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Massachusetts man has a surprisingly decent platform, given his history, but some things are unforgivable. God Damm, that haircut/mustache. Super gross! Everyone better get down with my man John St. John. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rAjily7rME Octatonic has issued a correction as of 15:43 on May 26, 2016 |
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Mountaineer posted:Actually I think Benjamin Franklin Butler looks pretty good. His VP is a poo poo, but really who cares about the VP as long as the President doesn't die in office. I don't care, since he also: quote:supported harsh Reconstruction measures against the South [and] graduated income tax, federal sanitary and safety laws, nationalization of the telegraph and railroad systems, and laws requiring companies to pay their employees with accepted American currency. Greenbacks for life, baby!
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QuoProQuid posted:After an extensive investigation, a Buffalo has accused Cleveland of violently raping a woman. QuoProQuid, don't hold out on us- are there any Harper's cartoons of this?
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May 26, 2016 15:45
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To those of you considering voting for Cleveland, all I can say is this: "Ma, ma, where's my pa!" Don't vote for a rapist and absentee father!
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May 26, 2016 15:48
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Do I vote for a corrupt racist, a corrupt rapist, a guy who legalized rape or the prohibitionist?
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May 26, 2016 15:52
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:Do I vote for a corrupt racist, a corrupt rapist, a guy who legalized rape or the prohibitionist? Democracy in a nutshell
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:Do I vote for a corrupt racist, a corrupt rapist, a guy who legalized rape or the prohibitionist? telegraph from prohibitionist hq, John St John speaking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3vXZJCfb_8
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May 26, 2016 15:54
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Platform wise I like the greenbacks, but I figure america's gotta get prohibition out of the way at some point.
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May 26, 2016 16:24
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It's time. Say goodbye to your hard cider, folks. 
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May 26, 2016 17:04
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Maybe if the fine women of New Orleans were not satisfied with how General Butler treated them, we should have sent them General Sherman. Butler for President!
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There's an amazing episode of Whistlestop which talks about the crazy bullshit Blaine pulled to narrowly avoid being impeached for his obvious corruption. The way John Dickerson tells it: Blaine asked to see the evidence against him after it had been presented in the House. He *stole it*, and then delayed the proceedings for a few days by pretending to be ill. He used that time to arrange for someone in the Senate to drop out of the Senate and for Blaine to be nominated in his place. Since Blaine was no longer in the House, the House couldn't impeach him. Since the Senate didn't have the evidence proving he was corrupt (conveniently lost), the Senate couldn't impeach him. Presidential material there.
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May 26, 2016 17:49
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Having refused to elect either the Greenbacks or prohibitionists at their bests, we're now faced with them as better options despite being at their worst. This is our own fault.
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May 26, 2016 17:52
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   Also, I see A. Wyatt Mann has been around for quite a while. 
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May 26, 2016 18:03
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drat, Butler's platform is amazing GREENBACKS
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May 26, 2016 18:06
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Voting for the Saint
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I'm voting for Blaine (the Mono) because everyone else sucks worse. The Greenbacks would be appealing except for ya know, the part where the guy legalized rape in New Orleans  SolTerrasa posted:There's an amazing episode of Whistlestop which talks about the crazy bullshit Blaine pulled to narrowly avoid being impeached for his obvious corruption. This actually owns and just further supports my point that Blaine is our man.
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May 26, 2016 18:40
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So I can vote for populists that hate women???
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May 26, 2016 18:43
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Any man who oppresses The South has my vote. Butler for President!
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NumberLast posted:So I can vote for populists that hate women??? my friend you can always vote for populists that hate women
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May 26, 2016 18:53
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What the hell is it with New Orleans that gets people to set themselves up as dictators. Jackson did it too.
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Enjoying the poo poo out of this alt-history project. However, only 20* years until a Real Man's Man dunks all over these other nerds... *Depending on how 1900 goes, that is... TheHoosier has issued a correction as of 19:12 on May 26, 2016 |
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reignonyourparade posted:What the hell is it with New Orleans that gets people to set themselves up as dictators. Jackson did it too. Something something France
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May 26, 2016 19:15
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Let's go Benjamin "spoons" "the beast" Butler
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May 26, 2016 19:18
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So looking up the whole "treat them as prostitutes" thing it appears that while it was a draconian and ridiculous action, it mostly covered the social aspect of respectable women being relatively immune from verbal or physical retaliation. So you know, that order is hilariously insulting and disrespectful and surely lead to violence against women, but appears to not quite be as bad as I was interpreting it before? Looking into his rule in New Orleans is quite something though. He Confederacy considered him a war criminal and they've got a good argument for it. He was also notable for his anti-semitism. On the flip side, during his time there, he was apparently very good for the poor in the area and his rather extreme tactics did contribute a lot to the union effort in the area.
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May 26, 2016 19:19
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:Do I vote for a corrupt racist, a corrupt rapist, a guy who legalized rape or the prohibitionist? fwiw butler's order p much just authorized soldiers to be rude right back at southern women
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Raskolnikov38 posted:fwiw butler's order p much just authorized soldiers to be rude right back at southern women Yeah I probably should have wrote "A dictator" or "A war criminal" instead there
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SolTerrasa posted:There's an amazing episode of Whistlestop which talks about the crazy bullshit Blaine pulled to narrowly avoid being impeached for his obvious corruption. Yeah, here are the links to the two episodes, one on Blaine and one on Grover: http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/whistlestop/2015/04/james_g_blaine_and_the_mulligan_letters_on_this_week_s_whistlestop_campaign.html http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/whistlestop/2015/04/the_salacious_tale_of_the_love_child_that_nearly_cost_grover_cleveland_the.html People think US elections have got crazier as time goes on but some absolutely batshit stuff happened in the past.
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Grover Cleveland didn't want to annex Hawaii, which is cool. Too bad about, uh, the rest of it.
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Ibogaine posted:"Ma, ma, where's my pa!" Gone to the White House, ha ha ha! e: Also, this election was where the term "Rum, Romanism and Rebellion" was first used to describe what the new hordes of Irish and Italian immigrants were bringing to America. Troy Queef has issued a correction as of 20:44 on May 26, 2016 |
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Butler also apparently raided New Orleans' financial and physical resources a few different ways, arranging the fire sale of the city's properties to himself. This also included a variety of activities that benefited the Confederacy. Not actually an ethical guy, just better at paying it lip service, at least by QPQ's description.
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Mountaineer posted:Actually I think Benjamin Franklin Butler looks pretty good. His VP is a poo poo, but really who cares about the VP as long as the President doesn't die in office.  Butler and Blaine historically die sixteen days apart in January of 1893.  Blaine’s blurb posted:During one of his sermons, Samuel Burchard, Protestant minister and Blaine supporter, described the Democrats as the party of “rum, Romanism, and rebellion.” Blaine was present to hear the allegation but did nothing to disassociate himself from the allegation. The incident has left many voters convinced that Blaine is opposed to urban immigrants, opposed to religious minorities, and opposed to the South. They say this like it’s a bad thing. I’m tempted to vote for Blaine even though he’s corrupt as poo poo, but I cannot abide a VP who was personally fired by William Tecumseh Sherman.  Maybe the Prohibition Party is a little too zealous in their crusade against alcohol, but clearly something is corrupting the nation’s moral fibre. I say we give them a shot (heh).
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Discendo Vox posted:QuoProQuid, don't hold out on us- are there any Harper's cartoons of this? EDIT: oh god i just realized that is a typo. im dumb. The cartoon in the poll is the only negative cartoon that Harper Weekly published about the Maria Halpin Affair. Blaine was considered so bad that the Harper Review staff defected en masse to the Democratic Party. The magazine announced this by depicting themselves as Virginius, symbolically murdering the Republican Party.  Harper didn't really publish many cartoons depicting Cleveland, because they only ever saw him as the lesser of two evils. When they referred to him in print, it was usually to sow doubt about the accusations against him. Puck depicted this attitude:  This is good. You are a good poster. QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 23:46 on May 26, 2016 |
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As a Massachusetts lady my loyalty will not falter.
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One of the most famous responses to Butler's order was this: That's his portrait on the bottom of a chamber pot
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How did it come about that Butler's VP candidate is a Confederate veteran who raised a regiment to fight against the north and still today does not consider blacks equal to whites? Strange bedfellows. (The last Greenback VP candidate, Barzillai Chambers, was also a Confederate veteran.)
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Corek posted:How did it come about that Butler's VP candidate is a Confederate veteran who raised a regiment to fight against the north and still today does not consider blacks equal to whites? Strange bedfellows. (The last Greenback VP candidate, Barzillai Chambers, was also a Confederate veteran.) To be fair, very few white people at the time on either side of the Mason-Dixon line considered blacks equal to whites.
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Seems like just a pretty blatant attempt to get some Southern votes since the Democrats were always running straight Yankee tickets
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I actually did some research a while back on this and I don't think either major party would run a presidential or VP candidate that made their name in the South again until LBJ in 1960.
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Corek posted:I actually did some research a while back on this and I don't think either major party would run a presidential or VP candidate that made their name in the South again until LBJ in 1960. The Democrats selected Alabama senator John Sparkman as VP in 1952. And FDR's first VP was hardline Texas conservative John Nance Garner.
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