandal, a few questions about the direction of the province and whether various issues are a reason to vote for or against the Liberals. One question was asking me if it's good for the province to have the same party in power federally and provincially, so get ready to potentially hear a lot about all the great things that are going to happen in the province now that Justin and Kathleen are working together. The most interesting part was all the attack stuff they tried out on Brown. Some of the things that they asked me to give reactions to were that he was an MP for the entirety of Harper's time in office, that he got a perfect score from some anti-abortion group, that he voted to re-open the the abortion debate (the question includes the helpful info that Harper himself didn't want the debate re-opened), the he voted against gay marriage, etc. There was also a question about whether I was more or less likely to support him given that he had changed some of his positions "since becoming Ontario PC leader". Oh, and there was a question asking me how I felt about the fact that Brown supports a carbon tax, which I was unaware of but actually think is much better than some idiotic cap and trade system, so amazingly this poll managed to make me like Patrick Brown just a tiny bit more than I did. My main take away here is that the Liberals aren't exactly worried about the NDP (and conitnue to view soft NDP voters as prime hunting ground) but they are pretty worried about Brown and right now their main angles of attack on him seem to be 1) he's socially conservative, 2) he has changed his positions since becoming leader 3) stephen harper Stephen Harper Stephen Harper STEPHEN HARPER So great news ikantski. I know you were tired of hearing about Mike Harris but from this point it's time for Mike to step aside (he only came up on one question in this survey, though I suppose it's a testament to your enduring legacy when you become so hated that voters are still being asked how they feel about you 20 years after you left office). The Liberals have a new conservative bogey man.
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I wonder if the stories about Patrick Brown repeatedly buying drinks for underage girls in bars will ever re-surface.
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infernal machines posted:I wonder if the stories about Patrick Brown repeatedly buying drinks for underage girls in bars will ever re-surface. My sense of how this works is that usually a story will stick around and become a problem for a politician if it somehow reinforces the negative perceptions or suspicions that voters' already have about a person. If the story doesn't really fit into any pre-existing narratives or perceptions then it's unlikely to have a lasting impact (obviously, over time, a trickle of similar stories or incidents will create a new narrative in the public mind. Arguably a lot of attack ads are just trying to take control of and accelerate or intensify this process, which otherwise happens naturally over time). I'd also note that there's very little concrete evidence suggesting that Canadians give a poo poo about the personal lives of politicians (I mean, once you know they are a politician what could possibly make them look worse?). Everybody thinks Rob Ford was hurt by his crack stuff but the most noticeable drop in his polling was when he started trying to close libraries and make cuts. Likewise nobody cared or even seems to remember when the Liberals leaked that story about Jack Layton going to a rub-and-tug. The only time in recent memory I can think of somebody being brought down by a sex or booze scandal was when Adam Giambrone left the Toronto mayoral race, and I think most observers agreed in retrospect that this was an over reaction by him and that the story wouldn't have damaged him as much as he seemed to think.
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is going to a rub and tug really worse than crack cocaine mastermind rob ford? Let's level with eachother here. Jack was doing social welfare for oppressed Eastern European women.
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Helsing posted:My sense of how this works is that usually a story will stick around and become a problem for a politician if it somehow reinforces the negative perceptions or suspicions that voters' already have about a person. If the story doesn't really fit into any pre-existing narratives or perceptions then it's unlikely to have a lasting impact (obviously, over time, a trickle of similar stories or incidents will create a new narrative in the public mind. Arguably a lot of attack ads are just trying to take control of and accelerate or intensify this process, which otherwise happens naturally over time). Considering who ended up winning that race, I think most observers have a point.
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PT6A posted:Yes? Where the gently caress did you grow up? Throughout my childhood no one had cars, but I grew up in a big city where everywhere is either walkeable or easier to reach through public transportation because there isn't any parking space anywhere. Only parents had cars.
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Helsing posted:So great news ikantski. I know you were tired of hearing about Mike Harris but from this point it's time for Mike to step aside (he only came up on one question in this survey, though I suppose it's a testament to your enduring legacy when you become so hated that voters are still being asked how they feel about you 20 years after you left office). The Liberals have a new conservative bogey man. Haha, thanks for sharing and I hope you salted the hell out of it. I'm glad they're afraid of Brown and surprised that it sounds like Wynne might run again, I still think she's going to resign before her term is up. Her approval ratings are tanked and the vitriol on her twitter and facebook makes me look downright reasonable. We were bound to get Harper Harper Harper whether we chose Brown or Flaherty's widow but Canadians have short memories and Harper might not seem so bad after 3 years of this guy. 
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Majuju posted:Gord Downie has terminal brain cancer, what's the status of physician-assisted suicide presently? Ow. My heart.  Bill C-14 is the one to keep an eye on. The Supreme Court approved physician-assisted suicide (PAS) but gave the Federal Government a year (with +6 months by request) to get legislation and the Criminal Code sorted out. The ideological battle behind the scenes is about eligibility. Both sides are almost unanimously a-okay with compassionate euthanasia, but disagree about the criteria. I stand in the middle, which annoys people on both sides. I know exactly what dying of Alzheimers looks like; I also know people who are suffering with disabilities and mental illness because our health care system is insufficient and effectively class-based. A whole bunch of things have been said but it comes down to "intolerable suffering," vs "intolerable suffering + end of life." I'm sure there are bible thumpers with opinions but they're not at policy wonk level. Bill C-14 posted:Eligibility for medical assistance in dying: tldr: He can afford a trip to Switzerland if he needs it. Canada's criteria will certainly apply in his situation but it might not be fast enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OKHwnkaU5Y I spent a few months in Luang Prabang and this was in heavy rotation at the only place with drinkable coffee.
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It's interesting how loving awful every Provincial Government is curretly, minus Notley maybe?
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Ikantski posted:We were bound to get Harper Harper Harper whether we chose Brown or Flaherty's widow but Canadians have short memories and Harper might not seem so bad after 3 years of this guy. 
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Ikantski posted:Haha, thanks for sharing and I hope you salted the hell out of it. I'm glad they're afraid of Brown and surprised that it sounds like Wynne might run again, I still think she's going to resign before her term is up. Her approval ratings are tanked and the vitriol on her twitter and facebook makes me look downright reasonable. Thanks for posting a pic your intolerant uncle forwarded to you.
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Ikantski posted:Haha, thanks for sharing and I hope you salted the hell out of it. I'm glad they're afraid of Brown and surprised that it sounds like Wynne might run again, I still think she's going to resign before her term is up. Her approval ratings are tanked and the vitriol on her twitter and facebook makes me look downright reasonable. Boy, it sure sucks we elected someone that puts on a cultural hat at an event????
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Justin Trudeau (J.T.) is going to Japan this week. Did you know that Japan has taxes? Taxes are bad! 
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MonsieurChoc posted:Throughout my childhood no one had cars, but I grew up in a big city where everywhere is either walkeable or easier to reach through public transportation because there isn't any parking space anywhere. Only parents had cars. Montreal, I assume? That's a special case because their transit system doesn't blow rear end. In Calgary, driving to school cut my commute by a solid half hour.
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