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You can scale it with fire and elemental and area damage off the tree though... they probably did it because hey were worried about it being too broken originally with something like righteous fire or iron will
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nightwisher posted:Also det dead IS considered a spell for everything but spell damage mods, it's wierd. What other ways?
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May 29, 2016 00:04
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TheRat posted:What other ways? Mainly that it can be triggered by CwDT, CwS and CoC despite not having the keyword, and can be supported by Spell Echo and a few other modifiers that specify spells only.
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May 29, 2016 00:10
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It has the "cast" keyword.
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May 29, 2016 00:11
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True, but those supports specify in the description "Cast supported spells" so the logical expectation would be that it wouldn't trigger a skill without a spell tag. From the wiki: quote:Skills marked with the Cast keyword deal secondary damage. Cast gems are not spells, and are therefore not affected by modifiers that would normally only modify spells. edit: Cast is an odd keyword, at least in my eyes. You "cast" spells but "cast" just refers to dealing secondary damage?
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May 29, 2016 00:16
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How much % life regen do you need to make RF not terrible for your map pool? Is it possible to get enough to handle vulnerability/some reduced regen (assuming I'm at 88% fire res without flasks)? I know you get hosed if you get multiple mods like that stacked.
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panda clue posted:How much % life regen do you need to make RF not terrible for your map pool? Is it possible to get enough to handle vulnerability/some reduced regen? I know you get hosed if you get multiple mods like that stacked. Assuming I'm at 88% fire res without flasks. The wiki page on RF has a nice table showing various breakpoints for gaining positive regen with RF up. It depends heavily on what your max fire res and reduced DoT taken stats are like. And yeah, vuln, ele weakness and -max res are all pretty nasty individually, ele weakness being the easiest to deal with i guess.
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RF is absolutely terrible when it comes to possible map-mods.nightwisher posted:True, but those supports specify in the description "Cast supported spells" so the logical expectation would be that it wouldn't trigger a skill without a spell tag. The cast keyword is there specifically to indicate support for stuff like cwdt and faster casting. Detonate dead used to have the spell tag for this.
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May 29, 2016 00:21
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nightwisher posted:The wiki page on RF has a nice table showing various breakpoints for gaining positive regen with RF up. It depends heavily on what your max fire res and reduced DoT taken stats are like. And yeah, vuln, ele weakness and -max res are all pretty nasty individually, ele weakness being the easiest to deal with i guess. Thanks, I didn't see it at first because it was in a collapsed list. TheRat posted:RF is absolutely terrible when it comes to possible map-mods. Anyone considering doing a pure RF build once you get some money in the league, I highly recommend checking out this Low-Life ES based RF build. You end up with an obscene amount of ES, and you take advantage of a node that is probably rarely taken otherwise, the Trickster's 'Patient Reaper'. It gives you 30% increased damage over time, and a whopping 60% increased life/mana/es recovery when you've recently killed something with a dot (RF works for this). So yes, if you are sitting at 10% regen base, you will get boosted to 16% for 4 seconds after you kill anything. This allows you to handle a lot of bullshit map mods that otherwise poo poo on RF.
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TheRat posted:RF is absolutely terrible when it comes to possible map-mods. If that's the case then GGG might have muddied up the keyword a bit, since Cast appears on Heralds yet they can't be supported by CwDT, Echo etc. Not that you ever would, but it does seem a bit inconsistent when you factor in Det Dead, but that might be an artifact of it formerly being a Spell.
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Hey panda i might steal your build since I've never done discharge, sorry in advance
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killstealing posted:Hey panda i might steal your build since I've never done discharge, sorry in advance I posted it because I figured some others might also want to try self-cast Discharge! I've never done it either, and this seems like one of the first times that all of the annoying edge cases for the build are finally able to be ironed out. Here is the gem setup I currently plan on using. I might change a few things around, but this is more or less what I'll end up with: http://poecraft.com/%20gemplanner#v11.=J1y1T.=A112U.=b0m2I=N.0b2M1S2K2L1Q.1O=H=V2a.2z1S2K2M.==.==.== panda clue fucked around with this message at 02:31 on May 29, 2016 |
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will you be using double kaom's signs and a +1ec belt? the idea of chaining 11-charge discharges sounds hilarious
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Phobophilia posted:will you be using double kaom's signs and a +1ec belt? the idea of chaining 11-charge discharges sounds hilarious Yeah, I don't get the endurance charge down by duelist though, so only 10. There really isn't much else of value down in that area, so I don't think its worth pathing for. panda clue fucked around with this message at 02:33 on May 29, 2016 |
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May 29, 2016 02:30
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thats what, chained 3k fire damage discharges? lol
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killstealing posted:thats what, chained 3k fire damage discharges? lol 3k base damage, completely unbuffed. Also a 100% chance to do a burn that will probably do around 2-3 times that over several seconds.
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May 29, 2016 02:36
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you might even fit in a cwdt-summon skeleton heartbound loop setup, and constantly fill up your endurance charges that way. the cast when damage takener is back baby
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Phobophilia posted:you might even fit in a cwdt-summon skeleton heartbound loop setup, and constantly fill up your endurance charges that way. the cast when damage takener is back baby  how fast can you get that to pop?
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panda clue posted:
I got mine down to 0.24s per loop with 98% reduced skellie duration and linked to a lvl 7 or under Less Duration gem. Normally you can't trigger CWDT faster than 0.25s but skeletons don't summon instantly so it adds a tiny bit of time to the loop, bringing it just over 0.25s . I used it to make this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbVupAZHanA&t=21s edit: I used SRS to start the loop because I didn't have another summon skeleton on me 
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May 29, 2016 05:59
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Phobophilia posted:you might even fit in a cwdt-summon skeleton heartbound loop setup, and constantly fill up your endurance charges that way. the cast when damage takener is back baby  they can't not nerf this passive node when the league is over
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New skill tree for my EQ Juggernaut. I overlooked the life regen per endurance charge. With double Kaom's Signs that is 2% life regen for one passive point. Can't pass that up. http://poeplanner.com/AAEBATMAd8bYW...N3V97kWu_ON9IM=
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nightwisher posted:I got mine down to 0.24s per loop with 98% reduced skellie duration and linked to a lvl 7 or under Less Duration gem. Normally you can't trigger CWDT faster than 0.25s but skeletons don't summon instantly so it adds a tiny bit of time to the loop, bringing it just over 0.25s . I used it to make this: you know what you need to do next friend
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it's the end of the league and there are still hundreds of flippers just waiting for a mispriced item  what I don't get: isn't standard a ghost town? who would even buy non tier 1 items
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The Real Foogla posted:it's the end of the league and there are still hundreds of flippers just waiting for a mispriced item Plenty of people do 'currency on temp league for currency on standard at x:y rate' type deals. Pretty sure you're not supposed to but that doesn't really stop people.
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Sotar posted:New skill tree for my EQ Juggernaut. I overlooked the life regen per endurance charge. With double Kaom's Signs that is 2% life regen for one passive point. Can't pass that up. Here is what I am planning for Undeniable as my 8th ascendancy node: http://poeplanner.com/AAEBATMAgcbYW...rvAAQbGXaTd1Q== If I was going to run Unyielding instead, I would run something like this: http://poeplanner.com/AAEBATMAgcbYW...sZdpN3V8430gw== soscannonballs fucked around with this message at 15:20 on May 29, 2016 |
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May 29, 2016 14:58
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I want to buy a varunastra before it gets too expensive in standard.
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Is there any chance that my Arc character can do Atziri without getting a Voltaxic? I just did my first reflect zone - a corrupted Mines 2 and it was horrendous. The mirror clone has 100% reflect, I really can't see that going well given with Arc I'll struggle to not hit it.
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gonadic io posted:Is there any chance that my Arc character can do Atziri without getting a Voltaxic? I just did my first reflect zone - a corrupted Mines 2 and it was horrendous. The mirror clone has 100% reflect, I really can't see that going well given with Arc I'll struggle to not hit it. No, you will die to split phase. I think Mirror Atziri reflects all damage, even Chaos anyway.
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You can self cast Arc until you get to atziri and then just take out your self cast gems like spell echo and faster casting and put mine and minefield in. With the changes to saboteur, the 100% increased mine arming speed, if it works like it sounds like it might make miners way less clunky so you might consider doing a full on arc miner. I did one way back in Beyond before they nerfed their HP and throwing down a few of them would one hit Beyond packs. It wasn't as fun as doing it with traps but the damage was crazy. Not sure if they're going nerf mine builds this league though. Either the support gems or the tree
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The Real Foogla posted:it's the end of the league and there are still hundreds of flippers just waiting for a mispriced item I'll be damned if I can find a quote now but in the past I remember Chris saying that quite a lot of people do play standard and don't play the challenge leagues at all.
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Foxtactics is a popular streamer that popularized a self cast arc build back in the day and did has lots of videos doing atziri with arc. He would bring a storm call setup for the split phase. There are plenty of videos floating around if that's your thing.
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J posted:I'll be damned if I can find a quote now but in the past I remember Chris saying that quite a lot of people do play standard and don't play the challenge leagues at all. Yea I think standard is popular with a lot of folks that don't like "starting over" or don't have time, etc. Non-league HC is a wasteland though. There are like 10 players total.
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climboutonalimb posted:Yea I think standard is popular with a lot of folks that don't like "starting over" or don't have time, etc. Non-league HC is a wasteland though. There are like 10 players total. this is so weird to me, the only time I play D3 or PoE is in a league, the whole fun thing about these games to me is getting poo poo and powering up a character. after a certain point I need to start over or it just gets boring.
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queeb posted:this is so weird to me, the only time I play D3 or PoE is in a league, the whole fun thing about these games to me is getting poo poo and powering up a character. after a certain point I need to start over or it just gets boring. Some people like really building out a character and hopping on it once in a while to pwn mobs. some subset brags about their 200ex perfect roll weapons but feh
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Phobophilia posted:I want to buy a varunastra before it gets too expensive in standard. I have a spare one that I'm never going to use, just let me know when you're on.
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May 29, 2016 17:18
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climboutonalimb posted:Foxtactics is a popular streamer that popularized a self cast arc build back in the day and did has lots of videos doing atziri with arc. He would bring a storm call setup for the split phase. There are plenty of videos floating around if that's your thing. I'm using Foxtactics' fire Arc build. I didn't see a section about Storm Call though, thanks.
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Juggernaught 1h sword reave sounds really fun and I can't wait until the league starts.
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The Real Foogla posted:it's the end of the league and there are still hundreds of flippers just waiting for a mispriced item People who don't have the items on standard and want them available for testing builds/etc?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF4CHnwmx_U New unique jewel, Grand Spectrum. One for each of the jewel bases. Grants +75 armor/+6% increased elemental damage/+15 mana (R/G/B) for each Grand Spectrum (even if different bases) socketed.
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