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Lime Tonics posted:Good to know the US government has us all beat on this. Pharmaceutical labs aren't much different. Lab instruments communicate via serial port and no new hardware will have them. Serial to USB cables don't work very well either. Also once a lab has a testing environment in place they will never change it. Change means at least two years of regulatory planning. About two years ago I took an after hours call to fix some software. When I connected to the server I was presented with the Windows Server 2000 login prompt.
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8 track betamax posted:Those YOU WILL things from the 90's looks so cool and neat.......it's weird how quickly it became mundane and depressing. Arthur C. Clark predicts the wide use of the Internet in 1974. I was about that kid's age then. 
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Lime Tonics posted:Good to know the US government has us all beat on this. A lot of the government's outdated tech is because of how long it takes to try and get existing regulations and contracts changed; a big part of why the Affordable Care Act insurance site was such a disaster was because the department that was handling it had signed their IT contract in the mid-00s and a team that supposed to be servicing one government institution was suddenly responsible for making a website that had to service tens of millions of people. Well, that and funding. America's apathy towards paying to maintain and upgrade it's infrastructure is in no way limited to its computers.
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martin its cool ur mom is on SA with u and tony too sorry im here or whatever but some of ur members take fiction literally and also embellish situations into guilt trip murders if i hurt anyone or caused any damage im sorry but looking @ the past i cant see much i think most of you are rapists to some degree much worse than prearrange sexual encounters (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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jesus loving christ
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penis man posted:martin its cool ur mom is on SA with u and tony too sorry im here or whatever but some of ur members take fiction literally and also embellish situations into guilt trip murders https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzgKUCYVhl0
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I remember wrapping my 14.4kbps external modem in a towel so my parents wouldn't hear me dialing the Shadows Lair BBS back when we lived in Memphis circa 1993 It's me I'm the computer relic All flirting with girls via ASCII roses and making plans to meet them at an arcade in the mall, back when knowing someone "from the Internet" wasn't even a weird thing, it was downright unheard of
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wyntyr posted:I remember wrapping my 14.4kbps external modem in a towel so my parents wouldn't hear me dialing the Shadows Lair BBS back when we lived in Memphis circa 1993 here, have an ascii rose: @}}>----- 
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Are your children having sex via the internet? If you see these in your child's chat logs, they are: ILYA = I Love Your Anus LMAO = Lick My Anus Off LOL = Lucifer Our Lord ASL = Anal Sex Laureate WTF = We Totally gently caress BRB = Big Round Butts
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They call it "Cheesing" because it's Fon-To-Do. South Park absolutely nailed moral panics with that episode.
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Casimir Radon posted:South Park Speaking of relics
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Guy Mann posted:Speaking of relics
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wyntyr posted:I remember wrapping my 14.4kbps external modem in a towel so my parents wouldn't hear me dialing the Shadows Lair BBS back when we lived in Memphis circa 1993 M0 or L0
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wyntyr posted:I remember wrapping my 14.4kbps external modem in a towel so my parents wouldn't hear me dialing the Shadows Lair BBS back when we lived in Memphis circa 1993 Our 56kbps modem had a headphone jack, so I just plugged in a spare pair from my discman. I've never understood why it had that feature.
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Light Gun Man posted:Assembly eh? So all those Sonic the Hedgehog rom hackers can probably snag government jobs! The whole 'gotta go fast' bit wouldn't really mesh well with the government status quo!
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Just to be clear, assembly language isn't necessarily ancient, people still write in it when they are doing performance critical stuff on whatever modern hardware they are using. It's generally the least portable (to different types of computer) language though.Bonzo posted:Pharmaceutical labs aren't much different. Lab instruments communicate via serial port and no new hardware will have them. Serial to USB cables don't work very well either. Also once a lab has a testing environment in place they will never change it. Change means at least two years of regulatory planning. About two years ago I took an after hours call to fix some software. When I connected to the server I was presented with the Windows Server 2000 login prompt. Windows Server 2000 is pretty modern for lab equipment. My dad was telling me about some equipment which only a few years ago they had replaced, but they wanted to keep the old one too which only worked with a Windows 3.1 machine 
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Buttcoin purse posted:Windows Server 2000 is pretty modern for lab equipment. My dad was telling me about some equipment which only a few years ago they had replaced, but they wanted to keep the old one too which only worked with a Windows 3.1 machine I work with veterinary software and we're the same way. Every other week I have someone telling me "all I see is Network Neighborhood" over the phone and work with anything from DOS to Win 2000 all the time. I really don't mind it because I love stuff of that era, but mannnnnn doing it from memory or random GIS screenshots can be tough without actually seeing it. You can still get OK motherboards with serial ports which nobody realizes and like the other dude said mannnnn do I hate dealing with serial to usb adapters.
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Buttcoin purse posted:Just to be clear, assembly language isn't necessarily ancient, people still write in it when they are doing performance critical stuff on whatever modern hardware they are using. It's generally the least portable (to different types of computer) language though. Yeah, in academic labs you see this a lot. The problem is that the actual instrument may work fine, like the optics or whatever haven't really improved in 20 years. A lot of the time it would take a Herculean effort to upgrade the pc/software and have it work right, and replacing the system would cost 10s of thousands of dollars. I did a good chunk of my grad school research on fluorometer that was run by IBM's old rear end OS/2. I would get the raw data on a floppy, transfer it to a different computer that was new enough to be on the network, but old enough to have a floppy drive, then email it to myself so I could actually analyze it on my laptop. Edit: Aw yeah the future is now: 
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Light Gun Man posted:Assembly eh? So all those Sonic the Hedgehog rom hackers can probably snag government jobs! Earned Income Tax Credit Crackers
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Buttcoin purse posted:Just to be clear, assembly language isn't necessarily ancient, people still write in it when they are doing performance critical stuff on whatever modern hardware they are using. It's generally the least portable (to different types of computer) language though. Those of us who work on compilers get to wrangle it too  There's no 'generally the least portable', though. It's not portable at all. The different types of assembly language (well machine code) are literally the difference between the x86 chip in your PC and the ARM chip in your phone.
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karen ur brother has been trying to ruin my life and emasculate/kill/turn me gay for 20 years online on the internet he invited me to this forum once and never mentioned it again i was less than 10 ur nephew has some really bad ideas about what is actually funny/cutting edge and i cant endorse him the whole forum smells like 1999 lowtax jokes edging on tw rayn one liners i enjoy the pr0spector88 kasia account but she tries too hard and its mostly tweets of veiled anger i wish everyone dropped acid and forgave isis by giving them MORE ACID not bombs god drat cheeba chews (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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penis man posted:karen ur brother has been trying to ruin my life and emasculate/kill/turn me gay for 20 years online on the internet What the gently caress are you talking about? 
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It's a gimmick account that's been posting this kind of poo poo everywhere.
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GutBomb posted:It's a gimmick account that's been posting this kind of poo poo everywhere. Oh, right. I thought it was unmedicated mental illness or something, but then again, why would they come to this forum?
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whiteyfats posted:Oh, right. I thought it was unmedicated mental illness or something, but then again, why would they come to this forum? Well, isn't unmedicated mental illness why you're here?
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Buttcoin purse posted:Windows Server 2000 is pretty modern for lab equipment. My dad was telling me about some equipment which only a few years ago they had replaced, but they wanted to keep the old one too which only worked with a Windows 3.1 machine Stuff like that is part of the reason I stopped being a biomed tech. The other part was that I started getting uncomfortable with people's lives being dependent on whether or not I did a good job repairing something.* A large majority of medical equipment runs on old hardware and software. Even new stuff manufactured today often has a serial port for upgrading BIOS and firmware and getting detailed logs. I remember I went to a training class for a new anesthesia machine (this was in 2012) and being completely floored that they actually had an ethernet port for communication. There was an endoscopy scope cleaner that ran on DOS 5.0. I had to replace the hard drive on one, and the company had me do so many test to be ABSOLUTELY SURE it definitely needed a new hard drive because they had a stockpile of only so many, and once they were gone, that was it. *In one of the hospitals I worked at, a patient died while on a ventilator that I was the last to service, and they thought it was because the vent was faulty/I broke something during it's last scheduled maintenance. I had to pull all of my service records and get logs off the machine and so forth and present them to our clinical engineer so he could go before some big meeting with other hospital big wigs about it. Though at some point after I got all my records but before that meeting when they were interviewing the nurse/respiratory therapist, they determined it was operator error. Still enough to make me worried I was going to lose my job or worse.
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DrBouvenstein posted:*In one of the hospitals I worked at, a patient died while on a ventilator that I was the last to service, and they thought it was because the vent was faulty/I broke something during it's last scheduled maintenance. I had to pull all of my service records and get logs off the machine and so forth and present them to our clinical engineer so he could go before some big meeting with other hospital big wigs about it. Though at some point after I got all my records but before that meeting when they were interviewing the nurse/respiratory therapist, they determined it was operator error. Still enough to make me worried I was going to lose my job or worse. Welp, never doing medical IT.
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In my experience as Family Tech Support, when something breaks the first person to get blamed is the one that keeps the system maintained and actually working.
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Man, aside from losing my job, if I had been found responsible I don't think I'd ever forgive myself if I had somehow caused it 
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"Obsolete" technology is not a rarity in a lot of industrial sectors. Depending on how sensitive some equipment is, even a minor change in design can quickly carry a multi-million dollar pricetag (from paying the people for the design through rewriting the software, recertification etc. etc.) and just upgrading to whatever is the latest and greatest fashion doesn't really carry as much advantage as some think it should. Then there's also the factor of accountability and if a bug in your design is in a complex machine that might cause people to get injured or die if it malfunctions, be it medical equipment or an airplane, paying a premium for "old" parts is a comparatively small fee to avoid that whole minefield. If it works, it works and having a design that has proven itself to work flawlessly for over a decade has a worth in itself. There's a reason intel produced the 386 up to 2007 and Motorola (later on Freescale) occasionally produces batches of old 68k architecture CPUs. Just recently a company also started selling a pin-for-pin, 100% identical clone of the 68020 (a CPU that came to the market in 1984) just because the demand is still high enough that this is a worthwhile endeavor. If you have ever sat in one of the long-range airbuses in the last ~20 years and the landing gear actually worked, chances are you can thank the 68k architecture family for that. I also have a small industrial SBC (Single Board Computer) here, ISA card form-factor with ISA interface. 486 Chipset, IDE and Floppy connector, just everything you'd expect from a system that "age", it also came out of a medical machine of some sort. The board was manufactured somewhere 2000-2003. I play old games on it. I replaced the intel CPU with a Cyrix 5x86, because this Board can actually manage a 50 Mhz FSB (unlike Boards manufactured when the 486 actually was state of the art) the 100 Mhz Cryix really flies with it and it's well inside spec of the chipset. I think I might have posted pictures of that board in this thread, not sure though. Police Automaton has a new favorite as of 17:34 on May 26, 2016 |
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I worked in the automotive industry during grad school and the cutting edge project I worked on from 2014-2015 was run on a 16-bit chip from the 6800 family. They had been using it for 15 years and knew all the capabilities, constraints, and design kinks associated with the architecture. Before that they were running the 8-bit version of the chip with a much smaller memory bank. When you're bidding on contracts and potentially pushing out millions of units quick design turn around and saving pennies on boards is a big deal.
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Creature posted:Our 56kbps modem had a headphone jack, so I just plugged in a spare pair from my discman. I've never understood why it had that feature. I have an analog synth where you update the firmware for the sequencer through a 3.5mm jack, could that be the reason?
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I have a shopping bag full of HDDs from a company that was upgrading. They are all 500GB+ and in good condition but it makes me feel like a 90s h4X0r using Octo-Pad to multihax all the ATMs across state lines. Seriously, what the hell do I do with them?!
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Wasn't that satellite that passed pluto a while ago driven by a PS1 cpu? Reliability and field-testedness are pretty important too (not to mention it was probably launched about 15 years ago)
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penis man posted:(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) 
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Inzombiac posted:I have a shopping bag full of HDDs from a company that was upgrading. They are all 500GB+ and in good condition but it makes me feel like a 90s h4X0r using Octo-Pad to multihax all the ATMs across state lines. DBAN 1-pass all-0s, sell them on eBay for $10 each, buy booze?
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Das Butterbrot posted:I have an analog synth where you update the firmware for the sequencer through a 3.5mm jack, could that be the reason? It was so you could use the voice features of the modem, e.g. having a full duplex speakerphone. External modems like the USR Sportster had the microphone built-in. You had to hook up both a speaker and a microphone to the internal ones.  
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I don't remember what software it was but I hooked up a few speakers and one of those old desktop mics to use as a phone for a few months when my handset broke. You could use it as answering machine too.
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DetroitVectorSmooth posted:It was so you could use the voice features of the modem, e.g. having a full duplex speakerphone. External modems like the USR Sportster had the microphone built-in. You had to hook up both a speaker and a microphone to the internal ones. This is actually brilliant... I wonder if my Supra has that, and whether or not I could wire up an old telephone handset to it.
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