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Wait, are people arguing against Widow being one of the strongest characters in the game and possibly one of the strongest snipers I've seen in a game? Her saving grace is that sniping is hard, so 95% of all Widows you see are not paying her close to her full potential.
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Szcwczuk posted:Just played a window maker game and didn't win. Szcwczuk posted:get gud brennon posted:Give her 151 health just so that sniper duels aren't decided by the bodyshot like in TF2. Honourable headshots only. Yeah, something like that would work nicely for Widowmaker. Dias posted:Wait, are people arguing against Widow being one of the strongest characters in the game and possibly one of the strongest snipers I've seen in a game? Her saving grace is that sniping is hard, so 95% of all Widows you see are not paying her close to her full potential. Sniping in this game is easy for me, at least. Every character has a massive head which are easily identifiable in their silhouette and as slow as molasses, and the ones that aren't die to a few bodyshots. High skill ceiling is an okay tool for balancing but you need to draw a line at some point.
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May 30, 2016 01:42
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Kashuno posted:Why do so many people compare mei to mccree that comparison makes no sense they both start with M
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May 30, 2016 01:42
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Spanish Manlove posted:Yes. Also for roadhog when you hook people you should immediately fire then melee. im trying to get that down. are they close enough to do that when i first hook or do i need to take a step forward when i close range blast them
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May 30, 2016 01:42
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:lol if you believe this is actually what they were saying  Dick Trauma posted:The last character I tried was Symmetra but needing to be literally right in front of an enemy to hit them with the beam resulted in getting one shotted by... everyone? It seemed any character I attacked could instakill her. I wound up scattering turrets around and popping orbs off in random directions.
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May 30, 2016 01:42
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Fabricated posted:I'm usually glad to see widows because I know that's one less person to contest a point or payload because people who play snipers never ptfo. Sometimes you find a widowmaker who plays the objective and then prepare for a Good Game.
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May 30, 2016 01:43
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verbal enema posted:im trying to get that down. are they close enough to do that when i first hook or do i need to take a step forward when i close range blast them They're close enough. Melee has a surprisingly long range.
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May 30, 2016 01:43
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Dias posted:Wait, are people arguing against Widow being one of the strongest characters in the game and possibly one of the strongest snipers I've seen in a game? Her saving grace is that sniping is hard, so 95% of all Widows you see are not paying her close to her full potential. Balancing heroes around potential is just as dumb as balancing them around the pro scene exclusively, hth. Granted, widowmaker could definitely use some changes because bodyshot one shotting certain people is super uncool.
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May 30, 2016 01:43
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Dias posted:Wait, are people arguing against Widow being one of the strongest characters in the game and possibly one of the strongest snipers I've seen in a game? Her saving grace is that sniping is hard, so 95% of all Widows you see are not paying her close to her full potential. I don't really have a problem with her but I'd support a nerf or removing her from the game because people who play snipers are insufferable
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May 30, 2016 01:44
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In non-Widowmaker conversation, where is Roadhog strong? Of all the tanks he's the only one I don't really see a lot of big advantage to. He soaks a ton of HP and is very durable but he also builds enemy ults like woah and can't really do much in terms of actually drawing fire behind being big and bulky and occasionally hooking someone. For most of the other characters I know where they should come out into play but Roadhog I've never found a situation where he really feels strong.
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May 30, 2016 01:46
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There's also a s76 heal, which would have been plenty considering the amount of damage she was taking, and the mercy didn't follow her around the corner Also I see the problem, people need to be in front of you to kill them with symmetra's gun, not the other way around.
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May 30, 2016 01:46
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I mean, notice I didn't ask for a nerf (although even I, terrible FPS player, can have a good game by body shooting people every now and then because lol charge up time), but she's undeniably powerful.
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May 30, 2016 01:46
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ImpAtom posted:In non-Widowmaker conversation, where is Roadhog strong? Of all the tanks he's the only one I don't really see a lot of big advantage to. He soaks a ton of HP and is very durable but he also builds enemy ults like woah and can't really do much in terms of actually drawing fire behind being big and bulky and occasionally hooking someone. For most of the other characters I know where they should come out into play but Roadhog I've never found a situation where he really feels strong. he's amazing at ruining positioning, he's a good offensive tank, rather than defensive just grab anyone passing by and pull them into your team's doomgrinder, or snag runners fleeing from your doomgrinder.
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May 30, 2016 01:47
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:There's also a s76 heal, which would have been plenty considering the amount of damage she was taking, and the mercy didn't follow her around the corner I don't even know what your point is any more.
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May 30, 2016 01:47
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I think widow just needs a charge time increase, so she's more reliant on actually landing a big headshot and gets punished more for missing. Zen just needs a 25 point HP buff. Also as a Pharah player, a good widow is one of, if not the biggest counters out there. Yes you can kill her if you get the drop on her, but that's far outweighed by how much she restricts your main advantage and how trivial it is for her to oneshot you.
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May 30, 2016 01:47
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ImpAtom posted:In non-Widowmaker conversation, where is Roadhog strong? Of all the tanks he's the only one I don't really see a lot of big advantage to. He soaks a ton of HP and is very durable but he also builds enemy ults like woah and can't really do much in terms of actually drawing fire behind being big and bulky and occasionally hooking someone. For most of the other characters I know where they should come out into play but Roadhog I've never found a situation where he really feels strong. Roadhog is okay but since he's a big easy target who soaks damage he feeds ultimates to the other team.
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May 30, 2016 01:48
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ImpAtom posted:In non-Widowmaker conversation, where is Roadhog strong? Of all the tanks he's the only one I don't really see a lot of big advantage to. He soaks a ton of HP and is very durable but he also builds enemy ults like woah and can't really do much in terms of actually drawing fire behind being big and bulky and occasionally hooking someone. For most of the other characters I know where they should come out into play but Roadhog I've never found a situation where he really feels strong. He is good in places where you're fighting people without shields, and is better on defense than offense.
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sarmhan posted:I think widow just needs a charge time increase, so she's more reliant on actually landing a big headshot and gets punished more for missing. Zen just needs a 25 point HP buff. Charge time increase and fire rate decrease. Allahu ackbar.
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Balancing heroes around potential is just as dumb as balancing them around the pro scene exclusively, hth. I would normally agree, but with Widowmaker it's just so easy to reach that potential because her mechanics are so forgiving.
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May 30, 2016 01:49
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Cool idea for a power for the rumored support sniper: The last person she shot with her gun does 30% less damage for a few seconds or until she tags someone else
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May 30, 2016 01:49
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Widow takes 10 damage every time she misses a shot.
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May 30, 2016 01:49
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why is it that when i see the enemy team have a reinhardt they have people who use his shield for cover to kill the enemy whereas when i'm reinhardt the shield is a flag to go OK TIME TO LEAVE AND FLANK
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May 30, 2016 01:50
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Widow takes 10 damage every time she misses a shot. Sounds good but make her head explode instead.
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May 30, 2016 01:50
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why do i even try to play reinhardt, i hate playing him
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Ciaphas posted:why do i even try to play reinhardt, i hate playing him
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May 30, 2016 01:51
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Broken Cog posted:Sounds good but make her head explode instead. What if her butt inflated every time she missed a shot?
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May 30, 2016 01:51
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How do I play with goons? I can't take the pubbies anymore.
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May 30, 2016 01:51
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mei's freeze beam needs to ramp slower that thing is loving stupid
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May 30, 2016 01:51
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Widow takes 10 damage every time she misses a shot.
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May 30, 2016 01:52
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Ciaphas posted:why do i even try to play reinhardt, i hate playing him play v aggressive if u have a mercy if not get good at his charge
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May 30, 2016 01:52
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Krataar posted:How do I play with goons? I can't take the pubbies anymore. discord in OP
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May 30, 2016 01:52
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ImpAtom posted:In non-Widowmaker conversation, where is Roadhog strong? Of all the tanks he's the only one I don't really see a lot of big advantage to. He soaks a ton of HP and is very durable but he also builds enemy ults like woah and can't really do much in terms of actually drawing fire behind being big and bulky and occasionally hooking someone. For most of the other characters I know where they should come out into play but Roadhog I've never found a situation where he really feels strong. I don't think roadhog is very good as a tank but he can do some work on the flank. you can oneshot most heroes from full health with your primary so you try and find people by themselves or else distracted by team fights, then pull them to you and knock their head off. he's decent in enclosed spaces as well so I guess you could chill in a room with a symmetra; her turrets will slow people down for you to hook, and failing that you can just shoot them in an area they can't easily run from you. you have enough health to take some hits so you'll win most 1v1s against anything but tanks and trade to reapers
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May 30, 2016 01:53
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May 30, 2016 01:53
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ImpAtom posted:In non-Widowmaker conversation, where is Roadhog strong? Of all the tanks he's the only one I don't really see a lot of big advantage to. He soaks a ton of HP and is very durable but he also builds enemy ults like woah and can't really do much in terms of actually drawing fire behind being big and bulky and occasionally hooking someone. For most of the other characters I know where they should come out into play but Roadhog I've never found a situation where he really feels strong. Roadhog is the master of punishing over aggressive playing. He can turn a minor overextend into a death spiral that can't be recovered from. He's very much a defensive tank and works best when you are either up against a very uncoordinated team that spills in all directions/trickle in, or by covering the flank routes and pulling key targets out of coordinated pushes. Some of the best plays I've had are getting around the side of a push and pulling their healer out and one-shotting them, then watching the entire push crumble Star did a pretty good video on his strengths/weaknesses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDx1Oy92v7I
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May 30, 2016 01:54
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:What if her butt inflated every time she missed a shot? UHHH... THICKER...
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May 30, 2016 01:57
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ImpAtom posted:In non-Widowmaker conversation, where is Roadhog strong? Of all the tanks he's the only one I don't really see a lot of big advantage to. He soaks a ton of HP and is very durable but he also builds enemy ults like woah and can't really do much in terms of actually drawing fire behind being big and bulky and occasionally hooking someone. For most of the other characters I know where they should come out into play but Roadhog I've never found a situation where he really feels strong. Hes not very good as a direct tank, he plays alittle more defensively and tries to fish for hooks. His hook is amazing since its one of the few hard CCs in the game so it'll allow you to interrupt ults and pull your teammates outta messes. You basically wanna slowly dismantle the enemy team one by one whenever they peep out. He does arguably the worst ult in the game but his primary/hook/self-heal are so drat strong on their own that you can get quite far without it most of the time.
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May 30, 2016 01:59
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Thanks a lot for the answers, that actually makes a lot of sense. I think I just wasn't ever seeing him played properly then.
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May 30, 2016 02:01
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LOL if widow is more OP than mccree tho
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Every time I play Bastion I die in 2 seconds, but I have a gorgeous skin for him. Is it because I'm on console?
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