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Ratoslov posted:What the living gently caress does 'He does not put his trust in the arm of the flesh.' mean? quote:34 O Lord, I have trusted in thee, and I will trust in thee forever. I will not put my trust in the arm of flesh; for I know that cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh. Yea, cursed is he that putteth his trust in man or maketh flesh his arm.
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Ratoslov posted:What the living gently caress does 'He does not put his trust in the arm of the flesh.' mean? It's a weird combination of various Christian phrases all jammed together edit: as it comes from the book of Mormon, I'm going to call my explanation correct. It's weird Old Testament fan fiction without any of the poetic ability
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May 26, 2016 21:05
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Knight posted:I have no idea, but Google-fu says it's from the good Book of Mormon That doesn't help at all! 
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May 26, 2016 21:05
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Ratoslov posted:That doesn't help at all! Magic Underwear gives you god arms, without it, your arms are of flesh.
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May 26, 2016 21:06
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Unless these arms of flesh are carrying Guns of Steel
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May 26, 2016 21:10
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Ratoslov posted:That doesn't help at all! There's a lot of imagery in the Bible drawing a distinction between "physical things" (often shorthanded as "the flesh") and "spiritual things", and how the spiritual things are more important. The Book of Mormon is trying to make the same type of distinction but with Joseph Smith's grasp of imagery and metaphor.
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May 26, 2016 21:11
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"Of Flesh" as in "Of Man", as in, Put Not Your Trust in the Arms of Man; For Only God may be Trusted If you still don't understand what she's saying, she's saying "Don't question Ammon, god told him to change lawyers"
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May 26, 2016 21:18
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Again, the Bundy family are applying a fringe version of Mormonism. The two explanations I can find indicate that it's an expression for favoring divine judgement over worldly judgement- either personal or governmental, depending on the source. edit: dammit, it's entirely conventional. It's derived from a poor, or arguably more exact, translation of Jeremiah 17:5, referring to trusting power from worldly sources over that of God. "Arm" is just another way of expressing "strength". Poking around (not a biblical scholar here), the book of Jeremiah is particularly messy to translate, which is probably part of why the interpretations and texts are fairly divergent. Discendo Vox has issued a correction as of 21:24 on May 26, 2016 |
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May 26, 2016 21:21
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Okay, I guess it's pretty standard Judeo-Christian stuff. The wording was just a little strange, like maybe the arm of flesh was a specfic thing? But okay.
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May 26, 2016 21:33
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So its an ad campaign for Deus Ex: Mankind Divided then. Don't trust arms that can't manufacture and shoot blades. 
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May 26, 2016 21:56
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The flesh is weak, but the hyperalloy endoskeleton is strong.
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May 26, 2016 22:34
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"Arm of flesh" is a late Biblical expression in some places in non-Mormon texts as well, meaning human power or strength. 2 Chronicles 32:8 is a good example. quote:7 Be strong and courageous, do not fear or be dismayed because of the king of Assyria nor because of all the horde that is with him; for the one with us is greater than the one with him. 8"With him is only an arm of flesh, but with us is the LORD our God to help us and to fight our battles." And the people relied on the words of Hezekiah king of Judah. Edit: Beaten by DVox. That's what I get for not reloading before posting... Well, looking at the original Hebrew, it's just a word that means strength that comes from the word for (right) arm. It just sounds weird in English. Entirely normal expression though. WrenP-Complete has issued a correction as of 23:17 on May 26, 2016 |
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May 26, 2016 23:12
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Saying "arm of flesh" is not normal, but on religion it is.
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May 26, 2016 23:50
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Saying "arm of flesh" is not normal, but on religion it is. Even among Mormons it's not a commonly used phrase. Also, he absolutely is putting his trust in the "arm of flesh," unless he believes that his new attorney is deity?
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May 27, 2016 00:13
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TheMadMilkman posted:Even among Mormons it's not a commonly used phrase. Hail Satan/Lucifer!
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May 27, 2016 00:19
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I shouldn't have looked up her Facebook page and scrolled through. It's thoroughly depressing. Also, she posted this:  That is dangerously close to deifying/worshipping LaVoy. In the early days of the LDS church it would probably have been enough to have her excommunicated.
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May 27, 2016 00:37
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TheMadMilkman posted:I shouldn't have looked up her Facebook page and scrolled through. It's thoroughly depressing. No, but you see his rebellion is special because--*FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAART*
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May 27, 2016 00:54
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Otisburg posted:A young Second Lieutenant approaches the crusty old CSM and asked about the origin of the commissioned officer insignias. owns
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May 27, 2016 01:17
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The more I read about the Bundys, their messianic ideology and how their Mormon beliefs play into this whole mess, the more I understand why 19th Americans tried to exterminate these fuckers.
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May 27, 2016 01:41
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Mirthless posted:"Of Flesh" as in "Of Man", as in, Put Not Your Trust in the Arms of Man; For Only God may be Trusted Put not your trust in the arms of Man, for only cyborg arms may be trusted. efb, not sure why I am surprised
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May 27, 2016 02:21
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TheMadMilkman posted:I shouldn't have looked up her Facebook page and scrolled through. It's thoroughly depressing. Please tell me that's from Christians For Michele Bachmann or something. 
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May 27, 2016 02:29
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radical meme posted:The more I read about the Bundys, their messianic ideology and how their Mormon beliefs play into this whole mess, the more I understand why 19th Americans tried to exterminate these fuckers. It's not their Mormonism. They would have found justification in any religious or self-identifying belief they had- which is why many of those who followed them weren't Mormons.
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May 27, 2016 02:31
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Discendo Vox posted:It's not their Mormonism. They would have found justification in any religious or self-identifying belief they had- which is why many of those who followed them weren't Mormons. Oh I get that. But, their strident belief that they're the only ones that truly understand the Constitution and God's will and how it applies to America is a hallmark of the Mormon faith that has held true over the generations. It's part of the same reason why Warren Jeffs' cult has been so successful and why that fucker will spend the rest of his life in jail. edit: it's a special sect of craziness. you can look at Baptists and realize that there are some that are average run of the mill Baptist and then there are some that are Southern Baptist and then there are some that are bug gently caress crazy evangelical Baptist. same principal applies to most religions. but, when you scratch the surface, Mormons seem to have more than their fair share; which is probably why the church is staying as far away from this poo poo as it possibly can. radical meme has issued a correction as of 02:54 on May 27, 2016 |
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May 27, 2016 02:46
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radical meme posted:The more I read about the Bundys, their messianic ideology and how their Mormon beliefs play into this whole mess, the more I understand why 19th Americans tried to exterminate these fuckers. If you want to get real mad at 19th century Mormans sometime, watch that movie about the Mountain Meadows massacre starring General Zod.
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May 27, 2016 04:32
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TheMadMilkman posted:I shouldn't have looked up her Facebook page and scrolled through. It's thoroughly depressing. "And the Messiah did force open the door of His brutally wrecked Bronco and verily did He shout with great vigor at the tax assayers," "Shoot Me, come you fuckers and shoot Me, so speaketh the Lord!" "And yea the Lord was totally domed and dropped like a serious Bitch, and all in assemblage agreed that His death was a great, if foreseeable, tragedy,"
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May 27, 2016 06:19
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:"And the Messiah did force open the door of His brutally wrecked Bronco Twice, did his hand move to draw forth his weapon and, lo, twice did his fat fingers emerge bereft and on the third fumbled draw, our LORD was laid low
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May 27, 2016 06:44
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Otisburg posted:If you want to get real mad at 19th century Mormans sometime, watch that movie about the Mountain Meadows massacre starring General Zod. Did the LDS ever apologize for that one? (I guess they help maintain the monument and elders show up at memorial services. So there's that.) Volcott has issued a correction as of 06:50 on May 27, 2016 |
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May 27, 2016 06:45
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:"And the Messiah did force open the door of His brutally wrecked Bronco added to the OP, lol
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May 27, 2016 07:05
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Knight posted:Ritzheimer said this was a bad idea on Facebook, Briana Bundy responded telling him NEVER to question her husband! So his cult leader status did, unsurprisingly, begin in his home life. TheMadMilkman posted:I shouldn't have looked up her Facebook page and scrolled through. It's thoroughly depressing. They're so desperate to have a martyr to justify their stupidity that they have completely turned Finnicum into modern Jesus.
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May 27, 2016 12:41
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Otisburg posted:Twice, did his hand move to draw forth his weapon And upon that day, The LORD was rekt
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May 27, 2016 13:19
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Geostomp posted:So his cult leader status did, unsurprisingly, begin in his home life. I caught that as well: she's so adamant about trusting his judgment that you have to wonder how much of that dedication is fear. The Bundys were known to challenge anybody who dared questioned their 'god-given freedoms' to do whatever poo poo they wanted. If they were the types to go toe-to-toe with cops, I imagine they wouldn't have an issue beating their wives. I can only imagine what their family life is like, and I'm kinda glad that their kids won't have to live under the thumb of such pathetic assholes anymore. Kinda hard maintain the whole 'I'm absolutely right' thing when you're rotting in a Supermax. quote:They're so desperate to have a martyr to justify their stupidity that they have completely turned Finnicum into modern Jesus. And in doing so completely ignore that anybody can look at that video and see that TarpJesus died an rear end in a top hat, scrambling for a holster while actual state troopers with training took him out with a minimum of effort. There's your revolution, everybody: some old fucker without the sense to come in out of the cold dying like a schmuck for no reason at all.
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May 27, 2016 14:40
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Lavoy was an old man who was going to spend his last remaining years in prison, he actually took the smart way out. Cliven Bundy on the other hand is going to eat lovely prison food for the rest of his life
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May 27, 2016 14:48
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They interviewed LaVoy's wife on NPR and she's convinced she's going to be rounded up like the others, which is just paranoid thinking. Then it was revealed that she's still not paying her grazing fees, so I guess she's right. Can't wait to see the Finicum ranch seized by the government.
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May 27, 2016 14:54
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cumshitter posted:They interviewed LaVoy's wife on NPR and she's convinced she's going to be rounded up like the others, which is just paranoid thinking. I get pretty hard thinking about the impotent sovcit rage if the gvmt did take a martyr's ranch
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May 27, 2016 15:03
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Marijuana Nihilist posted:I get pretty hard thinking about the impotent sovcit rage if the gvmt did take a martyr's ranch ...and turning it into "The Federal Lavoy Finnicum BLM Museum", an everlasting monument celebrating the crucial work of the Bureau of Land Management.
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May 27, 2016 15:24
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Marijuana Nihilist posted:I get pretty hard thinking about the impotent sovcit rage if the gvmt did take a martyr's ranch It will be the site of the government's newest FEMA tarp factory
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May 27, 2016 15:37
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Geostomp posted:They're so desperate to have a martyr to justify their stupidity that they have completely turned Finnicum into modern Jesus. But it has been way past three days, and I havn't heard of anyone ascending into the sky while glowing and shrouded in an American flag with the Gadsden flag draped over an arm. I'm seriously doubting his cred.
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May 27, 2016 19:36
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TheMadMilkman posted:I shouldn't have looked up her Facebook page and scrolled through. It's thoroughly depressing. My favorite part of the Bible is when Jesus ran in a circle yelling "Your gonna have to crucify me. Over and over"
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May 27, 2016 20:01
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Bombadilillo posted:My favorite part of the Bible is when Jesus ran in a circle yelling Great, I just conflated that with Family Guy's "greased up deaf guy" and now I'm going to hell.
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Doomtalker posted:And upon that day, The sky didst darkened and He spake the crimson word and the word was WASTED.
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