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Dr. Faustus posted:Hasn't it been a couple/few years since HBO pre-empted the Memorial Day weekend ep of GoT? Will we be getting Ep 6 tomorrow night at 9? It will be on Sunday. AMC bumped Preacher out but HBO hanging in there.
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vyelkin posted:That theory is so genius that I actually hope it's true now.
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May 28, 2016 18:05
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http://twitter.com/luke_j_roberts/status/729558177814089728/photo/1 Holy poo poo everybody look. They made a description accurate Dawn and its not a loving anime sword. Its just shiny. gently caress.
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May 28, 2016 19:41
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Phi230 posted:http://twitter.com/luke_j_roberts/status/729558177814089728/photo/1 The one on the left, the one they used in the show?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I just realized why they're dragging out the ToJ stuff; it's to convince the more involved readers/viewers that their theory about Lyanna and Rhaegar is correct and a sure thing, to make the reality that much more surprising and disturbing. Ned is Jon's father, and Lyanna is his mother, and Rhaegar was just a sympathetic friend who understood their feelings. Ned was just too weak to stand up to Robert's temperament, and had to play the part in the war in the vain hope that he and Lyanna could be reunited. Unfortunately, Lyanna decided she would rather die than be married to Robert, and killed herself when Ned tried to bring her back, leaving baby Jon behind. I posted something very similar to this years ago, but with Benjen taking the place of Ned, thus his exile to the Wall. The timeline doesn't quite work either way best I can figure. Ned was in the Vale already and a Benjen was too young.
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May 28, 2016 19:55
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Phi230 posted:http://twitter.com/luke_j_roberts/status/729558177814089728/photo/1 Why do you care so much about some anime nerd sword. Are you some kind of nerd.
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May 28, 2016 20:04
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Phi230 posted:Oh my god its almost as if one of the themes of the book is that power lies where people believe it to be I clicked the question mark under your name and it is two pages of lovely posts.
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May 28, 2016 20:08
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Xanderkish posted:Why do you care so much about some anime nerd sword. Are you some kind of nerd. Arthur Dayne wielding a meteorite sword is some dumb dumb ffvii poo poo if I ever heard it. Glad it was dropped like Daario's forked beard.
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May 28, 2016 20:17
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pfizerman posted:Arthur Dayne wielding a meteorite sword is some dumb dumb ffvii poo poo if I ever heard it. Glad it was dropped like Daario's forked beard. I don't know meteorite swords are an actual thing irl
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May 28, 2016 20:25
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Really I just can't invest myself in this TV show if it doesn't include the authentic Greatswordkatana of Ser Darkfire Liondragon, whise steel was forged from the taint of a volcanic hydra from the eruption of Atlanteros, with a hilt crafted by the last Cthonic Samurai using a mallet made with a piece of the True Cross. Anything else would ruin my immersion.
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May 28, 2016 20:30
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Dawn was important enough that, even though they were enemies, Ned Stark personally returned it to Arthur Dayne's family in Starfall. I think that's something interesting.
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May 28, 2016 20:33
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C-SPAN Caller posted:I don't know meteorite swords are an actual thing irl
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May 28, 2016 20:37
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Quit sullying my adult good show with talk of your kiddie good show.
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May 28, 2016 20:38
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Apoplexy posted:Dawn was important enough that, even though they were enemies, Ned Stark personally returned it to Arthur Dayne's family in Starfall. I think that's something interesting. Oh don't get me wrong, I think Dawn's interesting. I'm a sucker for Cool and Special Swords as much as the next guy, and how it continues to reveal the character of Ned. I just don't think its absence detracts from the TV show, which by the nature of its medium must necessarily be condensed and efficient with its time. And I think it's fun to tease people who are getting real knotted up by its absence. ASOIAF, in my opinion, emphasizes worldbuilding as much as it does the plot. The story of the characters matter, but its also a story about the world as a whole, and breathing life into every crevice of iy, emphasizing how it persists even beyond the lives of the central narrative. And Dawn fits very well in that. Game of Thrones, in contrast, focuses also on worldbuilding, but more in service to the plot. Not a criticism, by the way, just an acknowledgement of the different medium of the show versus the books. And I figure the writers have to be careful with what they make too big a deal out of, because they don't want to add on too much that might make the audience attach more importance onto what are ultimately minor details and hence get distracted from the main narrative. And I think Dawn, while interesting, might be that kind of distraction that it's just easier to cut. And again, most watchers, book or show, probably don't think much of it, if they remember it at all. I know I didn't really think much of it when he didn't pull out Dawn. That's my take on it, anyway.
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May 28, 2016 20:49
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Far moreso than that loving anime/meteor sword details, I'm impressed Luke Roberts did his own moves, instructed though he was in them. It would've been real easy to cheat that, what with his helmet obscuring his head and bit of his face during the action and all.
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May 28, 2016 20:56
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Anyway, arguing about Dawn is a moot point because the show had Dawn.
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May 28, 2016 21:01
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Xanderkish posted:Oh don't get me wrong, I think Dawn's interesting. I'm a sucker for Cool and Special Swords as much as the next guy, and how it continues to reveal the character of Ned. I just don't think its absence detracts from the TV show, which by the nature of its medium must necessarily be condensed and efficient with its time. It wasnt even absent, the director confirmed that the sword in the show is Dawn. E: And its stuck in the ground like that so it can be the centerpiece of the scene: 
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May 28, 2016 21:24
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C-SPAN Caller posted:I don't know meteorite swords are an actual thing irl  Looks like it's modelled on the early migration era. Disclaimer: Meteoric iron is just iron. Won't cut through stone, steel helmets or other swords. Won't glow in the dark, unless you're on fire.
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May 28, 2016 21:55
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tooterfish posted:Terry Pratchett had one made when he was knighted. It's a shame Game of Thrones is the one that's getting popular instead of Discworld so we could all argue about how unrealistic it is when Vimes kicks a man in the balls instead.
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May 28, 2016 22:32
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Xanderkish posted:Oh don't get me wrong, I think Dawn's interesting. I'm a sucker for Cool and Special Swords as much as the next guy, and how it continues to reveal the character of Ned. I just don't think its absence detracts from the TV show, which by the nature of its medium must necessarily be condensed and efficient with its time. And I think it's fun to tease people who are getting real knotted up by its absence. This is one of our twenty Good Posts in this thread, but if I may play Devil's Advocate - The question is begged, if you have to cut several pieces from the story to make it more reasonable for a TV timeslot, is this really the story that NEEDED to be adapted? Certainly if we were going to end up with D&D taking at most suggestions from the original work at this point and creating something completely original with the story and characters, why call it Game of Thrones at all? The answer, of course, is either that they originally set out to make a more faithful adaptation (suggested by the tonal shift between the first season and the current one) but had to change things for a variety of reasons, or that they saw the huge opportunity with how successful ASoIaF was, and some execs tried to cash in. Personally I choose to believe the former out of good faith, but that just makes criticisms like the one castigated in the above post more valid. If you're on a train headed for Boston and halfway there the conductor announces that he changed his mind and you're going to Baltimore instead, and you loudly complain that you wanted to go to Boston, (this thread is the guy sitting next to you mocking you with, "WELL WHY DON'T YOU JUST JUMP OFF THE MOVING TRAIN THEN") your disdain is understandable. The book doesn't "belong" to the fans, but they're called fans for a reason. I bet you nobody ready the Tower of Joy passage and thought, "Man, meteor sword, that sounds stupid as gently caress. This book is way too fantasy sometimes."
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May 28, 2016 22:48
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Watching this lovely Tower of Joy fan film really makes you appreciate how much work goes into choreographing and sound-mixing the show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adYm-4-00UE
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May 28, 2016 22:51
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Hahahah Where did you find that visual tour de force?
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Blacktoll posted:Hahahah The clanking during the talk between Dayne and Eddard was hilarious.
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May 28, 2016 23:06
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Vegetable posted:Watching this lovely Tower of Joy fan film really makes you appreciate how much work goes into choreographing and sound-mixing the show I'm not at a place where I can watch this with sound but at least visually it looked pretty alright! Until they started fighting. How does that have 3000 thumbs up.
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Vegetable posted:Watching this lovely Tower of Joy fan film really makes you appreciate how much work goes into choreographing and sound-mixing the show PS. Bran warged into me and posted that terrible joke, don't shoot the messenger. Also: quote:Jeff Odachowski as Lord Eddard Stark http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4655154/resume?ref_=nm_ov_res quote:Accents: Australian, Scottish, British, New York (Brooklyn), New York (Bronx) 
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Advice posted:The question is begged, if you have to cut several pieces from the story to make it more reasonable for a TV timeslot, is this really the story that NEEDED to be adapted? Certainly if we were going to end up with D&D taking at most suggestions from the original work at this point and creating something completely original with the story and characters, why call it Game of Thrones at all? The answer, of course, is either that they originally set out to make a more faithful adaptation (suggested by the tonal shift between the first season and the current one) but had to change things for a variety of reasons, or that they saw the huge opportunity with how successful ASoIaF was, and some execs tried to cash in. Personally I choose to believe the former out of good faith, but that just makes criticisms like the one castigated in the above post more valid. If you're on a train headed for Boston and halfway there the conductor announces that he changed his mind and you're going to Baltimore instead, and you loudly complain that you wanted to go to Boston, (this thread is the guy sitting next to you mocking you with, "WELL WHY DON'T YOU JUST JUMP OFF THE MOVING TRAIN THEN") your disdain is understandable. Well, if I could play Devil's Devil's advocate (in other words, me), I would argue that while people who are disappointed in the adaptation being less than faithful are totally allowed that disappointment, we are at this point dealing with an adaptation to a book that hasn't been released yet, and never may. That makes any adaptation a lot more complicated. And again, with any adaptation, you're going to get changes. I guess for me the question of whether the story remains game of thrones in more than just name has to do with whether it remains true to the spirit of the novels. That's a tough thing to define and the answer probably varies from person to person, but for me it does. The character, world, themes, and overall narrative are still sufficiently Game of Thrones for me that I'm not bothered with changes, because for the most part I see them in keeping with that spirit. Even Dorne, for all its bad pussy, I'm willing to accept as keeping with the spirit of the books (albeit in a very bad way). Even the tonal shift I'm fine with. I don't think it's as great as people argue, but what is there I'm more than happy to attribute (mostly) to a cast and crew becoming more comfortable with the show and knowing the ins and outs of it enough that they're more willing to stray from the center, because the core is so solid. Still, some people might not think this is still Game of Thrones to them, and that's fine, as long as people aren't dicks about it. I was unhappy with Hannibal in the second half of its run, so I get the feeling when a show ceases to be what it was that drew you into it.
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pfizerman posted:Arthur Dayne wielding a meteorite sword is some dumb dumb ffvii poo poo if I ever heard it. Glad it was dropped like Daario's forked beard. You do know meteor iron is a thing right? Before humans worked out smelting that's how you got iron.
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Scapegoat posted:You do know meteor iron is a thing right? Before humans worked out smelting that's how you got iron. Does it glow?
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Scapegoat posted:You do know meteor iron is a thing right? Before humans worked out smelting that's how you got iron. Well, that and bog iron, but that's beside the point. Y'all are fixating on the possible absence of some dumb translucent magic sword that is at best a silly fantasy trope.
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Are we trying to argue about the feasibility of GoT's science again? Because it isn't feasible, but certain things are magic, rendering the point moot. Moving on...
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Advice posted:This is one of our twenty Good Posts in this thread, but if I may play Devil's Advocate - The counter question is, do you actually think every single detail in the books is important to the larger story? Any adaptation has to make choices about what will work, and what won't, what is important, and what isn't. Dayne's sword isn't important. Honestly, Dayne didn't seem particularly important. And now they've gone past the books, which means they're adapting GRRM's sketches and fever dreams, so of course it's going to feel different than the adaptation of the first book that people had been reading and thinking about for decades. Your analogy doesn't quite map though, because we always knew this time was gonna come. You got on board anyway. (Also Boston doesn't exist) Edit: also, isn't the glowy anime sword description a weird memory he has where people are shadows? Why is that assumed to be real and not another embellishment? Bobo the Red fucked around with this message at 02:43 on May 29, 2016 |
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May 29, 2016 02:40
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I look forward to the A Song of Fire and Ice anime epic in 2050 that includes Dawn, the rude eunuch gladiator, and the Three Stooges Knights in all their glory.
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It can easily be an embellishment. But we could have easily had an embellished, dreamlike scene for Ned's memory anyway. The point is it wasnt faithful, and when you start to pick and choose what is or isn't important for a particular scene, you again beg the question of whether the medium you're using is appropriate for the subject being re-interpreted. This sounds like I'm complaining, and I'm not, so I'm gonna drop this point. I was only ever playing DA to begin with. At the very least, I sympathize with the guys who got on the train because the sign said Boston, even though it appears we can't go to Boston because they haven't finished building it yet. I feel like these are some of the more hardcore fans and they get called spergs and nerds by this thread.
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May 29, 2016 03:32
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If hardcore fans weren't spergs and nerds, they wouldn't be hardcore fans.
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Advice posted:It can easily be an embellishment. But we could have easily had an embellished, dreamlike scene for Ned's memory anyway. The point is it wasnt faithful, and when you start to pick and choose what is or isn't important for a particular scene, you again beg the question of whether the medium you're using is appropriate for the subject being re-interpreted. To be fair, it appears that while the ToJ scene in the Books was Ned's hazy recollection, in the show it's presented as Bran observing (and inadvertently turning out to sometimes have directly interacted with) the objective past. So while it may not be faithful to the scene in the source material per se, it may have been faithful to what actually happened in the world. Martin is still clearly in consultation with the showrunners, so while the show is indeed unfettered from the shackles of the books, they are still at least trying to make a good-faith effort to adapt what the books are going to be covering. Can't wait to see what will have the thread arguing in circles this coming week! 
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Advice posted:The book doesn't "belong" to the fans, but they're called fans for a reason. I bet you nobody ready the Tower of Joy passage and thought, "Man, meteor sword, that sounds stupid as gently caress.
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I'm glad that the guy is dead only because a couple more episodes will probably wash all discussion of his sword(s) away as irrelevant since HE HELLA DEAD. Good job Ned Stark. Good job Ned Stark's backstabbing squire. Drinks and dead sisters all around!
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