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I've never played a lot of Street Fighter, what makes this a bad entry?
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May 30, 2016 18:08
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Golden Battler posted:New thread title is pretty good. I'm mad I didn't come up with it.
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May 30, 2016 18:13
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HoboWithAShotgun posted:One of the weird things about this game is just how samey most of the characters play out. Every single Cammy I've played against plays almost exactly the same; standing about half a screen away and just buffering hp or cr.mk into something. If they have meter they'll eventually do an ex-cannon spike (the divekick, whatever it's called) and make you guess between throw or shimmy. Rinse and repeat, no matter if they're silver or super plat. Once you've learned a couple of canned sequences, you can mount a pretty reasonable offence, to the point where I have to respect even the lowest shitter, otherwise I might walk into something like a crush counter sweep and have to guess between which sequence they're going to perform. Not sure how I feel about that. What is it about SFV that makes this situation happen?
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May 30, 2016 18:14
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FactsAreUseless posted:I've never played a lot of Street Fighter, what makes this a bad entry? The game looked good at E3 and then capcom kept nerfing everything until we were left with a crippled game Also, the release was seriously botched and incomplete
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May 30, 2016 18:18
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FactsAreUseless posted:I've never played a lot of Street Fighter, what makes this a bad entry? Well, there's stuff to nitpick from a lot of angles. As a "casual" game, it doesn't have an Arcade mode, the Story mode is horrible (an extended one will be added in June tho) and Survival is a slog with colors locked behind it. From the technical side, the PC version still doesn't support DirectInput controllers and the netcode is weird since one person can have a perfect match and the other one will be teleporting all around the place, so you never know if you had a "good" fight or if the other guy was lagging horribly. Also ragequitting wasn't (still isn't?) punished so people will just quit on you in Ranked matches, avoiding losing points AND giving you any points. As a competitive game, I just think it's kinda bland, and there are a bunch of little stupid things that personally bother me that mean nothing to people that aren't grognards. We mention 8f of input lag a lot, which makes some stuff VERY hard to punish and react to, even offline (to compare, 4 had about 4 or 5f, Skullgirls has 2f). Offense is very limited, but since it's so hard to react to stuff you can just do crazy poo poo and get away with it. It feels like a bunch of characters have similar tools and similar gameplans too. And then there's Capcom being on fire all the time, taking their sweet time hyping up DLC characters (we were supposed to get one a month, Ibuki's trailer came out YESTERDAY and who knows if she'll be out before June comes around), not fixing some of the technical issues or even addressing them, even self-sabotaging seeing they still haven't put their cash shop up.
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May 30, 2016 18:24
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"if you removed the player names from footage i would not be able to tell you who is playing" - infiltration on sf5, 2016
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May 30, 2016 18:33
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FactsAreUseless posted:I've never played a lot of Street Fighter, what makes this a bad entry? I don't have the game, just played the betas, but this seems to cover the things I've seen in reviews. No content - Single player is just survival that is tedious and monotonous - The character stories are just rushed art - No arcade mode - Story mode is bare bones - Some multiplayer problems with lobbies or something - Grinding to get the crappy unlockables is a chore Technical Issues - Certain controllers aren't supported - Some problems with v-sync - no cash store - Online game play quality is questionable Overall design - No punishment for rage quitting - Although the engine is designed to have high quality models, the execution is horrible and most characters look worse than characters in games with lower quality models - Some characters simply feel unfinished and it's unlikely there will be any balance changes untill the end of the year - Female characters all seem to be designed as fan service to otaku
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May 30, 2016 18:45
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As somenoe who really enjoys Ibuki n3S and even sort of in 4, BOY SF5 Ibuki looks nothing like the character I enjoyed other than her lovely new costume. Replaced a lot of her moves with more Kunai tossing. Except now you've got a limited supply of those. They seem to have sacrificed her super good mobility (and replaced it with something to make her slower while doing the same thing) and her harassment tools. They didn't show off Alex's full movelist in his trailer, so maybe it's not as bad as it seems but she doesn't have the slide Neck snap, or the High/Low Kick series, or the command back flip for Kunai mix ups, or even that rad jumping double kick. Her costume is seriously the worst though. She put on a high school uniform top over her ninja gear. It's a lazy idea done pathetically bad. It looks so ugly. I feel really dumb for being this disappointed in a character change, but the trailer showed off very little about what I found fun about the character previously. I'm kind of worried what they'll do with Urien next. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 18:55 on May 30, 2016 |
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May 30, 2016 18:48
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I keep forgetting that gameplay stats were actually a thing in this game that is still broken 3+ months after release.
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May 30, 2016 18:50
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Where's the mouse cursor in the Ibuki trailer? I'm looking around the 48-second mark but I can't find anything e: nvm I just found it hoooooly poo poo
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May 30, 2016 18:50
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Help Im Alive posted:The Playstation store updates on Tuesdays so game updates dont necessarily have to hit tuesday IIRC, just poo poo that goes on the store, but dont quote me one it.
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May 30, 2016 18:51
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Yeah the slip n slide vortex was my jam with Ibuki. This new flavor stuff looks all foreign to me.
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May 30, 2016 18:54
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Also kof characters look butt but the stages (the mexcio one for dinosaur especially) blow everything in this game out the water.
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May 30, 2016 18:54
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Nobody is allowed to make fun of guilty gear character designs ever again. loving upskirt happy schoolgirl outfit with random bits of ninja armor makes her look like a character from literal porn games like strip fighter 4
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May 30, 2016 18:55
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SectumSempra posted:Also kof characters look butt but the stages (the mexcio one for dinosaur especially) blow everything in this game out the water. The generic one is terrible tho. darealkooky posted:Nobody is allowed to make fun of guilty gear character designs ever again. lol
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May 30, 2016 18:56
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darealkooky posted:loving upskirt happy schoolgirl outfit with random bits of ninja armor makes her look like a character from literal porn games like strip fighter 4 sf5 wishes it were cool as strip fighter pictured: strip fighter's creator, named STRIP FIGHTER, participating in daigo's cosplay tournament while dressed as bandit keith from yugioh 
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May 30, 2016 19:02
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wow STRIP FIGHTER has some big tits
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May 30, 2016 19:05
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Fereydun posted:sf5 wishes it were cool as strip fighter isn't that the one male character from DOA that isn't zack or hayabusa
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May 30, 2016 19:12
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Okay, seriously though, Why give Ibuki limited kunai when 80% of the cast already has ways to just eat projectiles?
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May 30, 2016 19:15
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Okay, seriously though, Why give Ibuki limited kunai when 80% of the cast already has ways to just eat projectiles? why anything capcom has done
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May 30, 2016 19:16
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Here's STRIP FIGHTER beating Daigo in SSF4 with Dan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjyWQHmo34k
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May 30, 2016 19:17
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Okay, seriously though, Why give Ibuki limited kunai when 80% of the cast already has ways to just eat projectiles? everyone needs a gimmick to fit into their dumb v-system and they couldn't come up with anything cool while keeping this games commitment to Hard Reads And Commitment also because people complained about vortex stuff in the last game even though the lack of hard knockdowns and v-reversal already gets rid of that
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May 30, 2016 19:18
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FactsAreUseless posted:I've never played a lot of Street Fighter, what makes this a bad entry? If you're interested in why 8 frames of lag is a big deal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CBEVIDwge0 A popular theory is that Capcom intentionally made the game respond this slow to inputs so it can act as a buffer for online play and make both offline/online feel the same. The issue with this is that there's very little communication from Capcom's side to confirm this and it just doesn't feel right to basically have permanent +130ms ping. edit: the price tag is a big turnoff too, $60 is too high until they fix a mountain of issues and add a base level of content expected for the game apple fucked around with this message at 19:23 on May 30, 2016 |
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May 30, 2016 19:18
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NecroMonster posted:why anything capcom has done But no, 3S Ibuki's daggers were a great way to pull back and harass and with good placement would let you stop incoming aggression and punish people for being out of place. Why limit that tool when your core game function already fucks that up by giving everyone but maybe 5 cast members a way to eat projectiles? Why swap out the fast air hops/backflips with a slow moving hover when her whole gimmick was being very mobile on ground and in air? Why any of this?
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May 30, 2016 19:20
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Kunai was poo poo in 3S and was only good for giving the other guy meter or as a way to delay your fall to bait people trying to tech empty jump throws. Kunais are traditionally not projectiles so projectile-specific counters or invincibility shouldn't apply to them, with the downside that they don't cancel out other projectiles and will clash with hitboxes and fall out of the air. Though Capcom will probably gently caress that up too.
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May 30, 2016 19:24
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You can reload the Kunais you just only get 5 at a time
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May 30, 2016 19:26
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if something is good on purpose people might complain!
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May 30, 2016 19:29
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Dias posted:The generic one is terrible tho. It feels like defending sf5 is a losing battle.
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May 30, 2016 19:34
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apple posted:If you're interested in why 8 frames of lag is a big deal:
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May 30, 2016 19:36
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FactsAreUseless posted:This is really interesting. Most of my experience with fighting games is with Smash, but introducing extra input lag seems like a really dumb idea. If you look up the first thread, we kept bitching about normals feeling "stubby" and people kept countering that argument showing that the ranges were similar. At the time we didn't know about input lag, but I'm pretty sure that's what we were "feeling", and that video demonstrates it pretty well.
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May 30, 2016 19:39
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Dias posted:If you look up the first thread, we kept bitching about normals feeling "stubby" and people kept countering that argument showing that the ranges were similar. At the time we didn't know about input lag, but I'm pretty sure that's what we were "feeling", and that video demonstrates it pretty well. A friend of mine and I played a little RISE UP!! over the weekend, and he pointed something out that I'd always thought, but never put into words. Every character just feels impotent. Nothing has impact or interest. It's just all there.
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May 30, 2016 19:41
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FactsAreUseless posted:This is really interesting. Most of my experience with fighting games is with Smash, but introducing extra input lag seems like a really dumb idea. personally, i think the most egregious thing is the fact that the cash shop never went live. let people pay $5 for colors so you can generate some income while you finish your game. this one is the weirdest one to me because i feel like businesses want money. i like the core game. i enjoy playing and watching street fighter v quite a bit. haven't played ranked in a while, hit super gold today. good times.
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May 30, 2016 19:57
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Platypus Farm posted:A friend of mine and I played a little RISE UP!! over the weekend, and he pointed something out that I'd always thought, but never put into words. Every character just feels impotent. Nothing has impact or interest. It's just all there. I feel like Bison and Ryu's moves have plenty of impact on them, particularly their heavies, but that definitely isn't true for the whole cast.
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May 30, 2016 20:11
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Dias posted:If you look up the first thread, we kept bitching about normals feeling "stubby" and people kept countering that argument showing that the ranges were similar. At the time we didn't know about input lag, but I'm pretty sure that's what we were "feeling", and that video demonstrates it pretty well. That's sort of true for Ryu, but after playing a bunch of ST Chun and O.Sagat most characters pokes feel either unacceptably slow or really short. They could fix all the technical problems, but the characters just feel too limited. Choosing a fighting game character should be choosing your toolbox not your can.
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May 30, 2016 20:20
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sfv feels like its underwater during matches. reaction based play is very difficult matchmaking takes forever in ranked modes and when you find a match you very often get rage quit on if the other player is much higher rank because beating you is worth nothing to them and losing would mean a whole day of work lost. In lobbies you spend more time kicking randos from another continent with bad connection than you do playing because there is no signal strength filter There are only a few complete feeling characters and very little variation in play styles The single player modes are awful Everything costs incredible amounts of in game currency with no cash store available. you get 50fm for winning a match. you need to win 2000 matches to earn a character and hundreds of matches to buy stages or costumes. they feel the need to take the servers down once a week for maintenance while other games don't need to do so. Character models are very uneven across the cast in terms of quality and nearly all of them have horrendous clipping problems on the select screen that make the game look like a huge joke. i could go on but i'd rather get back to playing a better game like xrd where every character is radically different, fully realized, and part of a great package of content i'll check in to play ibuki for a bit i guess i liked her trailer.
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May 30, 2016 20:22
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well on the bright side all the characters will be free forever since they're never going to put up the cash shop. I guess that's a bright spot.
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May 30, 2016 20:26
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Kinda cringy, kinda well made. The swedish party leader debate using the guile theme from street fighter on state television was quite the surprise.
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May 30, 2016 20:54
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Doc Neutral posted:Kinda cringy, kinda well made. The swedish party leader debate using the guile theme from street fighter on state television was quite the surprise. They should replace Laura with one of these people
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May 30, 2016 20:57
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 Forget what I said before.
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May 30, 2016 21:01
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So when they release the cash shop they're pulling the DLC guys right? Because that is going to be a hilarious moment.
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