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Finally got around to seeing Apocalypse, found it to be solidly ok. Liked Days of Future Past better. Not the best film I've seen this year, not the worst. Granted I've only seen four movies this year and they're all comic book movies. I don't go to the cinema much these days.
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Spider-Man 2 and X2 are pretty great from what I remember. The first movies don't hold up, but they were good for their time. I think I remember way more about DoFP than I do First Class. All of the scenes with the actual First Class kinda sucked. And so did uh....Kevin Bacon's Mean Mutants. Omnomnomnivore posted:The kiss/reaction shot in Civil War was funny, but I didn't like it because it felt like the movie insecurely yelling no homo. Is there something my heterosexual male brain is just not processing here? I never got the impression that Cap was trying to gently caress Bucky. He's trying pretty hard to save an innocent man who is being wrongly persecuted (and then executed). A man who also saved his life. That's what Cap does.
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May 27, 2016 17:32
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2 men cannot be friends without secretly wanting to gently caress.
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May 27, 2016 17:34
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If Bucky had been female, and the events of the MCU played out the same, nobody would be seeing any problem with them being in (EDIT for pedants) Romantic love. That's the crux of the argument, I believe.
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May 27, 2016 17:51
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The movies have made it clear they love each other. Whether you think it's platonic or romantic is up to you.
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May 27, 2016 17:52
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I still don't get why people say that kiss is a rushed attempt to give Steve a love interest, they have 0 chemistry the whole movie, when they kiss they both just go "yeah this is dumb/too late" and end that subplot.
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May 27, 2016 17:53
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AdjectiveNoun posted:If Bucky had been female, and the events of the MCU played out the same, nobody would be seeing any problem with them being in (EDIT for pedants) Romantic love. That's the crux of the argument, I believe. Haha, a female headlining an MCU movie. You're in the wrong franchise, you Joker.
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May 27, 2016 17:59
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AdjectiveNoun posted:If Bucky had been female, and the events of the MCU played out the same, nobody would be seeing any problem with them being in love. That's the crux of the argument, I believe. If Bucky had been female and the events of the MCU played out the exact same, them being in love would be both a bad character move that removes the texture of their relationship and would have also introduced a bunch of super troubling elements to their relationship, namely everything about how Bucky's been corrupted or that everything Bucky does for Cap (or Cap does for Bucky) is because of either true wuv or Bucky needing to be saved from herself by her boyfriend. The exact same people, the exact same people, urging that their ship needs to be canon would have been freaking out on tumblr that Jamie Barnes and Steve Rogers are dating because it's once again cooking down a female superhero to being a love interest who needs to be saved from herself by the white cishet superhero. Probably would add in a bunch of stuff about how the mind-control/rape elements to Winter Soldier are gross due to the romance context. And they wouldn't be wrong. Bucky and Steve are awesome friends. Make Steve as gay as you want but making them lovers makes everything they do for each other in WS and CW (and even First Avenger, if I'm being honest) really gross and weird. Steve joins the military because he admires Bucky, not because he wants to gently caress him.
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May 27, 2016 18:01
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:I still don't get why people say that kiss is a rushed attempt to give Steve a love interest, they have 0 chemistry the whole movie, when they kiss they both just go "yeah this is dumb/too late" and end that subplot. Their exchange after the kiss is: SC: "that was.." Cap: "Late" SC: "drat right" They both smile and look at each other She runs her hand down Cap's arm, "I should go" Both of them continue to smirk at each other then she walks away MacheteZombie fucked around with this message at 18:15 on May 27, 2016 |
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May 27, 2016 18:05
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They say it's all downhill after the first kiss.
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May 27, 2016 18:08
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Probably Magic posted:That it isn't named "Just-rear end League," is a crime so bewildering that I can't even comprehend it. Endless Mike posted:What about an X-rated Superman movie? Do the creators of "Justice League: A Porn Parody" deserve jailtime? There is a reason for all this! Porn parodies are allowed be released because of Parody as a freedom of expression and done so in a way as not to cause confusion with the original brand. However it was discovered that by literally naming your film "X-Men: A Porn Parody" it was less likely to cause confusion then some pun like SeX-Men would. Because the former literally has the word parody in the title it's okay where as the latter doesn't. Then again those XXX porn parody guys are fans of the comics. They did after all do a full on Superman /Spider-man parody based on the 1970's crossover.
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May 27, 2016 18:10
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A better example of how bad of an idea Steve Rogers and Bucky in romantic love would be in the MCU was if they genderflipped Black Widow and then kept the plotline with Hulk in AoU the same, because that's essentially what the Steve/Bucky shippers are arguing should be canon. Hint: The Black Widow/Hulk romance wasn't just horrifically lovely because Black Widow was a woman, it had a bunch of really gross parallels to abusive relationships and how they should be addressed by abuse victims that made it ultra gross. It would've still been lovely and weird if Natasha Romanov was Nikolai Romanov, just less so (and would've removed such good good stuff as equivocating being sterile with being a giant green ragemonster).
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May 27, 2016 18:11
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I can see people not liking the Steve and Sharon relationship, but I don't get the "no homo" idea at all considering that the two characters had been flirting with each other periodically up to this point, she's literally his girlfriend from the comics, and he had been with Peggy in the first film anyway.
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May 27, 2016 18:11
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Gay's just a switch you can flip.
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May 27, 2016 18:12
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Something else to consider is that Sharon wouldn't have just heard about Steve Rogers from her aunt; she would have heard a fair bit about Bucky Barnes as well. It makes sense for her to be as invested in helping Bucky as she is in helping Steve. Heck, she has more motivation to do so than most of Team Cap.
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May 27, 2016 18:16
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Sion posted:Is it okay to admit that First Class was the only good x-men film and the rest of them have been alright B-movies to just a bit poo poo? Like- X1 and X2 really, really don't hold up well. No, because First Class has a lot of screen time of actors other than Fassbender, Macavoy, and Bacon and all those scenes are terrible.
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May 27, 2016 19:04
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Soonmot posted:No, because First Class has a lot of screen time of actors other than Fassbender, Macavoy, and Bacon and all those scenes are terrible. Yeah you can't admit something that ain't true. Honestly X2 is the best X-men movie by a mile. Most are bad.
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May 27, 2016 19:09
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Travis343 posted:X1 is nostalgia, X2 actually rules I liked X1 when it came (the first spandex superhero in the current wave, not counting Blade, if we're forgetting), but it's 90's as gently caress. Magneto and his Brotherhood of (three) Evil Mutants live in a sewer, Sabertooth is some LARP dude who throws a log at Wolverine, there's a showdown at the Statue of Liberty and everything is dark as heck to hide that the CGI budget probably wasn't that huge. Frankly it's not that far from F4 having the final showdown in some random parking lot. It's a miracle it had so many A-list actors. And let's not forget that it kicked off the currently 16-year superhero movie fire hose with a clip from not-Schindler's List.
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May 27, 2016 19:10
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Nobody gets killed in X-Men 1 either, like it was an episode of the cartoon. I think Sabretooth falls maybe?
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BrianWilly posted:I can see people not liking the Steve and Sharon relationship, but I don't get the "no homo" idea at all considering that the two characters had been flirting with each other periodically up to this point, she's literally his girlfriend from the comics, and he had been with Peggy in the first film anyway. I guess the Sharon thing is so underdeveloped compared to everything else that it stands out as a little suspicious. It's by far from the worst "reassure the audience that the hero is straight" thing that pops up in movies (looking at you, JJ Trek), but it fits that trend. And to be clear, I'm not mad that my movie heroes aren't more gay, I just wish filmmakers would trust audiences not to panic when the story is about a relationship between two men. Soonmot posted:No, because First Class has a lot of screen time of actors other than Fassbender, Macavoy, and Bacon and all those scenes are terrible. I prefer First Class to DoFP, and it's probably the best directed X movie, but it would be way better if the whole movie was Magneto: Nazi Hunter with Xavier in a supporting role.
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Aphrodite posted:Nobody gets killed in X-Men 1 either, like it was an episode of the cartoon. I think Sabretooth falls maybe? No one dies? Excuse me. What do you think happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning?
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May 27, 2016 19:24
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Aphrodite posted:Nobody gets killed in X-Men 1 either, like it was an episode of the cartoon. I think Sabretooth falls maybe? Senator Kelly gets killed.
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Cocks Cable posted:No one dies? Excuse me. What do you think happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning? It croaks
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Sefer posted:Senator Kelly gets killed. And Henry Gyrich, IIRC. He was mauled by Sabretooth and then Mystique stole his identity.
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Anora posted:That's basically what I was saying. You're misunderstanding me. It is reaching to say that the bro nod gag is an "ah-ha" moment for the audience. The audience already knows perfectly well that Cap is the one that people believe in. The gag is just a gag. It's merely in-character, a low-bar. The gag isn't the problem in itself. Meanwhile the main character and their love-interest's niece are kissing. There's some latent weirdness in their relationship, but the film adds a gag in. The gag makes people laugh, the superpowers do a bro nod just like regular people do. But why does Sharon and Cap need to be defused? Arctic Baldwin posted:That's not reaching at all. Sam didn't like Bucky. Bucky didn't like Sam, going as far to not move his seat. Cap does something they like and they display their mutual appreciation with a fist bump You're killing me here. Sam was an inconsequential character, and his specific relationship with Bucky is doubly inconsequential. You're saying a 3 second gag was vitally important because it demonstrated the relationship arc of those two? SonicRulez posted:Is there something my heterosexual male brain is just not processing here? I never got the impression that Cap was trying to gently caress Bucky. He's trying pretty hard to save an innocent man who is being wrongly persecuted (and then executed). A man who also saved his life. That's what Cap does. Cap isn't in love with Bucky, he just thinks Bucky can bring him back in time. The best scene in Civil war is probably the one in the jet when Cap desperately tries to reminisce with Bucky about '40s Brooklyn.
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AdjectiveNoun posted:If Bucky had been female, and the events of the MCU played out the same, nobody would be seeing any problem with them being in (EDIT for pedants) Romantic love. That's the crux of the argument, I believe. I have yet to see any intelligent person have a problem with it outside of the fact that it doesn't really make any sense. It runs against everything we know about Cap's sexual orientation as defined by the movies. He was into Peggy in Cap 1. He was obviously into Sharon in Cap 2. He was fumbling his way through asking her out before he found Fury dying in his living room. Are people having a problem with considering that some things happen offscreen? They work together. Why is this not to be expected in some way? Slim Jim Pickens posted:Cap isn't in love with Bucky, he just thinks Bucky can bring him back in time. The best scene in Civil war is probably the one in the jet when Cap desperately tries to reminisce with Bucky about '40s Brooklyn. Is that the scene where Bucky says "Yeah, but I still did it" cause that scene did kick a lot of rear end. BrianWilly posted:I can see people not liking the Steve and Sharon relationship, but I don't get the "no homo" idea at all considering that the two characters had been flirting with each other periodically up to this point, she's literally his girlfriend from the comics, and he had been with Peggy in the first film anyway. Yeah, this is where I landed. It's like being totally confused if you're watching Arrow and they write Oliver with Laurel.
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ImpAtom posted:JK Simmons is currently Commissioner Gordon for the new Batman so it's unlikely he'd get double cast regardless of being Literally Perfect for the role. I'll accept JK Simmons to become Gordon as long as he plays it EXACTLY like Terrence Fletcher from Whiplash.
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May 27, 2016 23:15
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Personally, I shop Steve/Tony. I kept expecting someone to crack a "Mom and dad are fighting" joke about them in Civil War.
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May 28, 2016 00:22
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Dunno how i got a place where Captain America is my second fav Marvel movie character. He's a loving machine.
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twistedmentat posted:100% behind you on that. And now it means that the X-men (as in the team in the movie) is again, a bunch of white kids. haha oh no
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Dexo posted:It's almost like Captain America was always literally the Nazi ideal, and would fit right in with being a Hydra sleeper agent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6G7ontRInU
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So, X-Men Apocalypse had an incredibly bad opening Friday, with 26 million in ticket sales (this counts an 8.2 million Thursday night, so it didn't even break 20 million on Friday in actuality). For comparison, DOFP had a 35 million Friday leading in to a 110 million dollar four-day weekend. Apocalypse might not even break 80 million in its opening weekend at this rate, which'll be disastrous for its domestic totals. Looks like reviews really did affect ticket sales, since Alice 2 had a very very very weak opening Friday as well (and thus it wasn't like Apocalypse's opening was blunted by Alice 2's). NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 19:22 on May 28, 2016 |
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May 28, 2016 18:50
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I wonder if the allegations of Depp beating his wife are hurting Alice 2 as well.
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So, is Singer a pedophile or not?
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Cardboard Box A posted:Hi I am a comic book fan who wears mirrored shades and pentagram shirts and I am really mad about Captain America being a Hydra agent and being written by a FAR LEFT LIBERAL This guy could have a fantastic career in Right wing radio talk shows. That's not a compliment Fsmhunk posted:So, is Singer a pedophile or not? He's a creepy guy who sexually exploits minors/barely legal teens, even if he didn't explicitly broke the law what he's done is real shady. Here's a fun clip that got posted in CineD about the Russos inabilty to shoot a scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huyVs3QiK1c
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McCloud posted:Here's a fun clip that got posted in CineD about the Russos inabilty to shoot a scene Ugh, I haven't seen Civil War in like three weeks and I can still tell most of this is wholly disingenuous.
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May 28, 2016 22:34
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IM2 Black Widow looks really weird nowadays
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Something kind of weird I noticed in the credits for X-Men Apocalypse was a bit at the very end stating that they received no money/promotional assistance for having tobacco products in the movie.
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muscles like this? posted:Something kind of weird I noticed in the credits for X-Men Apocalypse was a bit at the very end stating that they received no money/promotional assistance for having tobacco products in the movie. Any movie that has a tobacco product displays that these days. It's been that way for several years, but I'm not sure when that started.
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Jubilee isn't cut from Apocalypse, by the way. She appears in several scenes and has a few lines. It does seem they cut the mall scenes though, with the record store and stuff, which I assume was her biggest part. We know they shot those because there were paparazzi photos of them.
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