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Crowsbeak posted:It is horrible, Labor camps are a better way, it gives them a chance to reform, and appreciate their lives and being part of a greater whole. Reform by learning how a society does not function solely as a series of business contracts with perfect information.
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Ghetto Prince posted:The big thing that still worries me about this election is how Trump has made it so acceptable to openly hate and attack Muslims, because I know the kind of people who will go after them are going to feel empowered to do the same poo poo to black people and jews again, and probably hispanic and gay people now too. Shouldn't that order be inverted? I feel like openly hating the gays and Latinos is still a bit more acceptable than blacks and Jews, but the latter two are starting to slide. But maybe I'm just basing all that on the usual bigots around me and Trump is having a different effect.
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May 28, 2016 04:48
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Ghetto Prince posted:The big thing that still worries me about this election is how Trump has made it so acceptable to openly hate and attack Muslims, because I know the kind of people who will go after them are going to feel empowered to do the same poo poo to black people and jews again, and probably hispanic and gay people now too. Isn't it possible to hate Muslims without being a jack-of-all-trades bigot?
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May 28, 2016 05:16
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SealHammer posted:Isn't it possible to hate Muslims without being a jack-of-all-trades bigot? No not really. It's an icy slope.
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May 28, 2016 05:39
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SealHammer posted:Isn't it possible to hate Muslims without being a jack-of-all-trades bigot? Ask Bibi?
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May 28, 2016 05:43
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Grognan posted:poo poo probably got reeeeeeaaallll complicated once an investigation started and someone is going to be making decisions of this nature. quote:
There we have it - there have never been death threats against abortion providers or other women's health officials. When someone without their head firmly lodged in their colon reads that, the message is clear: this person should die, whoever does it is right in doing so. At extreme risk of primary talk - there's only a single claim out of that whole fracas that I question. There's an accusation that the rule requiring delegates to be a member of the party by a specific date was adopted after the date had passed. I've seen it anywhere from "the first vote at the convention" to adopted beforehand, but it's not something I've been able to get a concrete claim on. Is there anything to that or is it just a conspiracy theory from /r/the_sanders? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Harik posted:There we have it - there have never been death threats against abortion providers or other women's health officials. When someone without their head firmly lodged in their colon reads that, the message is clear: this person should die, whoever does it is right in doing so. Lol "I didn't SPECIFICALLY lay out a plan to kill you, so it's unfair to take my suggestion you should be murdered as a threat!" And I don't know what the exact rules were, but half of the rules committee was Sanders supporters, so whatever the rule was his team agreed to it. But it doesn't even matter because literally HUNDREDS of his delegates didn't even show. The five people who bothered to show up AND got disqualified for party registration reasons weren't going to swing things.
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May 28, 2016 06:08
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We're not going to ban general election chat like we do primary chat, are we? It'll be ridiculous if the USPOL October thread can't talk about the election.
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Harik posted:There we have it - there have never been death threats against abortion providers or other women's health officials. When someone without their head firmly lodged in their colon reads that, the message is clear: this person should die, whoever does it is right in doing so. That actually makes a lot of sense. "I will kill you" is a threat, "you should be killed" is an opinion. If the latter is defined as a threat, then half of D&D is going to the pokey for saying that such and such will be "first against the wall".
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May 28, 2016 06:18
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:People are a little off base in what Trump is suggesting here. Right now the Sacramento Delta is not being drained of water at full speed because of a tiny endangered fish that keeps getting sucked into the pumping system. This, combined with new rules to limit the rate at which we drain the aquifer are what really has a bug up the rear end of the central valley, it's not about the water we get from Colorado. Maybe if the central valley wasn't packed full of assholes running money laundering operations and calling them dairy ranches and almond farms they wouldn't be so ostentatiously touchy about water.
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May 28, 2016 06:22
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boom boom boom posted:That actually makes a lot of sense. "I will kill you" is a threat, "you should be killed" is an opinion. If the latter is defined as a threat, then half of D&D is going to the pokey for saying that such and such will be "first against the wall". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmiKenqLVAU
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May 28, 2016 06:24
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boom boom boom posted:That actually makes a lot of sense. "I will kill you" is a threat, "you should be killed" is an opinion. If the latter is defined as a threat, then half of D&D is going to the pokey for saying that such and such will be "first against the wall". Well, you see it doesn't apply to me because
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boom boom boom posted:That actually makes a lot of sense. "I will kill you" is a threat, "you should be killed" is an opinion. If the latter is defined as a threat, then half of D&D is going to the pokey for saying that such and such will be "first against the wall". Tell that to Thomas Becket.
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there wolf posted:Tell that to Thomas Becket. If you got a point, let me know, 'cause I ain't reading that whole Wikipedia page
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boom boom boom posted:If you got a point, let me know, 'cause I ain't reading that whole Wikipedia page
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WampaLord posted:We're not going to ban general election chat like we do primary chat, are we? It'll be ridiculous if the USPOL October thread can't talk about the election. We're discussing it.
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May 28, 2016 06:45
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mrfishstick posted:The Atlantic interviewed an early 20s Silicon Valley Libertarian about why he supports Trump. It's a depressing read as you would expect: Asian girlfriend/wife seems to be a required accessory for racist white guy everywhere.
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May 28, 2016 06:50
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WampaLord posted:We're not going to ban general election chat like we do primary chat, are we? It'll be ridiculous if the USPOL October thread can't talk about the election. Primary chat is banned because it inevitably descends into a slap fight between Clinton and Sanders supporters. General chat won't have that problem.
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1stGear posted:Primary chat is banned because it inevitably descends into a slap fight between Clinton and Sanders supporters. General chat won't have that problem. That's a very optimistic thing to say
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1stGear posted:Primary chat is banned because it inevitably descends into a slap fight between Clinton and Sanders supporters. General chat won't have that problem. I see you haven't visited the general election thread recently.
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May 28, 2016 07:01
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blackmongoose posted:Who will rid us of this troublesome shitposter? You're telling me knights will ride out and murder someone because I talk poo poo about them on the internet? Oh wow, I've made a lot of saints then.
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May 28, 2016 07:03
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boom boom boom posted:That actually makes a lot of sense. "I will kill you" is a threat, "you should be killed" is an opinion. If the latter is defined as a threat, then half of D&D is going to the pokey for saying that such and such will be "first against the wall". There's some nuance to be gained here. Going around and talking about saving babies from murdering abortion doctors directly leads to the death of Dr. Tillman. Anti-muslim rhetoric has lead to attacks against anyone vaguely arabic-looking. The difference is that those words come from someone with power to their followers. I was just being snide that the article was handwaving away the threats with a fallacious argument. Edit: As for the second half of my question, I can't find anything anywhere that indicates that the May 1st deadline was changed between the initial caucus and the state convention. I don't even know what the conspiracy theory is - the republican-run election commission swaps the registration of democrats as a favor to the DNC so they can reject the_bernie's delegates? Unless someone else has heard something I'm going to file it under long-form birth certificates. Harik fucked around with this message at 07:22 on May 28, 2016 |
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It seems to me like the difference between saying "you should be shot" and "you should be first against the wall/struck by lightning/etc" is that I actually could shoot you if I decided to.
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Chantilly Say posted:It seems to me like the difference between saying "you should be shot" and "you should be first against the wall/struck by lightning/etc" is that I actually could shoot you if I decided to.
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May 28, 2016 07:29
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Chantilly Say posted:It seems to me like the difference between saying "you should be shot" and "you should be first against the wall/struck by lightning/etc" is that I actually could shoot you if I decided to. You do know that "against the wall" means "get shot", right?
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May 28, 2016 07:31
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Jimbozig posted:And where does public hanging for corruption fall on that spectrum? Somewhere around putting them against the wall, since both are organized public executions, right? So your argument is on the side of the article that said it was not a death threat. I can't tell if that is what you intended, though - clarify? One of them has happened in American history and the other has not. That context is important.
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Asher Edelman, one of the real life inspirations for Gordon Gekko, is at it again. Sure he's a sociopath who really really likes making money, but also he doesn't really give a poo poo if you don't like what he says, as revealed by the last time he was on a news program. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwK3-pdLH7A
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boom boom boom posted:You do know that "against the wall" means "get shot", right? The Trump Wall will have spikes for mounting the corpses of the libs
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May 28, 2016 07:41
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Chantilly Say posted:One of them has happened in American history and the other has not. That context is important. I feel like you're splitting a lot of hairs just to be able to publicly wish death on someone while condemning others for doing the same
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May 28, 2016 07:49
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Crowsbeak posted:It is horrible, Labor camps are a better way, it gives them a chance to reform, and appreciate their lives and being part of a greater whole. All that time to work really should allow them to concentrate on being better citizens.
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May 28, 2016 07:57
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The real difference here is between shitposting on the internet about the revolution that is never coming ("first against the wall" etc) and calling a person and leaving them a message that can be easily construed as a threat. "Don't leave threatening voicemails" isn't some slippery slope that will undermine freedom of speech.
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boom boom boom posted:I feel like you're splitting a lot of hairs just to be able to publicly wish death on someone while condemning others for doing the same That's this forum in a nutshell. Or basic human nature in a nutshell, really.
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citybeatnik posted:Or basic human nature in a nutshell, really.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:No, Facebook guy from HS. If it was someone in facilities I would report the gently caress out of something that racist and blatant. send a screenshot of it to their employer
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Anecdote time: I was able to talk with my mom in just casual conversation that, after talking religion, came to politics. We began talking about the Presidential election. She has probably voted Republican (she does not really talk politics) in past elections. Her takes on politics right now: 1) She hates Trump. She hates how he name calls people. She hates how he trashes people. She hates everything that come out of him. She cannot understand why these people support him. 2) She does not really like Hillary either but "at least she is not Trump". She would be really willing to vote for Bernie because "he seems sincere in what he talks about". She said that she is either going to not vote or she is going to vote against Trump. 3) She asked me if I thought Obama had done well as President and I said that he did the best that he could. She agreed and said that he could only do so much with the Republicans blocking everything that he wants to do. She used the Supreme Court nominee as the prime example of how Republicans just do not want to do anything now. The Republican Party has broken my mom. She no longer can understand why they are doing any of this and Trump was the final straw apparently. I wonder how many other Republican voters feel the same.
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Your mom is what is generally accepted as a moderate, which is more or less defined now as not being totally blind in party loyalty, and tell her she is not alone. Independents and right leaning moderates are, according to most polling over the last year, utterly repulsed by Trump. Most are only willing to stay home, not vote Democrat, though. It's as good as a vote for Hillary though considering that the GOP starts off with a handicap so whatever you. Her opinion may change over the next 6 months though, depending on her thoughts on Dubbya, because Trump is rapidly approaching officially stuffed suit status (which is why so many former GOPe enemies have been happy to endorse him lately), but generally speaking people don't recover from being seen as fundamentally loathsome Epic High Five fucked around with this message at 14:06 on May 28, 2016 |
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Epic High Five posted:Her opinion may change over the next 6 months though, depending on her thoughts on Dubbya, because Trump is rapidly approaching officially stuffed suit status (which is why so many former GOPe enemies have been happy to endorse him lately), but generally speaking people don't recover from being seen as fundamentally loathsome Trump has toned down the rear end in a top hat basically not at all since clinching though?
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Litany Unheard posted:"Don't leave threatening voicemails" isn't some slippery slope that will undermine freedom of speech. It actually does, though. Prosecuting someone for saying "someone should hang you for how corrupt you are" is probably covered by the Watts decision.
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sean10mm posted:Trump has toned down the rear end in a top hat basically not at all since clinching though? oh no he's pretty close to the same bloviating rear end in a top hat he's been the whole time, probably much to the annoyance of Manafort, but his actual policy team and the people running his campaign are all the neoest of the neo-cons (including Woody Johnson and Sheldon Adelson, who Trump literally said their presence was automatically corrupting in any campaign) and he's literally said he planned on farming out as much of his policy to the Heritage Foundation, including SCOTUS picks Behind the scenes he's primed to put Dubbya to shame in terms of being a puppet. Like literally the first thing he did after Cruz dropped was bring on a Goldman Sachs insider to be his campaign finance guy and, in all probability, shape his finance policy
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