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ToastyPotato posted:I didn't completely hate Lincoln, but I didn't like him either. I was happy it was him who died ultimately, because I cared the least about it. Losing Ward was a much bigger loss for the series. Agreed. I've never seen the actor who played Ward in anything before, but season 2 Ward is one of the best MCU villains. The season 2 AoS finale is still one of my favorite comics TV episodes. The season 3 finale was pretty "meh," but the final scene with Ward and Lincoln was great.
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I did enjoy the Lincoln/Hive hang-out session in the back of the quinjet as they waited for the nuke to blow. It was unexpected just how low-key and "welp, sucks for us, but hey, whatchagonna do" it was. The hot potato necklace was nicely underplayed as it was handed off from person to person, too. Good finale, AoS!
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redbackground posted:I did enjoy the Lincoln/Hive hang-out session in the back of the quinjet as they waited for the nuke to blow. It was unexpected just how low-key and "welp, sucks for us, but hey, whatchagonna do" it was. I was actually refreshing that once his plan was hosed Hive didn't just snap Lincoln's neck in a fit of rage. Him accepting his fate was oddly human.
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May 24, 2016 14:47
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JT Smiley posted:I was actually refreshing that once his plan was hosed Hive didn't just snap Lincoln's neck in a fit of rage. Him accepting his fate was oddly human. Yeah it was nice and in character - He really just wanted to control the world and "make it a better place", of course his plan was psychotic but the motivation was there. Killing Lincoln in rage would have been out of character.
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May 24, 2016 15:02
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Ultimately I liked that, it was a reminder that once upon a time Hive was just some random dude trying to make it to 30 like everybody else. It's weird how AoS season 3 tried to weaksauce pull some Civil War tie-in stuff with the inhumans but the overall villain plot ended up being almost identical to the new X-Men movie as well. Hive seems essentially like a lower-budget Apocalypse (even if I thought his squid head was more fun than the movie Apocalypse getup).
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Electromax posted:It's weird how AoS season 3 tried to weaksauce pull some Civil War tie-in stuff with the inhumans but the overall villain plot ended up being almost identical to the new X-Men movie as well. Hive seems essentially like a lower-budget Apocalypse (even if I thought his squid head was more fun than the movie Apocalypse getup). That episode was such a pace killer. The secret plot to get Lash to Hive using Lincoln had some pay off though which was nice, but Talbot just espousing how the Accords relate to AoS was really forced.
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May 24, 2016 18:26
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The entire thing worked because it was supposed to trick you, and actually worked effectively IMO, into actually giving you a reason why both the viewer and Daisy herself would believe Lincoln would have a sudden and (if played straight really dumb) change of heart in leaving after flat out telling her before he would never leave with her while she was under Hive's control. Which is what allowed them to get Hive's location and send in Lash because they knew he would meet Lincoln. Plus I dunno if what essentially amounts to flavor text for "Talbot, government overseer and Governmental face of the secret SHIELD operation wants to see what we've been doing" is really forcing anything. That exact same episode could air replacing "The Accords" with a Presidential order due to concerns about security being comprimised or whatever something like *We detected Daisy quaking the poo poo out of the base on our seismographs*. Without a beat being loss, it being because of the Accords is just good brand synergy. Dexo fucked around with this message at 18:58 on May 24, 2016 |
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May 24, 2016 18:53
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Gotham's season finale was really dragged down by bringing Jada Pinkett Smith back because absolutely nothing interesting ever happens with her character. She especially comes across almost like a bad fan fiction-y character because she's this whole original character do not steal who is tougher than all the established comic book characters. Also it looks like Gotham season 3 is doing a Hush story.
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May 25, 2016 00:44
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muscles like this? posted:Also it looks like Gotham season 3 is doing a Hush story. Isn't Bruce like 12 in this show?
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May 25, 2016 01:28
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Retro Futurist posted:Isn't Bruce like 12 in this show? Hush is Doogie Howser.
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May 25, 2016 01:39
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Retro Futurist posted:Isn't Bruce like 12 in this show? Well the could do Hush's origins as his parent's were also killed when he was Bruce's age. But seeing that this is Gotham chances are he is an adult with a grudge against Bruce for some stupid reason.
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May 25, 2016 01:50
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Ha Flash season 3 is straight up going to be Flashpoint I can't wait. The scene of Barry dying straight out of COIE was cool though.
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May 25, 2016 06:01
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I like the DC TV is doing the event that started the New 52 right as DC Comics disavows it I bet this is how they bring Supergirl into continuity
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After an entire season of having Barry make terrible decisions and be a whiny jerk I thought that the show was steering him in the right direction and having him learn from his mistakes and not be such a jerk, especially with the final battle with Zoom, but nope. He had to go and gently caress up all over again in the end. I am really convinced that the writers/showrunners of the show actively love the supporting cast, and actively hate the character Barry Allen.
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Dacap posted:I like the DC TV is doing the event that started the New 52 right as DC Comics disavows it I bet this is how they bring Supergirl into continuity They're gonna not do it to be stubborn.
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May 25, 2016 18:27
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The whole time remnant think just doesn't sit right with me. How does that work? Which Barry died?
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Madkal posted:I am really convinced that the writers/showrunners of the show actively love the supporting cast, and actively hate the character Barry Allen.
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May 25, 2016 20:35
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Barry, Zoom's race is just a bullshit cover to siphon your Speedforce energy to power a bomb. Well, there's only one way to solve this: I'm going to race him. LITERALLY THE ENTIRE REST OF THE REGULAR CAST: No, you loving moron! It can't be unintentional at this point anymore. They want Barry to be retarded.
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May 25, 2016 23:21
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omg chael crash posted:The whole time remnant think just doesn't sit right with me. How does that work? Which Barry died? He went back in time to when he was running and then the other one didn't go back in time. So there was a duplicate Flash. Madkal posted:Well the could do Hush's origins as his parent's were also killed when he was Bruce's age. But seeing that this is Gotham chances are he is an adult with a grudge against Bruce for some stupid reason. It's mainly an idea because during the Arkham escape there was a duplicate Bruce.
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May 25, 2016 23:25
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muscles like this? posted:He went back in time to when he was running and then the other one didn't go back in time. So there was a duplicate Flash. I hope they put a stop to this with season 3 or else there's nothing to stop Barry from grabbing Iris, running back in time a minute and having a Remnant Iris running around as well. Or Wally, or Joe or whomever.
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Rhyno posted:I hope they put a stop to this with season 3 or else there's nothing to stop Barry from grabbing Iris, running back in time a minute and having a Remnant Iris running around as well. Or Wally, or Joe or whomever. He hasn't been shown to be able to take anyone back through time with him.
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May 25, 2016 23:53
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Also, there's time wraiths.
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Yeah literally the only reason. Barry wasn't taken was because they wanted Zoom waaaaaay more.
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Aphrodite posted:Also, there's time wraiths. Yeah, the only reason Zoom was able to get around it was because he was constantly killing the duplicates.
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And reverse carefully did it in a way so as not to create duplicates. As much as I didn't like what the season was doing, the concepts it introduced were actually surpassingly consistent in how they worked, except for whether zoom could freely travel between the worlds or not.
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omg chael crash posted:The whole time remnant think just doesn't sit right with me. How does that work? Which Barry died? Imagine 4 Flashes on the edge of a cliff... No but really, so Barry is running around the circle-thingy and time travels like 1 second back in time. There are now 2 Barrys (Barries?) running around the circle thingy with Zoom: the time traveler (Barry A for this argument) and the other, "present" Barry (Barry B). B runs off track and frees Joe, and fights Zoom, while A Crisis-es himself into dust stopping the machine. It doesn't cause a paradox because A is technically from the future, and also because this is comics don't think about it too much. But really (I know it's aired but I haven't watched it yet) I hope the finale of Arrow has Dahrk be successful and the world get nuked but at the last second they cut to the end of Flash and the season premiere is an alternate reality 2-parter where Barry and *i don't actually want this. okay maybe a teensy bit
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TwoPair posted:Imagine 4 Flashes on the edge of a cliff... Preditcably, the finale of Arrow was no where near as interesting as that.
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Man, what the hell happened to the Flash? Even though season one had tons of issues, it still managed to be a fun show about an optimistic young hero. Now he's a total sad sack who needs constant motivational speeches just to get through an episode and makes the dumbest choices possible all the time. It doesn't help that Zoom is such a massive step down from Reverse Flash. Nothing about him made sense and just got worse as the season went on. Don't even get me started on time revenants....
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JT Smiley posted:Man, what the hell happened to the Flash? Even though season one had tons of issues, it still managed to be a fun show about an optimistic young hero. Now he's a total sad sack who needs constant motivational speeches just to get through an episode and makes the dumbest choices possible all the time. It doesn't help that Zoom is such a massive step down from Reverse Flash. Nothing about him made sense and just got worse as the season went on. What's even better is how the press for the show constantly play up Barry's optimism, even up until last week. And now DC comics is all about bringing back optimism and hope to its worlds, but Flash this season has been about how much Barry can unhappy and loving up.
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ToastyPotato posted:What's even better is how the press for the show constantly play up Barry's optimism, even up until last week. And now DC comics is all about bringing back optimism and hope to its worlds, but Flash this season has been about how much Barry can unhappy and loving up. I can't wait for season three when Barry gets mentored by another evil speedster in disuse that murders one of his parents all while trying to juggle his relationship with Iris.
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A fun side effect of the Arrow finale is complete and total nuclear disarmament for the entire world. I mean, the show isn't going to talk about that going forward, because it's not that kind of show, and I doubt any other CWverse show that wants to use one as a threat is going to pay any attention to it, but it's fun to think about.
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JT Smiley posted:I can't wait for season three when Barry gets mentored by another evil speedster in disuse that murders one of his parents all while trying to juggle his relationship with Iris. I forget whether it was here or some other forum/site but someone pointed out one of the big problems with the Flash as a show is that the Flash is such an inherently overpowered hero that another speedster is almost necessary to fight him. I mean, they've got the Rogues established I suppose, but none of them seem like season long threats, plus they wrote Cold and Heatwave off the show for time travel adventures.
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TwoPair posted:I forget whether it was here or some other forum/site but someone pointed out one of the big problems with the Flash as a show is that the Flash is such an inherently overpowered hero that another speedster is almost necessary to fight him. I mean, they've got the Rogues established I suppose, but none of them seem like season long threats, plus they wrote Cold and Heatwave off the show for time travel adventures. Wentworth Miller is back next year, I believe. Also that was a much better way to keep Shipp on in his recurring role than just sticking him on a bus. From what little he saw him it seems like they are going to make him Jay Garrick as gently caress, he sounded like a longshoreman.
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zoux posted:From what little he saw him it seems like they are going to make him Jay Garrick as gently caress, he sounded like a longshoreman. It was awesome.
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Yeah, you can see how a lot of the choices they made this season were building to that particular end point but I guess the question people have to ask is does it justify the means.
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I quite liked the Arrow season finale as it seemed a bit like house cleaning. This season, for all the meandering that is typical of a network show, was quite fun though the island stuff was probably the worst it's ever been in 4 seasons. I wasn't really sold on the whole magic thing in Arrow (he just doesn't seem like a hero that should be dealing with magic and it really shows when they tried to shoehorn it into the flashbacks), but Dahrk was a fun enough villain, and as much as I hated that they used the name "Anarky" for the second antagonist I really like when villains fight and gently caress up each other's plans. As with Anarky, he turned into a bit of a Joker rip-off, and now that Ollie is mayor a more comic-literal version of Anarky would have made for a great foil for Ollie. He wouldn't need to be the main bad, or even a villain really, but just a misguided youth unhappy with the system. Anyway, Arrow had a much stronger season than the previous season, while Flash was a lot weaker. It's kind of the reverse of last year.
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You can kind of see how the base idea of this season of the Flash was pretty classic Flash. Zoom is addicted to speed. He creates a drug, but that doesn't work well enough. So he travels to Earth 3 and kidnaps Jay Garrick to steal his. That doesn't work either, but coincidentally he sees Barry close the breach and now knows there's another Flash out there. He poses as Jay to trick them into doing his work for him, while as Zoom he sends metahumans after Barry so he can improve his abilities. His ultimate goal is to destroy the multiverse to remain the fastest man alive. That's been done about 17 different times in the comics. Maybe Flash needs to do 2 arcs a season like SHIELD does or something, reduce the filler.
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Madkal posted:It's kind of the reverse of last year. C'mon man you just gonna say it like that?
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zoux posted:Wentworth Miller is back next year, I believe. Hopefully Earth-3 has an Allen Scott to team up with its Jay Garrick. I went back and watched the post Laurel Death episodes of Arrow, and I'm glad I did. It seemed like they went back to earlier relationships. Like they remembered that Felicity was a fun character, so they had her be pretty amusing in the casino and throughout the finale few episodes. There was pretty much zero relationship drama, and Digg did what needed to be done, put down his brother, becuase that was just getting annoying. Also glad they didn't set up any serious story hooks for next season. Obviously Mayor Ollie is going to be a major story for next season, but there isn't "Oh we defeated Darkh, but now we have to go out and defeat X".
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