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I'll reiterate that, if you break it down to composite numbers, Winston might technically be a "better" character. I'm just trying to say that, in my experience playing as her, Dva has a role on her team and if you're playing her right can be as much a help to her team as anyone else. Just play the characters you like (except widow)! They're all good and fun (except widow)!
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I wish they made a tip that says something along the lines of 'You really need to kill the teleporter or you have like no chance of winning'
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May 26, 2016 16:27
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I got five back-to-back POTG last night as Junkrat. I hope the pubbies keep believing that Bastion and Tobjorn are perfect for camping and cheap kills...(which they are with skilled players). I think I have now 15 avg kills with Junkrat and I keep telling me that this is really good for a defensive class that I play offensively very often. 
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May 26, 2016 16:28
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I kinda want to watch console gameplay to see how the hell they play genji
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May 26, 2016 16:31
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Junkrat is overall just a great character. He is as good offensively as he is defensively and he counters most other heroes pretty well. He just has a lot of tools to work with You got his nade launcher which is a great weapon overall, it fires fast and reloads fast. Then you have your up close and personal fragmine that you can detonate pesky Tracers with without taking any damage yourself and then you ALSO have a trap that is sooo underutilized but sooo good and THEN even if you DO die, if the other guy is careless and steps near your corpse he's gonna get blown up by your grenades-on-death mayhem ability
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May 26, 2016 16:31
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PantsBandit posted:Pro-tip: Dva isn't bad. You're actually just bad with her. Hth! Well if you're calling skill into the equation why is Dva rarely picked by competitive players in high level tournaments? Why have several competitive players called Dva the worst character in the game? These are skilled fps players who have years of experience and they've probably explored every character to the fullest.
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May 26, 2016 16:32
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Why is there constantly a situation where someone drops out at the very beginning of the match and then no one is replaced in that spot for the entire game? Why wasn't that fixed before the beta ended? It's ridiculous
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May 26, 2016 16:33
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slev posted:I kinda want to watch console gameplay to see how the hell they play genji Pharah wrecks poo poo on console from what I have experienced because Widowmaker (with only one or two exceptions I have seen) is garbage tier because nobody can aim that well. Hanzo is unaffected though because he fires 2x4s.
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May 26, 2016 16:34
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i think the competitive pick rankings paint a pretty good picture of what the strongest picks are. most of the top half of the board are just generally strong heroes. most of the bottom half heroes in terms of picks are situational with a few being just bad. none of this really matters because the majority of people playing this game probably are not long time fps players, though the majority of the heroes require little to no aiming and mostly just require you position yourself correctly, and you can pick mei or whatever and totally wreck people. in the context of disorganized games i would say dva tends to be higher impact than winston, generally people that pick the monkey just jump in and feed.
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May 26, 2016 16:34
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Ahhpple posted:Well if you're calling skill into the equation why is Dva rarely picked by competitive players in high level tournaments? Why have several competitive players called Dva the worst character in the game? These are skilled fps players who have years of experience and they've probably explored every character to the fullest. If you're not playing at a competitive, tournament skill-level then why do you give a poo poo about what characters do or do not work at that level. Maybe you are, good for you. Dva works just fine against normal people.
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May 26, 2016 16:35
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MacheteZombie posted:When playing DVa if you fly in, kill 1-2 people, distract the rest of their team, pop your matrix then fly off while your team picks off the distracted team, you've done your job. This is all it takes to be effective with dva. Reinhardt is good when facing the enemy lines at range, Roadhog is good facing the enemy lines at point blank range, Winston is good when within the enemy's grouping, and Dva is good when behind/beside the enemy. Zarya is a bit different because she mitigates burst damage with her shield and becomes more powerful by doing so. I'd say she's on the brawling side of the brawl/harass scale. Reinhardt, Roadhog, and Zarya all have some form of regen or self-healing function whereas Winston and Dva have approach/escape skills on short cooldowns, which really should be emphasized in terms of what strengths people should be playing to when picking them.
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May 26, 2016 16:35
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my buddy plays on PC with a controller and it just makes me ashamed for him.
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May 26, 2016 16:37
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Zzulu posted:Junkrat is overall just a great character. He is as good offensively as he is defensively and he counters most other heroes pretty well. He just has a lot of tools to work with Perfect summary of what makes Junkrate so fun! Especially utilizing his grenade-jump was so often a clutch play to distract + kill opponents ("wtf what and how and from where does this Junkrat fly in my dir.."TIK TIK BOOOOOOOOM AHAHAHAHA!"  ) and to open gaps (and room/opportunity for their Ults!) for my team when we were beeing shut down in some areas.
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May 26, 2016 16:38
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PantsBandit posted:If you're not playing at a competitive, tournament skill-level then why do you give a poo poo about what characters do or do not work at that level. Maybe you are, good for you. Dva works just fine against normal people. You said I'm not good at Dva so I thought you'd be interested in what actual good players think of her.
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May 26, 2016 16:39
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FAUXTON posted:Reinhardt, Roadhog, and Zarya all have some form of regen or self-healing function whereas Winston and Dva have approach/escape skills on short cooldowns, which really should be emphasized in terms of what strengths people should be playing to when picking them. I've noticed a lot of people seem to misinterpret the proper use of movement skills, or are just straight up uncaring about them. Like 76's that never sprint, genjis that are always at ground level, Hanzos/widows that never get into birdsnest areas, hell Pharahs that never fly are all too common.
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May 26, 2016 16:40
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competitive play and pub play are two very different things, you can be a badass with any of the heroes in quick play
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May 26, 2016 16:40
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Thor-Stryker posted:Sure, when D.Va comes at you, start moving backwards and jump when she hits you, then immediately press left or right strafe while slowly turning in the opposite direction and your Roadhog will curve in the air. You can also retain a small bit of backward momentum if you hop as soon as you touch the ground again. So you saw her coming and had time to react? Yeah, you hook those and blow her up given you have at least 1 person behind you to follow-up. This isn't what I was referring to. I said she's annoying because she can quickly goad you or your teammates out of position. Does this work in pro games? Less likely, since they're coordinated, but this is pubs, and the carrot on her stick looks delicious.
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May 26, 2016 16:40
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Ahhpple posted:These are skilled fps players who have years of experience and they've probably explored every character to the fullest. This is definitely not true. Meta for a game like this really takes time to pan out. I'm not saying someone is absolutely, 100% going to figure out some new tech to suddenly make D.Va top tier, but even the pros who were in the closed beta don't have everything totally figured out yet. That, and, every substantial patch can (and often does) make certain characters and strategies viable that weren't pre-patch. What you'll probably see some months down the line is D.Va working in a few specific comps in a few specific maps.
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May 26, 2016 16:41
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Are there really "high level tournies" of OW being played?
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May 26, 2016 16:41
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slev posted:I kinda want to watch console gameplay to see how the hell they play genji 2-dimensionally mostly. I was watching a video yesterday and everyone plays in a plane (because it's too hard to quickly/accurately adjust aim in two directions at once).
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May 26, 2016 16:41
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Ahhpple posted:You said I'm not good at Dva so I thought you'd be interested in what actual good players think of her. I consider being good with a character to be whatever it takes to be effective at your skill level. If you play at a hyper-competitive skill level and can't get kills with Dva because she just isn't viable there, then I take back what I originally said. However, if your overall skill level is "normal" and you can't get kills with Dva then, yeah, I think you just need to practice.
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May 26, 2016 16:42
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Thor-Stryker posted:Are pro-comps running D.Va now or something? I'm still struggling to see how D.Va does something more/better than Winston, they have nearly identical skillsets after all. They don't run her unless it's for last second delaying on a point.
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Lant posted:They don't run her unless it's for last second delaying on a point. Have a link handy of these high level pro-comps? I'm curious to see how the meta is shaping at the upper tiers already.
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May 26, 2016 16:46
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i want this game :c
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i only play characters that are used in pro comps, even though I'm not a pro, nor do I play against pros, furthermore
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May 26, 2016 16:47
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MacheteZombie posted:Have a link handy of these high level pro-comps? I'm curious to see how the meta is shaping at the upper tiers already. Twitch.tv/gosugamers had some stuff going on yesterday, check the past broadcasts Lots of McCree, Widowmaker, Mercy
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May 26, 2016 16:50
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76 feels so good in quick match. Press button to get kills. You even get autoaim and continuous sprint and self heelz... and a rifle nade.
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JollyPubJerk posted:So you saw her coming and had time to react? Yeah, you hook those and blow her up given you have at least 1 person behind you to follow-up. This isn't what I was referring to. I said she's annoying because she can quickly goad you or your teammates out of position. I'm just saying that Winston can do the same exact goading with a higher kill rate and less chance to die, especially at Quick play levels. But as a above-average-but-not-pro player, I've never once really felt threatened by a D.Va because I can just run away or out DPS her with a little dancing. While I've had some quality Winstons eat me alive because it's impossible to escape or they destroy you with shield dancing if you try to engage them. I just don't want new goons being fooled into thinking they can be useful with D.Va when Winston can perform just as good at low skill levels but has the option for a higher skill ceiling. Encouraging goons to be like terrible pubbie teammates is just mean.
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May 26, 2016 16:56
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Why is it that people can effortlessly defend an objective for 7 minutes and then everything falls apart the second overtime starts
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May 26, 2016 16:57
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Ihmemies posted:and a rifle nade. i love hitting tracers with that thing
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May 26, 2016 16:59
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Help Im Alive posted:Why is it that people can effortlessly defend an objective for 7 minutes and then everything falls apart the second overtime starts It's normally in that last few seconds that the attacking team, even when it's full of pubbies, finally realizes "oh poo poo maybe grouping up might be more effective than throwing myself at the other team over and over."
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May 26, 2016 17:00
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76 is pretty hilarious in the Arcade brawl. Escorting the payload, dropping a healing beacon every three steps. I got a PotG by alt-firing twice after Zarya got a good ult off. I also picked Zarya for a bit, but the enemy team had two Tracers, Reaper and Pharah making it really hard to melt people with my deathray  I was pretty invincible unless all my teammates died though.
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May 26, 2016 17:00
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I am getting peeved. PEEVED how some players do not consider the enemy team and still think, "Hmm, we could really use some tanks but I only main Tracer." Maining in a pub match does not make you a better player. Actually, you are going to learn your main in an environment where you are countered 24/7 which is not teaching you anything beyond how you instantly gib. Love, a person that always switches to tank or healer a minute into the match.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Is anyone else having connection issues to the game? i sure am, long hitches with the occasional kick to login. i thought it'd go away after OB but i guess not.
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Ihmemies posted:76 feels so good in quick match. Press button to get kills. You even get autoaim and continuous sprint and self heelz... and a rifle nade. When he was revealed I thought he was going to be dull but the gunfeel is nice and his playstyle has a good flow to it. I'm glad Grandpa CoD is in the game.
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PantsBandit posted:Y'all motherfuckers sound like you're just really bad with Dva? I don't know if Winston is technically "better" and I don't really give a poo poo because why would you not just play the characters you like. Yeah and I popped the Legendary D.Va junker skin so I use her all the time. Just fly to the point, find a good flanking position, wait for your team to rush, then pick apart people with YOUR UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF BULLETS. Then
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Thor-Stryker posted:I just don't want new goons being fooled into thinking they can be useful with D.Va when Winston can perform just as good at low skill levels but has the option for a higher skill ceiling. Encouraging goons to be like terrible pubbie teammates is just mean. Regardless of relative effectiveness, Winston absolutely does not have a higher skill ceiling than D.Va.
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slev posted:I kinda want to watch console gameplay to see how the hell they play genji Here you go
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MacheteZombie posted:When playing DVa if you fly in, kill 1-2 people, distract the rest of their team, pop your matrix then fly off while your team picks off the distracted team, you've done your job. You could say... you bring the chaos?
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