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Oxxidation posted:It doesn't. Deku just keeps trying to rush things by being so darned self-sacrificing all the time, and his lack of proper training/physical conditioning combined with OfA's incremental power gain is ripping his body apart. Yeah. All Might was extremely physically fit from the start, and easily got a handle on his power. That combined with him not immediately jumping into heroics resulted in things being rather different for him. Though, now I'm wondering; All Might was originally quirkless, but he also got into Yueii. Was he given One For All at a really young age as well, then? How long ago did that happen, given that the previous owner is implied to be Shigaraki's mother? Alternatively he made it into Yueii solely on being buff as hell and got OFA afterward, but I doubt that, amazing as it would be. Also he had to have at least gotten it before leaving Yueii, since Gran Torino became a teacher there specifically to train him because he inherited OFA (though that admittedly doesn't rule out him getting it after getting in). Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 21:53 on May 24, 2016 |
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Oxxidation posted:It doesn't. Deku just keeps trying to rush things by being so darned self-sacrificing all the time, and his lack of proper training/physical conditioning combined with OfA's incremental power gain is ripping his body apart. regardless the entire point is deku is learning to cope with it differently than all might had to.
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May 24, 2016 22:22
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it'll end up in a seinen manga once deku realises he needs to start taking steroids to get maximum power
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May 24, 2016 22:33
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Uraraka will die and Midoriya will make a deal with the devil so that they never met at the exam and he passed anyway somehow.
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May 24, 2016 22:57
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I wouldn't be surprised if Deku eventually got some kind of "super" form that let him use One for All more easily, but I doubt it'll be some big muscly form like All Might.
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May 24, 2016 23:21
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He will turn into a burly version of his goofy original costume in an ironic twist
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May 24, 2016 23:41
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Roland Jones posted:Yeah. All Might was extremely physically fit from the start, and easily got a handle on his power. That combined with him not immediately jumping into heroics resulted in things being rather different for him. All Might's original quirk was to transform into his muscle form unless I misunderstood.
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SpazmasterX posted:All Might's original quirk was to transform into his muscle form unless I misunderstood. All Might straight up tells Deku he used to be Quirkless, just like he was. A lot of people don't seem to get this, despite the manga flat out telling you at least three times as far as I remember, but All Might's buff form isn't some kind of Super Saiyan or Hulk type thing, All Might is just a really huge buff guy and always has been. Now, a few years back he got real hosed up by All for One, so now he is near-dead, but can still fake it when he has to.
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May 25, 2016 00:28
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all might is like the bizarro world version of letting oneself go
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Rohan Kishibe posted:All Might straight up tells Deku he used to be Quirkless, just like he was. no unless it was a translation error his "emaciated" form was stated as his true form, one for all makes him buff. (i assume his true form before getting hosed up was probably a bit more buff than that but his muscle form is some sort of trick of one for all) http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Boku-no-Hero-Academia/Vol-001-Ch-007-005--Volume-001-Omake?id=218790 Elfgames fucked around with this message at 01:06 on May 25, 2016 |
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May 25, 2016 01:03
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 It's super clear. All Might also goes on about wanting to be portrayed as a "natural born hero" a lot, for some reason. All Might has no quirk, but OfA was created with AfO passed on a compounding strength quirk to a person who already had a quirk to transfer quirks (which is pretty useless unless you have more than one quirk.)
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May 25, 2016 01:12
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If All Might was originally a twig he never would have mastered 14a so easily. The whole point is that extreme physical fitness and time are necessary to use 14a without breaking all your bones. Deku is tiny and he started out incredibly weak, so he has even more trouble.
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well all might was actually said to be a prodigy at understanding and using OFA so it's possible that the big biff body was a way he used the power to mitigate the blowback and i even said he was likely a bit more buff than he is currently but all might size is not his true form
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Elfgames posted:no unless it was a translation error his "emaciated" form was stated as his true form, one for all makes him buff. (i assume his true form before getting hosed up was probably a bit more buff than that but his muscle form is some sort of trick of one for all) It's not a translation error, it's a reading error. His emaciated form IS his true form, since he is now missing like half his organs and has been hosed up to the point where he should probably be dead. But what I'm saying, and what is clear in the manga, is that it's not like Toshinori was always some scrawny weakling and the only reason he is buff is because of One for All. The reason All Might is buff is because he worked out and is a giant and he never skipped leg day, he mastered One for All with little issue because he makes the Rock look like Steve Buscemi. Now he can fake it, returning to what he really looks like, One for All probably helps with this somehow, but who cares?
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i wish One For All was instead Once And For All so he could finally lay this dumb argument to rest
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This does not look like a scrawny dude.ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Buff Might.
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Roland Jones posted:Yeah. All Might was extremely physically fit from the start, and easily got a handle on his power. That combined with him not immediately jumping into heroics resulted in things being rather different for him. It's probably a similar story to Deku, only All Might realized from the start that he was going to have to work his rear end off if he was going to be a hero without a quirk. So he probably started out in super shape to start with and was dealing with an inheritance one order of magnitude less than Deku is now. If his teacher wasn't on deaths door when she transfered One For All to him, he probably got both a more gradual power bump and better instruction. All Might being a lovely instructor is also a running element. All Might probably didn't just go all in on every use immediately like Deku either. Given he was already built like The Rock and seems to have had more than 3 hours to get used to One For All before his first trial, he probably started out with increasing weight to move until he got the hang of it. Deku on the other hand has spent the entire manga just doing emergency cram sessions, so of course he goes all out from the start.
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Actually All Might was probably just a natural at it. It's why he took to the power so easily and why he has so much trouble understanding Deku's problems.
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May 25, 2016 02:08
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All Might be terrible at teaching Deku how to use 14a, but he was an expert when it came to planning Deku's workout routine. I figure that he was a fitness nut in his youth.
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Gyges posted:It's probably a similar story to Deku, only All Might realized from the start that he was going to have to work his rear end off if he was going to be a hero without a quirk. So he probably started out in super shape to start with and was dealing with an inheritance one order of magnitude less than Deku is now. His predecessor might have been dying when she passed it, it's hard to say. I think Gran Torino taught him because she was dead at that point, at least, and he was familiar with OFA because the two were good friends. (Which... Maybe it was Shigaraki's grandmother who had OFA, not his mother, given the possible time scale here. That's a considerably younger-looking Gran Torino in the flashback where he's training All Might, at least.) Either way, though, he definitely had far longer before he started heroing with his power. Like I said, we know that, at the latest, he got OFA in high school. It's possible he got it even sooner. Meanwhile, his "debut", that video Deku obsessed over? That looked like an adult All Might. There were years between him getting the power and him using it actively, and given his first feat with it (rescuing hundreds of people from a disaster), he definitely had it mastered by that point. It's how he was able to make such a big impact; out of nowhere, he starting achieving veritable miracles. But yes, it was also stated by Gran Torino that he was just fit as hell even before all that, and that he took to the power naturally despite being quirkless. That's why he's so bad at teaching Deku how to control it; he isn't able to help Deku as much because he himself never faced those hardships.
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Serious Frolicking posted:All Might be terrible at teaching Deku how to use 14a, but he was an expert when it came to planning Deku's workout routine. I figure that he was a fitness nut in his youth. That makes a surprising amount of sense, actually.
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Roland Jones posted:His predecessor might have been dying when she passed it, it's hard to say. I think Gran Torino taught him because she was dead at that point, at least, and he was familiar with OFA because the two were good friends. (Which... Maybe it was Shigaraki's grandmother who had OFA, not his mother, given the possible time scale here. That's a considerably younger-looking Gran Torino in the flashback where he's training All Might, at least.) Either way, though, he definitely had far longer before he started heroing with his power. Of course... that's why her name is Nana....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ODA THE GOD. DOES IT AGAIN.
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As for Deku's full cowl being some different way of using OfA than the way All Might uses it, I didn't get that impression at all. If anything, the full cowl thing is Deku attempting to use it in the same way All Might does, through applying the power throughout his entire body at a level he can withstand.Space-Bird posted:Obligation Chocolates are real though, not just an anime thing. Yeah you can have characters in anime be 'tsundere' and be like 'they're only obligation chocolates , baka!" or whatever. I think it's just a silly gag. I know they're a real thing, but "girl actually liking a guy and telling him chocolates are just obligation chocolates out of shyness and/or being tsundere" is also definitely a trope that exists and what is being referenced in that image. Otherwise it makes no sense for the girl in that picture to be throwing them at him while looking the other way.
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yea I don't think it's different. the full cowl is just him using one for all on his entire body; it has a name for deku because of course it would. the different look is just to let you, the reader, know it's in effect. all might wouldn't need that since he just beefs up
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By the way, when did it start being called Full Cowl? I missed the transition. I guess it was after the Sports Festival? The first time I recall the terminology was around the Stain arc.
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All Might inflating and shrinking doesn't really jive with anything else we know about 14a. Maybe All Might learned how to use it in some less than obvious ways?
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Jintor posted:By the way, when did it start being called Full Cowl? I missed the transition. I guess it was after the Sports Festival? The first time I recall the terminology was around the Stain arc. Chapter 49. He starts using it full body during the training arc, which is right before the Stain arc. 
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Yeah, in the festival he's still using it localized, on-and-off, hence him doing things like breaking his fingers to attack in his fight with Todoroki.
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All Might being a fitness buff would make sense if he just immediately started doing the full cowl thing that Deku only figured out after multiple grisly compound fractures. Deku thinks punch, and puts all of the power into throwing a punch. All Might thinks punch and applies the power throughout his body because he realizes that a good punch requires more than just your fist and shoulder. After Deku figures out full cowl, the only real injuries he's caused himself is from going having to go beyond his limits due to circumstances. I forget, do we know if his base full cowl has increased from 5% power since he figured it out?
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Hang on, did I miss something? When was it stated that the person who gave 14A to All Might was a lady? Are we just now assuming that because of that one hypothetical panel?
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:Hang on, did I miss something? When was it stated that the person who gave 14A to All Might was a lady? Are we just now assuming that because of that one hypothetical panel? All For One mentioned the previous holder's name in the latest chapter. "Shimura Nana". That implies two things:
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Hm. I've been so busy moving ... I honestly can't even remember what happened in the last chapter except for the one shot of All Might's weakened hand smooshed on AF1's face. I'll have to reread most of the stuff I've read this week. Back to boxes! Thanks.
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Like, half of humanity consists of ladies and there's a lot of female super heroes as demonstrated alreay, it's highly implausible statistically that no prior OfA holder was a woman I'm just excited we might actually get to see one in action (through flashbacks).
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HenryEx posted:Like, half of humanity consists of ladies and there's a lot of female super heroes as demonstrated alreay, it's highly implausible statistically that no prior OfA holder was a woman That's very statistically plausible given that it is a comic book world.
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Yes, but I saw people talking about the person who gave it to all might seeming so certain about it, which confused me and my malfunctioning memory.
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Being a fitness nut is also a good idea for anyone who has OfA, it's a strength compounding ability, so what you put into it affects what the next in line gets out of it. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the quirk is usually passed on to the physically minded because of this.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:This does not look like a scrawny dude. He was pretty clearly buff, but getting his chest carved out has hosed him up pretty big. I thought that was kind of obvious?
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Roland Jones posted:Yeah, in the festival he's still using it localized, on-and-off, hence him doing things like breaking his fingers to attack in his fight with Todoroki. Deku needs to kick more. It seems to be effective. 
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I feel like, if All-Might had told Deku to "figure it out" instead of to "clench your rear end and yell smash" Deku might be doing better. Of course, without that smash, he might not have gotten past the hero trial thing in the first place.
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HenryEx posted:i wish One For All was instead Once And For All so he could finally lay this dumb argument to rest made me think of this 
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