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SeanBeansShako posted:I'm pretty sure politically you are safe because I assume we all here define our politics what we believe in, not what crazy but interesting militarists of centuries past believed in. Plus, at the end of the day we just find old guns/tanks/boats/swords super neat and have no urge to be rascist shitheels. Rascia will rise again
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You will bump into lots of obnoxius conservitives or monarchists though. Oh good lord, the Monarchist Tories.
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goddamn everyone in america loves milhist every dad in the US buys Stephen Ambrose, for instance, or David Halberstam
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May 30, 2016 21:23
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SeanBeansShako posted:You will bump into lots of obnoxius conservitives or monarchists though. Oh good lord, the Monarchist Tories. Sometimes do you get the impression that some conservatives just venerate the poo poo out of the past completely uncritically because that's where the good comes from? I mean, monarchist tories, Jesus Christ
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OfficialGBSCaliph posted:Rascia will rise again Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
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May 30, 2016 21:46
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Empress Theonora posted:Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. Still can't see any reference to this without immediately thinking of Asterix and the Laurel Wreath. 
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May 30, 2016 22:09
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Tomn posted:Y'know, come to think of it, why not talk about battlefield magic throughout history? Lord knows people have been willing to believe in the supernatural for ages, and it's the most natural thing in the world to try and turn it to your advantage in a life or death struggle if you think it exists. So - anybody here know anything much about people's attempts to harness magic in military history? Roman soothsayers reading the entrails, Chinese sorcerers summoning wind and rain, Norse shamans cursing their enemies, Christian priests calling on the blessings of God, early modern kings frowning over astrological charts, World War 2 superstitions about how to avoid shellfire, anything would be interesting - though I'd be particularly interested in cases where it was thought that the wizard in question would have a more direct effect than a vague "good luck." Yes I wish to know about this. It will become flavor text in my novels.
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Tomn posted:Y'know, come to think of it, why not talk about battlefield magic throughout history? Lord knows people have been willing to believe in the supernatural for ages, and it's the most natural thing in the world to try and turn it to your advantage in a life or death struggle if you think it exists. So - anybody here know anything much about people's attempts to harness magic in military history? Roman soothsayers reading the entrails, Chinese sorcerers summoning wind and rain, Norse shamans cursing their enemies, Christian priests calling on the blessings of God, early modern kings frowning over astrological charts, World War 2 superstitions about how to avoid shellfire, anything would be interesting - though I'd be particularly interested in cases where it was thought that the wizard in question would have a more direct effect than a vague "good luck." Well, there's always the Battle of the Bulge Weather Prayer.
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wdarkk posted:Well, there's always the Battle of the Bulge Weather Prayer. quote:When the weather cleared soon after, Patton awarded O'Neill a Bronze Star Medal 
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apparently they made a big budget movie about newton knight! starring wooderson of course https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_Knight https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_of_Jones_(film) this whole thing is super fascinating and I wish there more to read about it
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Tomn posted:Y'know, come to think of it, why not talk about battlefield magic throughout history? Lord knows people have been willing to believe in the supernatural for ages, and it's the most natural thing in the world to try and turn it to your advantage in a life or death struggle if you think it exists. So - anybody here know anything much about people's attempts to harness magic in military history? Roman soothsayers reading the entrails, Chinese sorcerers summoning wind and rain, Norse shamans cursing their enemies, Christian priests calling on the blessings of God, early modern kings frowning over astrological charts, World War 2 superstitions about how to avoid shellfire, anything would be interesting - though I'd be particularly interested in cases where it was thought that the wizard in question would have a more direct effect than a vague "good luck." Herodotus has a battle that takes place around 600 BC that was interrupted by an eclipse, which was taken by the kings as a sign from the gods to stop fighting and they agreed to peace relatively shortly thereafter.
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Fish of hemp posted:Most of the neo nazis I've heard about (the "aryan race would rule world if not those pesky jews!" kind, not "now I wanna sniff some glue and bash some brown skinned people" kind) have started their path by being really interested in military history and trivia. I think it's kinda done the opposite for me because my general understanding of history was "The nazis were evil but incredibly competent we only narrowly saved ourselves by pulling together at the last moment" whereas now I'm aware it was one big rolling clusterfuck running on luck and low-level competence being terribly mismanaged.
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spectralent posted:I think it's kinda done the opposite for me because my general understanding of history was "The nazis were evil but incredibly competent we only narrowly saved ourselves by pulling together at the last moment" whereas now I'm aware it was one big rolling clusterfuck running on luck and low-level competence being terribly mismanaged. Well you can be incompetent and still the most competent one in the playground when the game starts.
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Hello? Who's that? The Oxford English Dictionary? You'd like me to suggest a new definition for the word "war"? Hold on, I'll see what I can do.spectralent posted:one big rolling clusterfuck running on luck and low-level competence Delighted to hear it. I'll send you my invoice shortly. 100 Years Ago 25 May: Aerial warfare continues developing at a mile a minute as the French approve a strategic bombing programme. More men march into German East Africa, this time from the south-west. E.S. Thompson is well enough to go into the trenches, such as they are; General Haig and Wully Robertson have a jolly good chat; Oskar Teichman begins proving his usefulness with some lovely crunchy logistical details; Malcolm White makes a truly laughable claim; and by the end of Louis Barthas's escapades (in which Quinze-Grammes goes to the toilet) I'm on the point of singing The Red Flag. 26 May: Good News - I get to stop saying nice things about General Cadorna. Bad News - It's because he's told his field officers to, in as many words, summarily execute the gently caress out of their men. This also means that news about the planning of the Battle of the Somme is now good news by comparison. Ye gods. Bulgaria makes an aggressive move towards Greek territory; E.S. Thompson builds a bread oven and then gets shelled; and Malcolm White manages to write a diary entry without making me want to conduct him to a wall. 27 May: Some horrible little boil of an Italian battalion commander has already seized the chance to become a national hero by murdering his own men, and prompts me to use the E-word for possibly the first time in two years of war. There's a mild but irritating spanner in the works of the logistics for the Somme; there's a lot of battalions of Riflemen arriving in the sector, and Riflemen quick-march at 140 paces per minute instead of 120 paces per minute like the rest of the army. Hilarity ensues. Speaking of which, E.S. Thompson slops boiling fat down himself; Oskar Teichman watches the Bikaner Camel Corps at work; and Maximilian Mugge has a moment of surpassing insight, one I've enjoyed so much that I hereby resolve to stop poking fun at him.
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Looks like there was more than one WWII bear
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Say what you will but that bear looks like he had a fun time.
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Just finished "A Bridge Too Far." It's a very good movie! You can understand why the Germans won that one, they had a big cat tank that was excellent they were Leopards
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Nebakenezzer posted:Just finished "A Bridge Too Far." It's a very good movie!
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Nebakenezzer posted:Sometimes do you get the impression that some conservatives just venerate the poo poo out of the past completely uncritically because that's where the good comes from? SeanBeansShako is British. Monarchism and Toryism are both a little more current over here you know 
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bewbies posted:apparently they made a big budget movie about newton knight! starring wooderson of course There were some other pockets of anti-secessionists as well, most notably East Tennessee which proved a problem for the Confederates in their campaigns there. I feel like these sorts of things get short shift in the historical education in the US. West Virginia comprised a lot of the counties that voted against secession, too, which was a big reason for it breaking off to rejoin the Union.
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Fangz posted:I want Total Warhammer to implement astrology, but it might be too outlandish for the setting. The Celestial college of battle magic requires students to be proficient astrologers, so no 
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Today is the centennial of the Battle of Jutland. Ask me poo poo, people.
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Ensign Expendable posted:Looks like there was more than one WWII bear Missed a trick by not writing Bearlin and St. Petersbearg.
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spectralent posted:Missed a trick by not writing Bearlin and St. Petersbearg. Bär, as in Brummbär  
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Today is the centennial of the Battle of Jutland. Ask me poo poo, people. What was the attitude of the rank and file sailors of both fleets following the battle? Did they feel they'd won, or were frustrated at an indecisive action, were glad to finally do something, or what? Did they have any particular thoughts about their fleet commanders for the battle - blame or praise for Beatty, Jellicoe, etc?
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Today is the centennial of the Battle of Jutland. Ask me poo poo, people. In the immediate aftermath how the hell did Beatty's flag officer not get called on his mistakes?
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Desiderata posted:In the immediate aftermath how the hell did Beatty's flag officer not get called on his mistakes? Same but for Beatty himself. E: IIRC Beatty and his supporters in the Beatty-Jellicoe debate amongst the admiralty/society undertook quite a campaign to uplift Beatty at Jellicoe's expense, to the point where Beatty tried (maybe succeeded? Can't recall off the top of my head) to get a report quashed which didn't sufficiently praise his headlong aggression on the field, and replace it with one written with the appropriate level of applause. On the other hand, a lot of people were pretty pissed that Jutland didn't result in the destruction of the German fleet, and in fact resulted in the British fleet losing more ships due to a bunch of factors. It was unquestionably a victory in strategy as it maintained the blockade and confirmed the inability of the German fleet to defeat the British fleet at sea, but from the "our ships sunk vs their ships sunk" level of analysis it looked bad for the British fleet command. FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 13:39 on May 31, 2016 |
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Desiderata posted:In the immediate aftermath how the hell did Beatty's flag officer not get called on his mistakes? At the time? Well, Beatty liked him. Later on Beatty threw him under a train. Slaan posted:What was wrong with the bloody ships, today? Bad magazine handling practices. Due to earlier actions the battlecruisers had fought, it was thought that the most important thing to do was fire their guns as fast as possible. In order to do this, they disabled or skipped steps to seal off the power magazines and shell rooms from the turrets. The point of those safeguards was to prevent any sort of explosion in the turret itself from spreading to the magazine and detonating the powder charges. Without those safeguards, an explosion in the turret went from a local problem to a catastrophe.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Was there a better candidate for leading the Battlecruiser Fleet than Beatty? Who and why? Related question: Prior to Jutland, was anyone at all concerned about Beatty's leadership?
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Today is the centennial of the Battle of Jutland. Ask me poo poo, people. Could the Germans have won Jutland, say if the weather had allowed Zeppelins to be used as envisioned?
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xthetenth posted:How did the battleship lines fare in comparison to each other? Were they not doing a bunch of damage to each other, taking more time to do sufficient damage than the battle allowed or something else? Also were there any real mismatches in terms of ship age and how did the older ship fare in those? Well, the Germans took in some pre-dreadnoughts (slowing their whole fleet down a bit), and one of those was the only actual battleship (not battlecruiser) sunk in the whole thing - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Pommern
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Fangz posted:Do we think something similar happened with the loss of the HMS Hood? There's just only so many things that cause a ship to full on explode rather than slowly take on water and sink. Hood had just been rebuilt though so it could have been a fundamental design flaw there. Or just an incredibly lucky shot.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Today is the centennial of the Battle of Jutland. Ask me poo poo, people. Ah my great-grandfather was on the Duke of Edinburgh at Jutland, which I believe was the only ship from it's squadron to make it through the battle. Not really got a specific question (beyond I guess any book recommendation for a general reader?) but looking forward to reading your responses.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Was the German attrition via u-boat plan remotely workable - doomed by bad timing in this instance, or inherently impossible? Absolutely impossible.
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Owlkill posted:Ah my great-grandfather was on the Duke of Edinburgh at Jutland, which I believe was the only ship from it's squadron to make it through the battle. Not really got a specific question (beyond I guess any book recommendation for a general reader?) but looking forward to reading your responses. Castles of steel is a good book with a very long segment on Jutland.
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