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Just finished the SoD expansion, finally. Can't say enough good things about it. But I gotta ask: Have/will Beamdog added the plot-threads from the final act of SoD into BG2? I'm specifically talking about (SoD endgame spoilers) Skie's murder, Irenicus framing you for it, and the big deal that's made about retrieving the Soultaker Dagger to maybe revive her and exonerate you. Speaking of which, a related question about Tales of the Sword Coast content in SoD: is the Soultaker Dagger the same one from the Tales of the Sword Coast expansion that you find on Demon Knight's corpse at the bottom of Durlag's Tower? The one that had Aec'Letec imprisoned in it? The name's the same, and in the cinematic where you remember Irenicus killing her, the dagger looks the same as its description art. How'd it get into Irenicus' hands? I'm pretty sure it's destroyed once Aec'Letec is released, insofar as it's not on his corpse or any of the cultists'. That's assuming you did the expansion, of course; otherwise I guess Irenicus just speedran through Durlag's Tower and now Skie is rooming with Aec'Letec. E: Oh, and for future reference, which is the save I should use to import into BG2 a couple months down the road? It automatically makes a save called "Final-Save" when you enter the final tower, but the game goes on for quite a bit longer after that, and I have manual saves from Chapter 13 (right before the expansion actually ends), so... which is the one? Cirosan fucked around with this message at 16:29 on May 28, 2016 |
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I haven't actually played BG2 since SoD came out, but I don't think they've added anything like that. There are no files for Skie at least. I'm hoping for DLSkie down the line. Oh and do they actually say Irenicus used the Soultaker Dagger? I kind of wondered about that myself, and I think they talked about it like there's really only the one. But I don''t really remember anymore, and if it's just some random Soultaker Dagger Irenicus had in his knife collection, well...
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May 28, 2016 16:12
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Cirosan posted:Just finished the SoD expansion, finally. Can't say enough good things about it. I'm only just out of baldurs gate and I feel the same. Why were people bitching so much on release? Had they put bg on a pedestal it didn't deserve or something?
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May 28, 2016 16:47
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gender illusionist posted:I'm only just out of baldurs gate and I feel the same. Why were people bitching so much on release? Had they put bg on a pedestal it didn't deserve or something? Yes
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May 28, 2016 18:12
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it's more the constant wink wink nod nod hammer over the head stuff and the final boss. at least the sane people complained about that. the insane lunatics didn't like a very minor character who you can completely miss who turned out to be transgendered or minsc making a joke about dumb people on twitter. (that got patched out because lol)
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May 28, 2016 19:06
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gender illusionist posted:I'm only just out of baldurs gate and I feel the same. Why were people bitching so much on release? Had they put bg on a pedestal it didn't deserve or something? Gaming right now is in a serious shithole because people want to be really racist and sexist and they can't stand having "be tolerant and not an rear end in a top hat" shoved in their face because they have a very hard time consolidating that maybe the world wasn't made for just them.
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May 28, 2016 19:48
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Yea, that was a really weird controversy. I hope that someone makes a mod though for BG2 that has the new NPCs they were really fleshed out and well written.
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May 28, 2016 20:27
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Non-modders, be glad you're that way. I'm working on Valerie's interjections and rediscovering that an NPC's visible in-game name, .cre file name, and .dlg file name are under no obligation to have anything at all in common, which makes for loads of fun hunting down specific string references in NearInfinity's godawful UI. Why oh why does Beamdog insist on continuing to use the infinity engine rather than going for something less arcane to work with...
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May 28, 2016 20:35
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Cythereal posted:Why oh why does Beamdog insist on continuing to use the infinity engine rather than going for something less arcane to work with... Because it would cost them an incredible amount of money to port the games to a new engine. 
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May 28, 2016 20:47
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Lemon-Lime posted:Because it would cost them an incredible amount of money to port the games to a new engine. I'm still of the opinion they should just make new games rather than fellate the dead horse that's Baldur's Gate. Use the Infinity Engine if they must. But try making something new.
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May 28, 2016 20:52
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That's their plan now AFAIK.
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May 28, 2016 21:03
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And that is where all the speculation about them making a DARK SUN or PLANESCAPE game or DRAGONLANCE, it's totally got everyone freaking out. I'd kill for dragonlance.
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May 28, 2016 22:46
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I'd give my left arm for a good Eberron RPG.
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May 28, 2016 22:48
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Washout posted:And that is where all the speculation about them making a DARK SUN or PLANESCAPE game or DRAGONLANCE, it's totally got everyone freaking out. I'd kill for dragonlance. I will fight you over a Dark Sun campaign.
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May 28, 2016 22:52
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Vikar Jerome posted:it's more the constant wink wink nod nod hammer over the head stuff and the final boss. But yeah, my only serious criticism is that they just spent too much time on tying SoD into existing stories instead of letting it be its own thing. Combined with all the reused sprites (up to Displacer Beasts which even with generally limited D&D knowledge I know are weird tentacle cats using the regular panther sprites) it sometimes felt like playing a fan game. And it's too bad, too, because the stuff they added was really good. Corwyn is amazing and I think Caelar Argent could have been a really good antagonist if they would've spent more time on her instead of bringing in Irenicus constantly. The Irenicus scenes were really dumb, too. Starts when the dude just shows up in my bedroom right after the Ducal Palace is attacked and somehow everybody just rolls with it and doesn't get better. e: Not that Caelar is bad as is, just her and her entourage aren't fully realized imo. Anyway, I still want IWD2EE, and I'd buy DLC for the EEs depending on what it was. But after SoD was so much better than expected I hope Beamdog do their own game with its own story soon. And, please, no BG3. Wizard Styles fucked around with this message at 22:58 on May 28, 2016 |
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May 28, 2016 22:56
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I know very little about either setting but Dark Sun looks cooler. Thri-kreen and cannibal barbarian halflings versus generic medieval land and Kender? Sign me up.
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May 28, 2016 22:56
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Oh that's where those halflings in the Planar Sphere are from? I always thought Dark Sun was just regular D&D, but flooded with horror monsters.
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May 28, 2016 23:06
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That's Ravenloft.
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Ah, thanks. And Ravenloft definitely sounds like that'd be what it's all about. Dragonlance is high fantasy heroics painted in the brightest colors I assume?
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Wizard Styles posted:Ah, thanks. The Dragonlance series is a excellent read,but yeah it's kind of high fantasy. Dark Sun is basically DnD Mad Max.
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May 28, 2016 23:21
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Hollismason posted:DnD Mad Max
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May 28, 2016 23:23
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Hollismason posted:I will fight you over a Dark Sun campaign. My party of white and black and red mages will surely destroy your sorcerer kings! Imagine the sorcerer kings with access to a new world, they would be kicking off the hugest devourer spells right into each others faces.
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Hollismason posted:The Dragonlance series is a excellent read,but yeah it's kind of high fantasy. Dark Sun is basically DnD Mad Max. With giants and wizards, and giant wizards. Psionic/Preserver/Cleric badass checking in for duty sir.
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May 28, 2016 23:33
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Washout posted:My party of white and black and red mages will surely destroy your sorcerer kings! Bah. Give me Eberron, please. Interbellum Europe with magic, psionics, dinosaur-riding halfling barbarians, elves who worship their own undead ancestors, and an explicit setting statement that the listed alignment for any given creature is only a suggestion. Bring on the vampire king who works for world peace.
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Dark Sun is still the most original setting they've made. It was heavily influenced by The Dying Earth series. There's no metal really either so enjoy wearing bone carcasses for armor and obsidian bladed weapons if I remember right. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 23:49 on May 28, 2016 |
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If Dark Sun at all sounds interesting to you, you owe it to yourself to try Shattered Lands and Wake of the Ravager.  gets you both of them on GOG.
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May 28, 2016 23:54
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Gonna try every Gold Box game I can next time they're on sale. If I'd known I'd get back into D&D games this hard I'd have bought everything during the 40th Anniversary Sale instead of just Planescape.
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The cool thing about Neverwinter Nights was that people made modules set in a million different settings.
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Temple of Elemental Evil is cheap and has a pretty good number of mods that add a bunch to the game from what I understand. It's turn based also. I would play Never winter but I like the top down and it seems that's 3D. Going to check out these Dark Sun games after IWD2.
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Draile posted:If Dark Sun at all sounds interesting to you, you owe it to yourself to try Shattered Lands and Wake of the Ravager. Make all 4 of your guys triple class (and there are a SHITLOAD of triple class options!!) and then just farm the poo poo out of the beginning gladiator fights. Proceed to eat the rest of the game for breakfast. There is no experience cap, just a level cap, so the triple class characters can all be the same level as their single class counterparts, and there are a ton of easy areas to grind.
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A Strange Aeon posted:The cool thing about Neverwinter Nights was that people made modules set in a million different settings. Was there ever a good Dark Sun thing for NWN? I'd never seen one.
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Washout posted:Was there ever a good Dark Sun thing for NWN? I'd never seen one. I don't know, I just remember playing a really good Ravenloft one and playing through an excellent 5 part series some dude made that put the main campaign to shame. And playing on a few amazing persistent world servers with my brother. I can't imagine there wasn't some kind of Dark Sun stuff given how awesome the community was.
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It looks like there is one but can't open on my phone
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Cythereal posted:Bah. Give me Eberron, please. Interbellum Europe with magic, psionics, dinosaur-riding halfling barbarians, elves who worship their own undead ancestors, and an explicit setting statement that the listed alignment for any given creature is only a suggestion. Bring on the vampire king who works for world peace. "-bellum?" That's an American history term. Do you mean the 20th century interwar period? Mages with submachine guns?
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May 29, 2016 01:49
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Yes. It's also used to describe the 1920's and much of the 1930's.
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Kavak posted:Yes. It's also used to describe the 1920's and much of the 1930's. Yep. Eberron is very 1920s Europe-ish, just with magic. There's even the newly found underclass of demobilized war veterans with nowhere to go that no one's sure what to do with, which is a nice touch.
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I don't think the exact term Interbellum is used in Europe, but interwar period is the same but less Latin and that's commonly used for the time between the World Wars. Although which years that time covers differs from country to country, and when it comes to Germany there are both the Weimar Republic and National Socialism that fall into the period so German history of the time is usually divided into 1918-33 and 1933-45 instead. e: I don't know if it's used for Spain, seems similarly unsuitable especially since there was an actual war in Spain and Spain also went to war in Morocco, so it's not like there even was much of an interwar period. Wizard Styles fucked around with this message at 13:04 on May 29, 2016 |
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Eberron is a mashup of late 19th century westerns, early 20th century warfare, 1920s/30s economics (including corporations), Cold War era paranoia/spy games, and cyberpunk-esque megacorporations. Unlike other D&D settings, it's specifically designed to have a lot of noir sensibilities. It's the best D&D setting. Wizard Styles posted:I don't think the exact term Interbellum is used in Europe It is, in the UK anyway. Everyone also has their own term that more or less translates to "between the two wars." Woolie Wool posted:"-bellum?" That's an American history term. 
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May 29, 2016 13:09
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I think Arcanum is a game you should play if you like that style it's kind of Victorian steam punk with magic
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I'd never heard of the Shattered Lands game but watched a quick video and it looks interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxqcQbBqec4 If I enjoy BG2, is this too much of a step back to get into?
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