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RusteJuxx posted:
No mention of a JSA or Legion book, which is weird when like 8 pages of the one-shot were devoted to setting up that those groups exist (except the LoSH already existed, considering they had 2 ongoings at the start of the Nu52, right?)
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SonicRulez posted:Tim got put on the team of rookies and Damian gets to be on the Teen Titans? No wonder that kid has middle child syndrome so hard. You say that like it's better to be on the Teen Titans then working directly with Batman.
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May 27, 2016 01:43
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I forget, does 'Tec always outsell Batman or is it that Action outdoes Superman? Also, for gently caress's sake, DC, if you actually want to pretend like the Trinity all matter equally, launch a print Sensation Comics.
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May 27, 2016 01:47
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Travis343 posted:You say that like it's better to be on the Teen Titans then working directly with Batman. It is if Batman's training a team of novices.
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May 27, 2016 01:50
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SonicRulez posted:It is if Batman's training a team of novices. Novices that include Stephanie Brown. e: Stephanie is really the only novice on the team, the rest of the cast is Batwoman, Clayface and Cassandra Cain, who is like the best martial artist in the DC Universe, so I think Tim's looking pretty good.
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May 27, 2016 01:51
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Travis343 posted:Novices that include Stephanie Brown. NO NO We are not going back to the Tim Drake/Stephanie Brown drama well. I just got over the PTSD from the Convergence mini.
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May 27, 2016 01:52
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Travis343 posted:Novices that include Stephanie Brown. That's different. The description I got made it sound like Bats put Robin on The Outsiders. That'd be hosed up. When did Clayface do a (clay) face turn?
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May 27, 2016 01:56
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SonicRulez posted:That's different. The description I got made it sound like Bats put Robin on The Outsiders. That'd be hosed up. When did Clayface do a (clay) face turn? That actually happened in Batwoman's solo series, right before it got canceled on account of being awful. He lost his memory or something, but not completely. He had memories but it was like they were someone else's, and he was horrified by the stuff he'd done. He was on Batwoman's weird misfit team that included Ragman, Etrigan and Batwoman's crazy sister Red Alice and they went into space. This would have been amazing in the hands of pretty much any writer except Marc Andreyko.
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May 27, 2016 01:59
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Gaz-L posted:I forget, does 'Tec always outsell Batman or is it that Action outdoes Superman?
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May 27, 2016 02:26
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Gavok posted:It's a side-piece, basically. GL rings can run out and don't always work right. Best have a gun just in case. The problem is that Simon is still carrying an Earth handgun instead of ditching it for some laser pistol or something, and that immediately loops it back to him being dumb as hell, because seriously dude I can count on one hand the people you fight who can actually be harmed by bullets and have fingers left over.
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May 27, 2016 02:27
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CapnAndy posted:Which, and I say this every time it comes up, I genuinely like so much. Because Simon makes perfect loving sense -- even if your primary weapon is the most powerful thing in the universe and can do literally anything, if it can run out of ammo and you're not carrying a sidearm, you're dumb as hell. He's a guy from Earth, he hasn't been a GL for very long, and maybe the Earth gun is more comforting to him as a safety blanket than yet another piece of crazy alien tech like the one on his finger. Edit: Wow they really did a good job on this: 
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May 27, 2016 02:29
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Oh, the whole book is full of it. The classic 9 panel layout in the opening is right out of the Dr Manhattan origin issue. And as I said, I really liked the final segment for how closely it mimicked Gibbons & co.
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May 27, 2016 02:37
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Gaz-L posted:NO At least Tynion more or less gets Cass's personality, so we won't have to deal with her trying to eat Steph's hamster. 
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May 27, 2016 02:38
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X-O posted:Dan Abnett is exclusive for DC now. So good news for Marvel. You say that but his GotG run was great and his current Herc run was also pretty good, though probably over and done at this point. You talk about him like he's Lobdell when he's had many more fine or good books than bad.
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May 27, 2016 02:44
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Two Tone Shoes posted:You say that but his GotG run was great and his current Herc run was also pretty good, though probably over and done at this point. His Guardians run was years ago and when he was with Lanning. Back when he was good. His Herc was terrible. I liked the first issue and then it just turned bad really fast. His work on Guardians the last couple years has been terrible and he wrote one of the worst Secret Wars tie-ins as well. Maybe his DC work is magically better somehow but I've heard Earth 2 and Titans Hunt are really bad so I doubt it.
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May 27, 2016 02:48
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X-O posted:His Guardians run was years ago and when he was with Lanning. Back when he was good. His Herc was terrible. I liked the first issue and then it just turned bad really fast. His work on Guardians the last couple years has been terrible and he wrote one of the worst Secret Wars tie-ins as well. Maybe his DC work is magically better somehow but I've heard Earth 2 and Titans Hunt are really bad so I doubt it. I haven't read Earth 2(clusterfuck that it's been) but his Aquaman was also good (if you can get past Brett Booth art, another problem with Titans really). I feel you on Titans Hunt but I'm pretty sure it got hijacked partway through. It was supposed to be 12 issues and my guess was the original idea was for it to be the Wally West return book (lots of hints early on that then stopped immediately before the super obvious Pre-Rebirth teaser) only for Wally to get his own big event for his return. It's like they stretched out this 6 issue intro/setup arc into this decompressed 8 issue thing that suffered for it. I thought the characters and and narration were good, it just progressed slowly. But maybe I'm being too generous and he doesn't work well without Lanning. I just can't remember an Abnett book I've read that I actively disliked.
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May 27, 2016 03:02
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I like Earth 2 but I'll freely admit I've read like nothing of Earth 2 before this so I'm not fully aware of how big of a clusterfuck we've had that got us here  .His Titans Hunt, Guardians of Infinity, and Hercules though leave me unimpressed. If this leads to someone else getting Civil War II: Gods of War, I'd call Abnett going to DC a win for Marvel.
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May 27, 2016 03:04
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I've not heard of anyone even reading his Aquaman or He-Man books. Maybe his true talent lies in writing about blonde guys that most people think are really lame. Maybe DC will put him on a revived Triumph comic.
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May 27, 2016 03:16
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X-O posted:...He-Man.. blonde guys that most people think are really lame. 
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May 27, 2016 03:21
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I'm not sure what's confusing there. Is his He-Man not blonde?
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May 27, 2016 03:23
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X-O posted:I've not heard of anyone even reading his Aquaman or He-Man books. Maybe his true talent lies in writing about blonde guys that most people think are really lame. Maybe DC will put him on a revived Triumph comic. The best thing about his Aquaman book is Aquaman and Mera being an adorable couple, which I wasn't expecting out of it but I'm glad I read it in spite of the art. But my favorite DC cape stuff ever was Waid's Flash so maybe I have a weak point for that kind of silly power of love stuff.
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May 27, 2016 03:48
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JoshTheStampede posted:He's a guy from Earth, he hasn't been a GL for very long, and maybe the Earth gun is more comforting to him as a safety blanket than yet another piece of crazy alien tech like the one on his finger. Haha, a "good job" straight up ripping off a memorable, gutwrenching moment to kill Pandora. Johns is such a hack.
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May 27, 2016 03:59
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Yeah, well, when a person I like does it, it's homage, when a person I don't like does it, it's a ripoff.
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May 27, 2016 04:03
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JoshTheStampede posted:Yeah, well, when a person I like does it, it's homage, when a person I don't like does it, it's a ripoff. An homage would be crediting the original artist/writer for straight up jacking their panel layout. But since they're stealing the Watchmen characters from Moore, they might as well steal everything else from the comic and claim it as an homage. And again, this is comparing the killing of Rorschach to loving Pandora.
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May 27, 2016 04:07
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Gaz-L posted:I forget, does 'Tec always outsell Batman or is it that Action outdoes Superman? They had that recently. It wasn't in continuity, but it was still pretty good. Wonder Woman short stories done by a variety of writers and artists. The sad thing is though is that Wonder Woman really DOESN'T matter anymore, though she should. Hopefully Rucka can help on that but until DC decides 'hey we want Wonder Woman to ACTUALLY BE IMPORTANT' she's really not going to be.
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May 27, 2016 04:24
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It's a decent homage but it would have been much better with the original coloring followed rather than using DC House Colorist #432.
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May 27, 2016 04:29
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I think it's a cool homage. And good riddance to that character.
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May 27, 2016 04:31
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Endless Mike posted:It's a decent homage but it would have been much better with the original coloring followed rather than using DC House Colorist #432. which wouldn't have looked out of place in the middle of the book at allllll also the sloppy beej to watchmen actually manages to be slightly more infuriating than the 30 year reacharound they've been giving DKR and Killing Joke, its impressive
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May 27, 2016 04:34
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Pandora is honestly such a shame of a character. She had potential if they actually took the time to work on developing her, but she was a living macguffin that was quickly forgotten in the grand scheme of things. I highly doubt anyone will miss her and I'm pretty positive most forgot her existence until Rebirth brought it back for a hot second.
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May 27, 2016 04:44
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Literally The Worst posted:which wouldn't have looked out of place in the middle of the book at allllll Alan Moore and Frank Miller used the four-color, kid-friendly insanity of the golden/silver age for inspiration to craft mature, often shocking stories featuring superheroes but in the thirty years since DC has chased that dragon so hard that the Moore and Miller of today cannot exist. They can't have that genuine reaction to the 'established' core of superheroes because today the 'core' is a slavish, shallow imitation of the original genuine reactions in the 80s. Like Snyder's pretty good and all. But his Batman is a copy of a copy, an unironic imitation of a deliberate inversion of the way comics haven't actually been in decades. Who is reading these books today that's going to be able to twist them into something on the caliber of Watchmen? A reaction to a reaction to a reaction to something nobody actually remembers anymore. I guess what I'm saying is comics are doing the worst possible job to seed their creative future by relentlessly devouring and regurgitating their creative past
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May 27, 2016 04:53
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oi don't say comics when you mean dc. dc is the one jacking their past off with one hand and writing with the other. dc is the one that got called out on it ten years early in DKSA. DC is the one who put out a comic in 2016 that's mostly an "homage" to watchmen by a writer who missed the point spectacularly. gently caress this idiot rear end company
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May 27, 2016 04:59
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Literally The Worst posted:oi don't say comics when you mean dc. sorry this is the DC thread and all of the comics I read are DC
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May 27, 2016 05:00
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Travis343 posted:sorry this is the DC thread and all of the comics I read are DC You monster
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May 27, 2016 05:02
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Norns posted:Cyborg sucks and I'd rather have Martian Manhunter or Plastic Man with the JL. They keep trying to shove loving Cyborg in, and it just would be better with anyone really. My man.
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May 27, 2016 05:03
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SynthOrange posted:You monster Hail Hydra 
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May 27, 2016 05:04
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X-O posted:Dan Abnett is exclusive for DC now. So good news for Marvel. Okay so this may show my rear end a bit, but I'm going to ask anyways. I've been out of comics for a long time. Just recently got back into them, but I've stuck to filling holes in my collection and reading hardcover that I pick up for cheap. Why does everyone hate Abnett? I've only read his Nova stuff and I enjoyed it (Richard Rider is one of my favorite Marvel characters). I don't plan on going hog-wild like I did, but I'm going to buy all of Rebirth and maybe a couple of titles.
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May 27, 2016 05:07
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SeannieDarko posted:Okay so this may show my rear end a bit, but I'm going to ask anyways. I've been out of comics for a long time. Just recently got back into them, but I've stuck to filling holes in my collection and reading hardcover that I pick up for cheap. I explained above. He's just written a string of really bad comics in my opinion. And his good stuff was years ago when he was still a writing duo with Lanning. Also all of Rebirth was literally the one issue. It's not an event.
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May 27, 2016 05:12
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I don't hate Abnett. I really liked his Warhammer 40k novels and I've heard good things about his early Guardians of the Galaxy. It's just his latest stuff has been decent at best, and overall pretty bad.
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May 27, 2016 05:12
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X-O posted:I explained above. He's just written a string of really bad comics in my opinion. And his good stuff was years ago when he was still a writing duo with Lanning. They're not doing one-shots before starting the on-goings with issue 1?
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SeannieDarko posted:They're not doing one-shots before starting the on-goings with issue 1? Well yeah, but I'd think of those more as 0 issues kind of teasing what the series is about. It's not a continuing event or anything.
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