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xylo posted:I don't know if you've noticed, but we've been releasing a lot of open source software as of late. Everything from ASP to .net framework. Oh yes absolutely and I'm a huge fan of it. In relation to that Ars article I was wondering if it's time to open source the core parts like core win, server mini and at least the other parts that are not being charged for. W10 IOT is not for sale so why not open source it and the drivers needed for ARM MS can still can keep it licensed like the Unreal Engine model if they want. I could see moving in this direction with more and more platforms.
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I still have no loving clue what the error was with store apps before. But I did figure out how to fix it. Take out the SD card while installing apps. Why does it work? 
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Stick100 posted:Oh yes absolutely and I'm a huge fan of it. In relation to that Ars article I was wondering if it's time to open source the core parts like core win, server mini and at least the other parts that are not being charged for.
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May 21, 2016 20:38
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So what's a good cheap option to try out the current iterations of Windows Phone. I noodled with a 520 a couple years back and enjoyed it. What's much different OS wise? As much as I've enjoyed purestrain Android on a n5x I'm always down for trying something new, especially if it can tie into a toy I've wanted for a while the MS Band 2...
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May 22, 2016 08:00
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If you're in America, the 640 is outrageously good value.
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Are there any GPS apps that can have multiple waypoints? I need to have 19 stops and don't want to program every address once I get to each stop.
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May 23, 2016 15:26
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wookieepelt posted:Are there any GPS apps that can have multiple waypoints? I need to have 19 stops and don't want to program every address once I get to each stop. Google Maps on Android can. Maybe 3rd party on WP?
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May 23, 2016 19:05
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The maps app stacks them as pins on the map, I assume you can just press the next one and hit directions and it will go to the next one.
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May 23, 2016 23:17
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How does that work? I'm on the latest fast build version and I haven't found anything for multiple destinations.
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May 24, 2016 02:33
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Every new point I search adds another marker to the map, and with directions selected it draws a line between them, so you can see a continuous path. I presume for it to provide active navigation you need to tap the next point and hit 'directions' to start the next leg of the journey, but it draws it all on the map at least.
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May 24, 2016 09:49
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xylo posted:You're saying we should open source stuff that we don't charge for (one core etc) but what you're not understanding is that we do charge for that code elsewhere -- just not that specific sku. It's hard for people to believe/understand, but it all is quite literally the same code/same source repro. The only pieces that may be excluded from sku to sku are stuff that just doesn't run alone at all and is kind of worthless by itself. In many cases in those pieces share much of the same code. Yes I know that MS charge for that in other SKUs I'm suggesting open sourcing the skeleton possibly under a restrictive license but still charging for the UI portion. In the same way as OS X is a closed source on top of an open source core. Or opening it up more like AOSP/Google Play apps. I personally think we've crossed over where maintaining desktop OS dominance is more important than the licensing revenue from the OS. But of course I have no ideas on the numbers and it's just a pure opinion. Since W10 IOT and W10M look DOA we need source to help shepard them along. I personally prefer the Windows OS and don't want to see it retreat into irrelevancy with Chrome Android and various Linux/Docker taking over.
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May 24, 2016 15:30
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I rolled my 640 back to 8.1 to see if AT&T had finally gotten around to approving the Windows 10 upgrade (they haven't). Man it's crazy how much faster 8.1 is on this device. 
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Maneki Neko posted:I rolled my 640 back to 8.1 to see if AT&T had finally gotten around to approving the Windows 10 upgrade (they haven't). Man it's crazy how much faster 8.1 is on this device. I'm really afraid that WP10 kills my 640XL's performance. On my 925 is unusable and if I want to actually use the phone and not mess with it I have to roll back to 8.1. My contract expires on September and I just want to be able to use 10 without being it sluggish.
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News are in Finland that Lumias are dead, MS is shutting down phone division and laying off everyone from ex-Nokia except skeleton crew that can handle warranty cases are long as they have to.
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May 25, 2016 09:49
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Stubb Dogg posted:News are in Finland that Lumias are dead, MS is shutting down phone division and laying off everyone from ex-Nokia except skeleton crew that can handle warranty cases are long as they have to.
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May 25, 2016 14:34
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wookieepelt posted:http://windowscentral.com/microsoft-restructuring-its-smartphone-business-will-cut-1850-jobs That quoted memo pretty frankly implies that they're done. The continued development of Windows 10 Mobile is a little bit perplexing though.
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Naffer posted:That quoted memo pretty frankly implies that they're done. The continued development of Windows 10 Mobile is a little bit perplexing though. I'm not sure. It sounds like the Lumia team is done. But the Surface team is supposedly working on a phone. So they'll probably keep developing mobile for that. I think the eventual goal with continuum is to run desktop apps on a phone, either through virtualization or an x86 processor. I could be wrong, but it seems like not having a mobile option would be a disaster for MS as a whole as that's where the money is now.
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Are there even x86 CPUs that would work in a form factor any more, now that intel is out?
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I'm impressed that they're actually, officially, giving up. I assumed that WP would continue to limp along irrelevantly for a few more years. Instead they're putting it down. Nice job totally wasting $8 billion dollars, Microsoft. I believe this is now the largest mobile mismanagement story to date, beating former record holder Google for their botched Motorola Mobility strategy.
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May 25, 2016 16:05
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MrBond posted:Are there even x86 CPUs that would work in a form factor any more, now that intel is out? Is Hololens atom powered? I wonder if they're keeping Windows 10 Mobile around just because they need windows on ARM since with Intel's exit the prospects for x86 code on small devices has dried up.
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May 25, 2016 16:05
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"We will continue to update and support our current Lumia and OEM partner phones, and develop great new devices." I mean, yeah, as was already posted this is a pretty substantial rout, but all the pieces of information we have so far is pretty different from: Factor Mystic posted:I assumed that WP would continue to limp along irrelevantly for a few more years. Instead they're putting it down.
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May 25, 2016 16:20
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Naffer posted:Is Hololens atom powered? It is. Factor Mystic posted:I'm impressed that they're actually, officially, giving up. The only surprising thing I got out of that memo (Beyond actually getting it in a real Microsoft email account and not having to read it leaked on the Internet) was that there were still people left to be laid off. But everything else in it seemed pretty obvious as to where they were heading to (A very slim hardware line, focus on enterprise, etc.). It's not dead. Hell, beyond the lay offs (which really do suck, and man was that Nokia deal was bad ) Windows 10 Mobile is in the same state it was in yesterday: Irrelevant, but still living.As for Microsoft's Mobile efforts, remember that they just bought a major mobile app development company that's very experienced in handling cross platform development across many platforms and device types. That could lead to many interesting things in the future.
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Killing off the Lumia brand and presumably folding what few staff they need into their existing hardware team (namely Surface) seems like a given. But most people equate Windows Phone as being Lumia, and announcing the end of Nokia and Lumia without simultaneously unveiling its successor is really dumb and is the reason everyone is now saying "guess Windows Phone is completely loving dead!". Just give us a concrete confirmation of new hardware and a brand name, Microsoft. Anything. This isn't difficult.
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Factor Mystic posted:beating former record holder Google for their botched Motorola Mobility strategy. Actually I'm not sure Motorola was bad for Google. They got patents out of it, they also got the OEM partners to stop packing crapware/massive OS reworks on devices. Of course they haven't yet been able to get the carriers to stop packing crapware but that's a different issue.
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Stick100 posted:Actually I'm not sure Motorola was bad for Google. They got patents out of it, they also got the OEM partners to stop packing crapware/massive OS reworks on devices. Of course they haven't yet been able to get the carriers to stop packing crapware but that's a different issue. They got useless patents out of it, and it was burning money. But they did produce good phones while they were with Google, and probably are gonna make eh ones with Lenovo. Still better than the Nokia deal
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Also better than the Danger deal.
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Drastic Actions posted:Windows 10 Mobile is in the same state it was in yesterday: Irrelevant, but still living. With W10M (ARM) support reduced, IoT free, Win ARM on tablets dead what's the revenue incentive to support Win10 on ARM? It makes sense to support UWP esp where it's successful x86 Desktop/ x86 Xbox but I'm not sure MS will want to keep making Windows on ARM when there is no revenue incentive or future plan to make any money on Win10 ARM.
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That was precisely my argument when all we knew was that Microsoft was getting rid of Lumia entirely, like two weeks ago. The announcements since all suggest that they very much mean to keep making phones though, so extreme irrelevance in the market-place seems likely to remain the main issue; they have to maintain the software either way as long as they commit to keep at least one phone model in the market. Besides, the maintanence costs are likely not that great, the initial investment into ARM may have been unwise, but it was already paid for.
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Stick100 posted:Actually I'm not sure Motorola was bad for Google. They got patents out of it, they also got the OEM partners to stop packing crapware/massive OS reworks on devices. Of course they haven't yet been able to get the carriers to stop packing crapware but that's a different issue. No, Google really screwed up with it. Instead of going in on a patent pool with Microsoft, Apple, and others, they overpay for it & then go on the patent lawsuit offensive but proceed to lose those cases. Then they turn around and unload it. Total screw up.
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Has anyone done a good job with this? Maybe Palm with Handspring back in the treo days? Certainly not defending what Microsoft has done, but it seems like there's a long history of people making bad mobile acquisitions (HP with WebOS, Danger, Motorola, etc).
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May 25, 2016 18:54
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Factor Mystic posted:No, Google really screwed up with it. Instead of going in on a patent pool with Microsoft, Apple, and others, they overpay for it & then go on the patent lawsuit offensive but proceed to lose those cases. Then they turn around and unload it. Total screw up. There were rumors that moto was about to turn its patent lawsuit guns on other android manufacturers. If true, there's an unknown value for Google buying them up to stop that before it got off the ground. Drastic Actions posted:It is. Makes me wonder if Hololens will also end up orphaned like Google Glass did at release - running a cpu the manufacturer expressly does not wish to support any more.
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MrBond posted:Makes me wonder if Hololens will also end up orphaned like Google Glass did at release - running a cpu the manufacturer expressly does not wish to support any more. Intel is still making low power CPUs that (I think) would work with it. Unless Intel just stopped making CPUs it should be fine.
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Yeah, I think Intel is abandoning the Atom tier entirely, but the Core series goes down to 3.8W already, and likely Intel will push that down a bit further now that they no longer intend to make a phone-dedicated tier.
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MrBond posted:There were rumors that moto was about to turn its patent lawsuit guns on other android manufacturers. If true, there's an unknown value for Google buying them up to stop that before it got off the ground. mmmmm no I don't think so. After all, the other bidders I mentioned were getting them for defense (hence the collaborative pooled ownership), a strategy which Google rejected. If you're saying at least they got protection even if the offense failed, well okay I guess but they could have achieved that goal for a lot less wasted money and wasted time. In related Moto news, Lenovo: Motorola acquisition 'did not meet expectations'. Looks like nobody's mobile hw oem purchase has been meeting expectations recently.
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Factor Mystic posted:In related Moto news, Lenovo: Motorola acquisition 'did not meet expectations'. Looks like nobody's mobile hw oem purchase has been meeting expectations recently. Can't say I'm surprised no one is making any profit except Samsung and Apple. A few businesses are willing to run units at a loss to just stay relevant. Buying into mobile hardware with the intent to make revenue seems impossible right now.
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May 26, 2016 17:42
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I suddenly have a new awful app and it a massive improvement over the old one. Excellent work. (posted from the new app)
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May 27, 2016 09:45
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Stick100 posted:Can't say I'm surprised no one is making any profit except Samsung and Apple. A few businesses are willing to run units at a loss to just stay relevant. Buying into mobile hardware with the intent to make revenue seems impossible right now.  Samsung isn't making money on its smartphone division
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I would be surprised if they did considering the insane amount of devices they release every year instead of having just 4-5 devices total.
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The updated Awful app looks great, the posting interface in particular is much better, but it doesn't seem to remember my place on a page when it loses focus (windows button, power button, etc). It always puts me back at the top of the page. It's faking me out every time.
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