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PleasantDirge posted:PSA from you're fav dumbass wizard: BE CAREFUL FLYING WITH MAGIC CARDS! I have never had a problem getting my decks and small boxes through TSA. Then again, I place my anime playmat next to them and they're in anime deck/cardboard boxes so maybe you should try that next time. Put anime stickers all over the boxes to protect them.
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Rinkles posted:I was looking forward to a madness deck, personally (w/ or w/o Jace). They were too conservative with it. Like the time spiral madness cards were better than what we got in Shadows it felt like.
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May 30, 2016 17:24
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anglachel posted:They were too conservative with it. Like the time spiral madness cards were better than what we got in Shadows it felt like. fiery temper is the best madness card in SOI and it's a reprint...
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May 30, 2016 17:40
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May 30, 2016 17:41
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Jace is very, very good. The combination of lackluster graveyard synergies, limited methods to fill the grave, worse mana fixing, a lack of great spells to flashback, and weaker blue (and probably some other stuff, besides) mean that decks aren't happy to be playing with Jace as much.
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May 30, 2016 17:42
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GeneX posted:Jace is very, very good. I think jace not being good for 3 months is not a huge deal myself. It could very well be the best card in standard in the very next set.
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May 30, 2016 17:43
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May 30, 2016 17:51
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Spatial Contortion is kinda cool I guess.
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May 30, 2016 17:53
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anglachel posted:They were too conservative with it. Like the time spiral madness cards were better than what we got in Shadows it felt like. That's because Madness being good as a card advantage engine AND a way to cheat on mana too often was considered to be potentially broken. They were right to keep it mediocre.
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May 30, 2016 18:08
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Angry Grimace posted:That's because Madness being good as a card advantage engine AND a way to cheat on mana too often was considered to be potentially broken. They were right to keep it mediocre. Except this version of madness doesn't do really do either. Like the madness enablers didn't have much payoff for discarding to them, (the best being Heir of Falkenrath, and I could actually see them putting in a flat 3/2 evasion creature for 2 mana at some point) and the actual madness cards themselves were underpowered and weak. And many of there "undercosted" madness costs were things that they might have printed flat out 5 years ago. (I could have seen a RRR 4/3 haste creature a few years back for instance) Meanwhile they filled white and green with cards that were modern playable. anglachel fucked around with this message at 19:52 on May 30, 2016 |
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May 30, 2016 18:35
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anglachel posted:Except this version of madness doesn't do really do either. Like the madness enablers didn't have much payoff for discarding to them, (the best being Heir of Falkenrath, and I could actually see them putting in a flat 3/2 evasion creature for 2 mana at some point) and the actual madness cards themselves were underpowered and weak. And many of there "undercosted" madness costs were things that they might have printed flat out 5 years ago. (I could have seen a RRR 4/3 haste creature for instance a few years back for instance) Meanwhile they filled white and green with cards that were modern playable.
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PleasantDirge posted:PSA from you're fav dumbass wizard: BE CAREFUL FLYING WITH MAGIC CARDS!
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May 30, 2016 19:00
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Angry Grimace posted:I mean, I don't disagree. Madness was brought back as a nostalgia limited mechanic and not a constructed one. The problem with the Vampire Madness tribal deck is that the deck literally does not function without using Madness, but once actually discarding a card without getting the Madness Value out of it is loving awful and it happens constantly because they set up Madness as an aggro mechanic and you never actually have mana to cast stuff. Stoddard had this to say quote:"We knew how good Jace and madness were—as you have seen in the Grixis madness decks in Standard [what Grixis madness decks?] —but I expected to see more black-red madness or similar decks at this point. Some of that is due to the mono-white decks being generally faster, and the madness decks don't get the same kind of value that the Collected Company decks are getting. We had a pretty good handle on how madness would play out, and while it is a bit below where I'd have expected, I'm still pretty happy with it." http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/latest-developments/shadows-over-innistrad-mailbag-2016-05-13
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May 30, 2016 19:11
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Memorial day lsv stream https://www.twitch.tv/lsv
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Rinkles posted:I was looking forward to a madness deck, personally (w/ or w/o Jace). Me too, I kind of want to take the minor gamble and purchase the vampire deck just in case Eldritch Moons pushes it into being viable.
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May 30, 2016 19:32
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Are we even sure madness is making a reappearance? I bet delirium is the mechanic that carries over between sets.
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May 30, 2016 19:36
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Yawgmoth posted:Spatial Contortion is kinda cool I guess. The implication is that someone who survives this gets super strength by whipping their elongated torso around. Art and mechanics are... unified...!
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May 30, 2016 19:57
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stinkles1112 posted:Are we even sure madness is making a reappearance? I bet delirium is the mechanic that carries over between sets. Delirium seems harder to design a set around when it comes to limited. The formula they use for madness seems to be make a card that would be really solid, then make that the mana cost for madness and overcost it normally. Though I'm not sure either one is reappearing.
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anglachel posted:Delirium seems harder to design a set around when it comes to limited. The formula they use for madness seems to be make a card that would be really solid, then make that the mana cost for madness and overcost it normally. Though I'm not sure either one is reappearing. incorrigible youths has a very good rate as its madness cost, but i agree in general
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May 30, 2016 20:16
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Lets Pickle posted:http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/something-twisted-way-comes-2016-05-30 Whoa I never really looked at the art for Broken Concentration before. 
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EMA value is hilariously lovely on MTGO, but I think at least MTGO can say that it IS doing two weeks of Triple Zendikar and then Zendikar-Zendikar-Worldwake for 10 tix, which is way better value. (Zendikar packs sell for 8 tix, and a single draft of 3 is 10 tix and you obviously can win more points to do more drafts). Jace, the Mind Sculptor is the ninth most valuable card in ZZW: the 5 enemy fetchlands, Creeping Tar Pit, Celestial Colonnade and Mindbreak Trap all cost more. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:30 on May 30, 2016 |
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May 30, 2016 20:25
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Angry Grimace posted:EMA value is hilariously lovely on MTGO, Yep, this is why I figured Port had to be in the set after the first few spoilers. There's nothing in it on MTGO, like at all. I think your best case is opening a $20 mythic or a $10 common which will be $1 by the time the set is out, and you're a lot more likely to open a 1 cent junk rare. Since they're so worried about the value of the cards that they printed a glorified Plains at mythic you'd think they'd throw something in to boost the value on MTGO.
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mandatory lesbian posted:incorrigible youths has a very good rate as its madness cost, but i agree in general Sure, but it's like the one exception. And even Youths is questionable. Like I could totally see them printing a 4/3 haste creature that costed 3 mana so long as it was like all colored mana. Like a 4/3 haste for RRG seems like something they would print as a rare.
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anglachel posted:Sure, but it's like the one exception. And even Youths is questionable. Like I could totally see them printing a 4/3 haste creature that costed 3 mana so long as it was like all colored mana. Like a 4/3 haste for RRG seems like something they would print as a rare. i can see that too but the only having one colored mana is a real difference that you can't just discard like that, imo
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They made madness a limited mechanic, which is fine. I hope Eldritch Moon has madness cards aimed at constructed, but I wouldn't count on it.
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May 30, 2016 21:22
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Lets Pickle posted:http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/something-twisted-way-comes-2016-05-30 Is there a single person who DIDN'T call this? This is the most obvious "twist" of all time.
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It's like that one season of Dexter where they had Edward James Olmos guest starring as a character who was a figment of another guy's imagination and it was supposed to be this shocking reveal at the end of the season but everyone figured it out like 2 episodes on.
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Basically every mechanic is for limited with a couple pushed cards for construction.
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The rare X cycle seems fairly good. I'd say the problem is actually more the lack of credible enablers other than Jace and Lightning Axe.
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anglachel posted:Sure, but it's like the one exception. And even Youths is questionable. Like I could totally see them printing a 4/3 haste creature that costed 3 mana so long as it was like all colored mana. Like a 4/3 haste for RRG seems like something they would print as a rare. Back in Shadowmoor we had Boggart Ram-Gang, which was a 3/3 haste with wither for R/G R/G R/G. But then again Shadowmoor was during a general power creep period, while these days we've generally been in a power decreep period outside of the usual pushed stuff.
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Reprint Basking Rootwalla
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The rare X cycle seems fairly good. I'd say the problem is actually more the lack of credible enablers other than Jace and Lightning Axe. Nah man just Duress yourself. Value.
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I tried hard to make from Under the Floorboards work but in a world of Declaration in Stone there didn't feel much of a point. 
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Does any one know if the second sets of blocks are pretty much already made, or does Wizards look at which decks are making pro tours, and kind of bump down or up the power level of certain archetypes?
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DangerDongs posted:Does any one know if the second sets of blocks are pretty much already made, or does Wizards look at which decks are making pro tours, and kind of bump down or up the power level of certain archetypes? It's way way too late to change anything in Eldritch Moon at this point.
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DangerDongs posted:Does any one know if the second sets of blocks are pretty much already made, or does Wizards look at which decks are making pro tours, and kind of bump down or up the power level of certain archetypes? Sets are finished like half a year before they're actually released. Wizards isn't tuning EDM based on how SOI Standard looks.
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Count Bleck posted:Nah man just Duress yourself. Value.
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My buddy made a RB Madness deck and I put together a GB Delirium deck. It seems like there's already loads of madness cards as it is. Be cool if EDM had some more delirium stuff though. Also, more werewolves. It is a moon set after all.
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