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Yukako is clearly sexist. She is the only female enemy stand user in Part 4 and her defining trait and motivation is that she is madly in love with a protagonist. On top of that she is crazy, which is a label almost exclusively given to women who act in a way men find undesirable. That she was created as a reaction to a trend of portraying all women as submissive moes isn't much as a defense, because he's just going to the other extreme of one dimensional female stereotypes. If you want to make a non-sexist character as a reaction to sexist portrayals by your peers then make a well rounded character. That said, if you can't enjoy any media that has a hint of being problematic you're going to have a bad time.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:The thing that does bug me about Yukako is that she just isn't grounded by the end of this story. Well, she would have been if Koichi weren't on the ball.
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May 28, 2016 16:47
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May 28, 2016 16:48
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Schwarzwald posted:Well, she would have been if Koichi weren't on the ball. Nah, she would have been pretty watered down then.
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May 28, 2016 16:51
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CJ posted:Yukako is clearly sexist. She is the only female enemy stand user in Part 4 and her defining trait and motivation is that she is madly in love with a protagonist. On top of that she is crazy, which is a label almost exclusively given to women who act in a way men find undesirable. That she was created as a reaction to a trend of portraying all women as submissive moes isn't much as a defense, because he's just going to the other extreme of one dimensional female stereotypes. If you want to make a non-sexist character as a reaction to sexist portrayals by your peers then make a well rounded character. The previous enemy stand users, in order
Okayasu is the only one of those who wasn't an awful human being in some way. My point being, pretty much every stand user they fight is lovely, and it's not like Yukako's motivations are somehow singled out as being worse than everyone else's
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May 28, 2016 16:59
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Schwarzwald posted:Well, she would have been if Koichi weren't on the ball. Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Nah, she would have been pretty watered down then. And lol
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May 28, 2016 16:59
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It's well known that there is a dearth of crazy males in fiction in general, it is true.
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May 28, 2016 17:00
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May 28, 2016 17:18
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Yes, Yukako is totally sexist Jojo is a series filled with casually offensive overtones. But it's also decades old and tons of fun and pretty harmless in its use of cartoony stereotypes so really who cares? Sexism being in an 80's shounen fighting manga and its direct adaptation shouldn't surprise anyone.
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May 28, 2016 19:45
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Hahahahah holy poo poo or holy sheeh RareAcumen posted:This is the episode where the love between Josuke and Okuyasu finally bursts all over the screen and makes a huge mess everywhere.  Somebody already whined that we were making too much of a big deal out of this episode but sorry, nah, it's probably impossible to overhype what's about to happen IMHO.
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May 28, 2016 20:08
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Augus posted:Yes, Yukako is totally sexist I sometimes wonder where the line is drawn between "A character who is simply crazy or psychotic" and "A sexist/racist/etc. character." I think if Yukako actually had a reason for liking Koichi, instead of just showing up out of the blue to serve as a plot point, she wouldn't be seen as sexist.
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May 28, 2016 20:15
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I thought the reason was that she noticed his personality shifted from being incredibly shy and timid to being more capable of standing up for himself due to becoming a Stand User.
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May 28, 2016 20:16
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May 28, 2016 20:17
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I thought the reason was that she noticed his personality shifted from being incredibly shy and timid to being more capable of standing up for himself due to becoming a Stand User. She didn't know he was a Stand User at first.
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May 28, 2016 20:17
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I thought the reason was that she noticed his personality shifted from being incredibly shy and timid to being more capable of standing up for himself due to becoming a Stand User.
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May 28, 2016 20:21
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:She didn't know he was a Stand User at first. Stand users are drawn to each other due to 「gravity」. It was probably a combination of that with him being more confident from his victory over Tamami. e: Oh wrong thread, so that first part doesn't make sense, but they are drawn to each other. And in the 「manga」, 「Araki」 makes 「liberal use」 of 「quotation marks」 and some 「translators」 leave them 「in」 rather than 「changing」 them to "western style". Begemot fucked around with this message at 20:27 on May 28, 2016 |
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May 28, 2016 20:21
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Turns out Stand users are also Newtypes
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May 28, 2016 20:27
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Yukako is pretty sexist, and the whole "crazy girlfriend" thing is, at this point, overdone to a ludicrous degree, but to be honest I've long since given up hope with the vast majority of shounen stuff so I can't bring myself to care overly much about something from the early 90s maybe being a little off, there are better female characters in later stories in Jojo, which is nice.
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May 28, 2016 20:27
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Dexie posted:What is this from? obligatorymorningfart, who you might recognize as the creator of the yare yare I've got a rumbly tumbly and Josuke/Okuyasu pothead comics
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May 28, 2016 20:39
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I love every single problematic aspect of Yukako and I can't wait for her later appearance which will undoubtedly rustle more jimmies
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May 28, 2016 20:39
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I sometimes wonder where the line is drawn between "A character who is simply crazy or psychotic" and "A sexist/racist/etc. character." I don't think it's that Yukako is a sexist character in and of herself, so much that the only major female character (outside of Josuke's mother) is both psychotic and in love (and psychotically in love) with a male lead. Sure, all the enemy stand users have also had major character flaws (to put it lightly), but you also have characters like Jotaro and Koichi who stand in contrast to them. There aren't any other female characters to stand in contrast to Yukako. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 21:04 on May 28, 2016 |
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May 28, 2016 21:01
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Schwarzwald posted:I don't think it's that Yukako is a sexist character in and of herself, so much that the only major female character (outside of Josuke's mother) is both psychotic and in love (and psychotically in love) with a male lead. That's a fair point. I can understand that sentiment.
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May 28, 2016 21:22
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Okuyasu Nijimura posted:Somebody already whined that we were making too much of a big deal out of this episode but sorry, nah, it's probably impossible to overhype what's about to happen IMHO.
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May 28, 2016 21:23
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yeah, out of all the scenes they could use to represent josuke in the part 1 OP they picked a panel from next week's events. it's not important to the main plot by any stretch but it's a wonderful bit of worldbuilding and adds a lot of character to the setting as a whole.
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May 28, 2016 21:28
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3jizrn For some reason this is no longer on youtube. 🤔
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May 28, 2016 21:30
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If you want to argue how the Yukako episode was sexist, might as well argue how part 3 was racist.
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May 28, 2016 22:15
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Bholder posted:If you want to argue how the Yukako episode was sexist, might as well argue how part 3 was racist. Or the fun conversations about national socialism.
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May 28, 2016 22:19
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Bholder posted:If you want to argue how the Yukako episode was sexist, might as well argue how part 3 was racist. 
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May 28, 2016 22:28
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Still my favorite exchange from the stardust crusaders thread
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May 28, 2016 23:09
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Bholder posted:If you want to argue how the Yukako episode was sexist, might as well argue how part 3 was racist. whatever do you mean 
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May 28, 2016 23:20
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Joseph Joestar assaults a Japanese man because a different Japanese man had the gall to marry his daughter.
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May 28, 2016 23:25
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Moltrey posted:Joseph Joestar assaults a Japanese man because a different Japanese man had the gall to marry his daughter. Don't get him started on the coffee.
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May 28, 2016 23:26
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and their small living quarters Joseph also refuses to call Holly by the name she asks him to that was given to her by her Japanese friends because it's Japanese I guess. Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 23:35 on May 28, 2016 |
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May 28, 2016 23:28
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Moltrey posted:and their small living quarters Joseph is the racist grandpa that embarrasses you in public.
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May 28, 2016 23:56
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He also had a tantrum in the middle of the street in China because they sell hot cola.
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Joseph owns and he's always right about everything
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May 29, 2016 00:02
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:He also had a tantrum in the middle of the street in China because they sell hot cola. He's fine with Chinese food, though.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:He's fine with Chinese food, though. Hes a brit. Its that colony thing. Been eatin china food for years
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Desperado Bones posted:Joseph is the racist grandpa that embarrasses you in public. No, Joseph is your FRIEND'S racist grandpa that embarasses your friend in public and you get to enjoy him squirming. Also c'mon, how did some people think Joseph cheating on someone was character assassination, look at how he acts in Parts 2 and 3. Look at that India line. He's an rear end in a top hat! also yukako is sexist hold dat bring back lisa lisa 2016
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Dias posted:No, Joseph is your FRIEND'S racist grandpa that embarasses your friend in public and you get to enjoy him squirming. YES Dias posted:Also c'mon, how did some people think Joseph cheating on someone was character assassination, look at how he acts in Parts 2 and 3. Look at that India line. He's an rear end in a top hat! He spied on his own mother and bullied an innocent cat. Edit: He was also friend with Nazis.
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