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VitalSigns posted:No wait that's second, my favorite was "liberals are too quick to throw around the term 'slavery' at every little thing until it becomes meaningless". Actual bound laborers in economically-freer-than-the-US Qatar and UAE? Just a bunch of whiners, boo hoo you don't have a union. Income taxes???? BASICALLY SLAVERY!! Personal fav: every one of his explanations for how it makes sense that black reparations in the US should be accomplished by transferring former plantation land to descendants of slaves even when it results in Will Smith evicting poor whites from their hovels, but it is too hard anyway so why bother.
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That's the thing though. It isn't like I was unaware, just having a decent grasp of history tells me Libertarians are loving idiots, but when I read those books and you grasp just how insanely cruel and greedy these people were you just want to take Jrod and through him out a god drat window. You read their quotes and writings; their defense is literally the same as Jrods, a borderline insane defense of property over human life and decency. It is hard to envision them as anything but sociopaths, and you wonder is Jrod the same or naive?
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May 27, 2016 14:43
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oh my god it's beautiful edit: I mean, I'm thousands of posts behind in this thread because I'm afraid if I skip ahead I'll miss something amazing like jrod coming out as an antivaxxer or that asdf guy choosing loving lawn darts of all things as his hill to die on, and just by chance I look at the thread this morning and see jrod with the PERMABANNED avatar and it just happened yesterday. Magical. 
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Uroboros posted:That's the thing though. It isn't like I was unaware, just having a decent grasp of history tells me Libertarians are loving idiots, but when I read those books and you grasp just how insanely cruel and greedy these people were you just want to take Jrod and through him out a god drat window. He (as well as a number of other libertarians) have made both opposing arguments, depending on what they were trying to convince you of*, either: 1. Libertarianism/free-marketeering is cruel and helps the rich/hurts the poor but is inherently more "fair" and therefore good, not unlike Harvey Dent's coin-flipping 2. Libertarianism opposes crony capitalism which should make socialists happy because it gets the government out of tipping the scales against poor people which will allow them to flourish (ignoring that crony capitalism is inherent to capitalism and power structures anyway) The first argument is way less disingenuous but way more horrible, and I'm at a loss to discern which one is actually worse. *not unlike Bitcoiners and their it's not a currency, but a commodity/it's not a commodity, but a currency shtick.
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May 27, 2016 15:13
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mojo1701a posted:He (as well as a number of other libertarians) have made both opposing arguments, depending on what they were trying to convince you of*, either: I often hear number 2, which is mind boggling, and the same kind that came up over the latest financial crisis. It is as if only poor people and politicians have agency in their actions, the wealthy are merely slaves to the profit-motive, if the government officials(that I paid) hadn't of passed that legislation that made it so profitable to drive the economy to ruin, I wouldn't of done it.
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May 27, 2016 15:17
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I'm pretty sure jrod didn't respond to a single one of my posts in this thread, though when one of the other short-lived libertarian guests did reply to me directly it was a succession of failures to get the point of what I was saying.
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May 27, 2016 17:52
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I just had a classmate tell me that racism in hiring practices doesn't exist and never existed and can never exist because profit motive makes it impossible. All the evidence to the contrary is apparently people mistakenly believing that racism exists because logic precludes racism. Is there some comprehensive resource about this?
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May 27, 2016 17:56
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What he means to say is that black people are just less capable and less hard working than white people 
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May 27, 2016 18:00
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QuarkJets posted:What he means to say is that black people are just less capable and less hard working than white people Oh yes of course, how could I have forgotten. We are truly lost without lord jrod here.
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May 27, 2016 18:05
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Dr. Stab posted:I just had a classmate tell me that racism in hiring practices doesn't exist and never existed and can never exist because profit motive makes it impossible. All the evidence to the contrary is apparently people mistakenly believing that racism exists because logic precludes racism. Is there some comprehensive resource about this? I mean, the resume studies are pretty clear about this. And it's not some volunteer studies or anything where bad methodology could have a big impact, it's just "scientists send out fake resumes online to real businesses, and the made up black people have a much harder time getting interviews than the identical made up white people." There's a lot on those studies if you google them. Where to go from there depends on how he responds.
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May 27, 2016 18:37
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Dr. Stab posted:Oh yes of course, how could I have forgotten. We are truly lost without lord jrod here. See, this is the reason our innately superior libertarian masters should be freed to be in charge. Their time preference allows them to remember things longer than us plebs.
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May 27, 2016 18:37
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My favorite was when Jrod demonstrated that he couldn't interpret the very graphs that he posted. Unemployment increased from 2007 to 2009? Must have been minimum wage increases, I can't think of anything else that could cause that. And that's just one of several times.Caros posted:Technically he didn't threaten this. He threatened to chargeback if he was banned this time and to never come back afterwards. I mean that is probably still a banable offense considering he's publicly stating he's going to commit very lovely fraud, but it is actually different from what he was banned for. Ha, I noticed this too. Shine shall rue the day he permabanned Jrod, forever starving and destitute after Jrod's magnanimous contribution of  goes away.
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May 27, 2016 19:03
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man though i liked when that shinraito (or whatever the gently caress that mid-30s finnish ancap was called) tried standing up for jrod
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May 27, 2016 19:06
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Dr. Stab posted:I just had a classmate tell me that racism in hiring practices doesn't exist and never existed and can never exist because profit motive makes it impossible. All the evidence to the contrary is apparently people mistakenly believing that racism exists because logic precludes racism. Is there some comprehensive resource about this? Ask him what makes him think humans are rational actors?
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May 27, 2016 19:08
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:man though i liked when that shinraito (or whatever the gently caress that mid-30s finnish ancap was called) tried standing up for jrod The guy that had a nuclear meltdown literally two posts in? Man, that was a wild ride.
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May 27, 2016 19:17
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Haha, that guy was the best. Shiro: "Hey there statists, ready for me to blow your mind? Taxation... is theft." Thread: "We have some objections to your line of argument there." Shiro: 
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May 27, 2016 19:29
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That one sounds worth reading, can anyone link me?
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May 27, 2016 19:50
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OwlFancier posted:Ask him what makes him think humans are rational actors? I don't think I want to go down that rabbit hole. The argument basically went something like "Affirmative action is discriminatory" "Isn't it worth it to offset another discrimination" "Well, if we lived in a meritocracy, discrimination wouldn't exist" "We don't live in a meritocracy." "Economically it doesn't make sense, if someone were discriminating they would make less money and someone else would come in and force them out of the market" "Okay, well it's great to say a priori that discrimination can't exist, but how do you explain that it does?" "It doesn't. Besides, we don't need affirmative action because we already have discrimination laws." "Why do we have laws against discrimination to begin with if discrimination can't exist?" "Because people mistakenly believed that it did." "Discrimination in hiring has never existed?" "Yes." I was at a loss for words and then we had to leave. This all started because he was talking about economics (America will force Mexico to build the wall by cutting off all trade. America should cut all trade with China in order to force China to make their economy better and fix their human rights) and brought up social justice warriors. I asked him what sjws had to do with economics, and then he started talking about how they want to "discriminate against the majority population" with affirmative action. I don't really mind the crazy Donald Trump economics, or being threatened by sjws or even believing that racism is over, but believing that racism has never existed is super crazy. So to me, it's not really that he is of a certain political element, or that he's factually wrong, but that he's so blatantly factually wrong that he appears to live in a different universe. I don't really want to convert him from libertarianism, just teach him this one fact.
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Here's my favorite Jrod moment, when RuanGacho asked him to respond to the fact that jrod kept lumping him in with politicians just because he worked in Government IT:jrodefeld posted:Your not going to like what I am about to say, and I am sure you are a perfectly nice and well meaning person. But I think you have chosen an immoral career path. Can your skills and ability not help you to find a job in the private economy? Your salary is directly funded by taxpayers and there is no price mechanism to determine if what you do is actually needed or desired by consumers. I would feel very uncomfortable if my salary was paid by using force to expropriate people against their will. A person's salary should be determined through free negotiation between employer and employee and the wages should come from customer sales that are made voluntarily. And I can't find it, but I swear that later on someone asks "Hey, jrod, if you could get a government job that paid a lot and had awesome benefits, wouldn't you take it?" and he said that he totally would. WampaLord fucked around with this message at 20:12 on May 27, 2016 |
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Dr. Stab posted:I don't think I want to go down that rabbit hole. Does he realise that trade is bilateral? What is his actual academic subject? I guess I find it easier to believe he's just racist than I do to believe some of the other poo poo he's coming out with. I mean yes affirmative action is discriminatory that's the point, because committment to equality does not mean wilful blindness to inequality it means commitment to equality of outcome, which means acting to offset institutional inequality. Sticking your fingers in your ears and refusing to acknowledge the existence of inequality does not fight it. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 20:17 on May 27, 2016 |
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WampaLord posted:Here's my favorite Jrod moment, when RuanGacho asked him to respond to the fact that jrod kept lumping him in with politicians just because he worked in Government IT: Oh! Oh! And that time it turned out he benefitted from a combination of family assistance and public subsidies to survive a health crisis! That was a good one, if I'm remembering it right.
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May 27, 2016 20:15
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"Racism" was invented by Lenin, so it all checks out.
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May 27, 2016 20:16
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I found it!!RuanGacho posted:The market obviously provided employment for him. jrodefeld posted:You know what? I'm going to take back some of my comments about "bureaucrats". My beef is not really with the average government contractor who is just trying to provide for this family. People have to survive in the system as it exists not as they would like it to be.
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Guilty Spork posted:I'm pretty sure jrod didn't respond to a single one of my posts in this thread, though when one of the other short-lived libertarian guests did reply to me directly it was a succession of failures to get the point of what I was saying. he only replied to me a handful of times and the last time was the COME AT ME post
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Dr. Stab posted:I just had a classmate tell me that racism in hiring practices doesn't exist and never existed and can never exist because profit motive makes it impossible. All the evidence to the contrary is apparently people mistakenly believing that racism exists because logic precludes racism. Is there some comprehensive resource about this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot
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Even if we assume humans are rational actors, if they start from the premise "black people are subhuman" then they can extrapolate all sorts of rationally unpleasant stuff from that.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:That one sounds worth reading, can anyone link me? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3636681&pagenumber=59&perpage=40#post436105896
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Introductory post at Oct 11, 2014 06:55shiranaihito posted:Alright, I'll stop here. Don't be afraid of thinking for yourselves. It'll sting for a while, but you'll be glad you started. Several half-hearted floundering attempts at debate later, Oct 11, 2014 09:36 shiranaihito posted:
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theshim posted:The Shiranaihito meltdown only lasts a couple pages but it's still pretty gorgeous. This is definitely worth it, it's like condensed, purestrain jrod. i think Shiranaihito is my favourite SA libertarian except for paradol ex, who will always have a special place in my heart
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theshim posted:The Shiranaihito meltdown only lasts a couple pages but it's still pretty gorgeous. I thought it was particularly funny given that, if my two years of Japanese classes are serving me right, "shiranai hito" basically means "person who doesn't care". I'm not sure how he intended it to be interpreted but it seemed to match his extreme arrogance pretty well.
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And then Shiranaihito came back, whined more, told Jrod that he was wasting his time, and stormed off in a huff. It was beautiful. He was everything that Jrod was, but condensed and concentrated. Who was that literal white supremacist we had? The guy who outright stated he used to be libertarian but then switched because he thought that a government would be better at segregation? That was also pretty great/terrifying.
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Karia posted:And then Shiranaihito came back, whined more, told Jrod that he was wasting his time, and stormed off in a huff. It was beautiful. He was everything that Jrod was, but condensed and concentrated. You might be thinking of either fascism advocate Emden, or neo-Confederate i hate yankees?
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Karia posted:And then Shiranaihito came back, whined more, told Jrod that he was wasting his time, and stormed off in a huff. It was beautiful. He was everything that Jrod was, but condensed and concentrated. Why hello there (pg 120 of this thread). LuftWaffle posted:I didn't once call anyone a sheep brainwashed by the state or anything close to that. I'm not even anti-statist anymore. I even explicitly stated in my comment that a state can be justified. What I am saying is that since nobody here is actually anti-statist, it's just a circlejerk of strawmen and annoying snarkasm that no sensible person would actually want to engage with. Imagine going to a tea party website where no one knows what they're loving talking about and they're all lamenting the fact that an actual communist won't come to get rekt by their amazing debate skillz. Even if you went there and presented perfectly coherent arguments you'd be deluged by insults, crappy strawmen, and illogical nonsense.
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May 27, 2016 22:21
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I remember that guy. He wasn't one of the regulars, it was a new guy who got banned pretty quickly.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:You might be thinking of either fascism advocate Emden, or neo-Confederate i hate yankees? We never had an Emden post in this thread sadly. Y'all should totally check out his rap sheet though.
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May 27, 2016 22:30
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Corvinus posted:Why hello there (pg 120 of this thread). Lol that loving post. It's like "Okay a lot of this is debatable and a little overly simplistic, but its not entirely unreasonable. I wonder what exactly he means by good people." and then BOOM racism.
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Are we reminiscing before the thread is closed, or is somebody gonna volunteer* to post lewrockwell and mises articles on a regular basis? * As a statist, I believe Men With Guns should compel someone to do this, but we haven't reached that ideal level of tyranny yet.
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I still think this thread should be sent to the 4C because everyone here is good people I enjoy reading the posts of. Especially now that our namesake has been slain for the last time.
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May 27, 2016 23:05
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Corvinus posted:Why hello there (pg 120 of this thread). Ohh yeah, I remember that guy now!
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