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MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

PT6A posted:

I also think the airlines have got things backward: they should give hold luggage allowance for free and charge for overhead bin space, so I never have to put anything under the seat in front of me.

P.S. Premium economy is a delightful concept and should be available on all aircraft. WestJet got that right, at least.

That'll never happen because the airlines make as much or more money flying cargo in the hold than they do hauling your pasty rear end around.

Also gently caress Westjet and their Kool-Aid drinking legions of moron western Canadian fanboys. They are a poo poo-tier company in every way.

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namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
lol gently caress you and your knees imma recline my loving seat all i want

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!
The last time I had a 6 hour flight the couple that was supposed to sit behind me took our seats, and to avoid too much shuffling around as the flight was boarding we just took their seats which were directly behind. the moment the seatbelt sign went off their seats both went back crushing my knees. The last time I am ever so charitable.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
Raise the seat in front of you and then jam it in place so whoever sits there thinks it's broken and gives up.

Number19
May 14, 2003

HOCKEY OWNS
FUCK YEAH


Ikantski posted:

6'4, every flight is a passive aggressive war with the person in front of me who thinks reclining is their god given right.

Same, except I'm 6'5". I almost always get someone in the emergency exit isle to take pity and swap with me. I really don't fit in the regular rows at all.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

I heard Vince Li was just trying to give himself a little more room on the bus. They just pack folks into those things, you know? hosed up if true, but understandable in that light.

Constant Hamprince
Oct 24, 2010

by exmarx
College Slice

Perhaps what the Quebec sovereigntist movement needs is a rebranding, something that encompasses both their policy of economic interventionism and ardent support for a French-speaking nation. A sort of 'national front' if you will

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Dude. "Nationalist socialism" was right there.

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

I heard Vince Li was just trying to give himself a little more room on the bus. They just pack folks into those things, you know? hosed up if true, but understandable in that light.

Matryoshka Airlines always has tickets for some reason.

Ambrose Burnside
Aug 30, 2007

pensive

cowofwar posted:

Raise the seat in front of you and then jam it in place so whoever sits there thinks it's broken and gives up.

i remember someone selling lil widgets designed to lock the seats in front of you in a given position and people going goddamn ballistic over the excesses of the free market

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Ambrose Burnside posted:

i remember someone selling lil widgets designed to lock the seats in front of you in a given position and people going goddamn ballistic over the excesses of the free market

Your right to recline ends where my legs begin! :argh:

tagesschau
Sep 1, 2006
Guten Abend, meine Damen und Herren.
I pretty much never recline my seat on flights shorter than six hours, but if you think you get to tell people not to recline their seats on flights that go across an ocean, yeah, try again.

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug

My coworker was actually legitimately angry this morning that JT "lied" when he told the Russians we didn't need help. :rolleyes:

Pixelante
Mar 16, 2006

You people will by God act like a team, or at least like people who know each other, or I'll incinerate the bunch of you here and now.
Ativan: Making Flights Easier for Everyone.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Pixelante posted:

Ativan: Making Flights Easier for Everyone.

That doesn't help. I'm not anxious, I'm physically uncomfortable.


MrChips posted:

That'll never happen because the airlines make as much or more money flying cargo in the hold than they do hauling your pasty rear end around.

Then they should charge for total baggage weight including hand baggage (or total passenger and baggage weight, but that will never happen even though it should), and charge an additional fee to have access to overhead bin space. And for gently caress sake I want to see them actually use the sizing device and tell rear end in a top hat McFuckface that his overgrown roller bag is not suitable cabin baggage.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
So why did the NDP vote against collective bargaining in the house today?

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

bunnyofdoom posted:

So why did the NDP vote against collective bargaining in the house today?

What are you referring to?

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
C7, the bill to allow the RCMP to have collective bargaining. NDP voted against today

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
really

you would vote to give the rcmp benefits

gtfo

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich
I assume collective bargaining for the armed forces is also coming?

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Oh I am sorry. Guess unionization and collective bargaining is only good when organizations you personally like get them. And yes, I am not denying that the RCMP needs fixing but still, it's bullshit that the NDP voted against this.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
Wow, for somebody who is hyper sensitive about criticism -- to the point that I've given up trying to talk to you like an adult because you become so hysterical about how unfair it is that you're asked to defend the government you constantly shill for -- you sure are quick to retreat into Harperesque obfuscations.

A quick google search suggests the objection to the bill is because while it grants "collective bargaining" to the RCMP it also carves out a whole bunch of areas where they're not allowed to negotiate with management. Sounds like exactly the kind of poo poo-samdwidge-disguised-as-a-progressive-measure that I'd expect from the Trudeau government.

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

bunnyofdoom posted:

Oh I am sorry. Guess unionization and collective bargaining is only good when organizations you personally like get them. And yes, I am not denying that the RCMP needs fixing but still, it's bullshit that the NDP voted against this.

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

I assume collective bargaining for the armed forces is also coming?

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
I am defensive because every time I did respond to criticisms you always either moved the goalposts, made poo poo up, or came up with an ad-hominen attack. But continue your holier than though shtick.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

bunnyofdoom posted:

I am defensive because every time I did respond to criticisms you always either moved the goalposts, made poo poo up, or came up with an ad-hominen attack. But continue your holier than though shtick.

When has that ever happened? Seriously, post an example and I'll talk about it at length.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
oh no the poor rcmp

i can't wait until they start blaming PTSD for everything like the CF

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

tagesschau posted:

I pretty much never recline my seat on flights shorter than six hours, but if you think you get to tell people not to recline their seats on flights that go across an ocean, yeah, try again.

I can't tell people not to recline but I can just push on the back of the seat the second it moves back and if they give me the stink eye I politely tell them they're welcome to make a scene about it.

Only had to do that a few times.

The past half a dozen times I've flown I've been in the pilots seat anyway. Not that a Cherokee is all that more comfortable than flying coach.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
So, assuming that there haven't been any amendments, this article from April would seem to give a pretty good over view of the problems here. Perhaps bunny can clarify since I'm sure he did some research on this issue before accusing the NDP of voting against "collective bargaining".

quote:

A committee of MPs is prepared to make major amendments to a bill that would affect RCMP health benefits and restrict what the Mounties' future union could negotiate with management.

Bill C-7 is the government's response to last year's Supreme Court of Canada decision that ruled Mounties should have collective bargaining rights. The RCMP are the only police force in Canada currently without that right.

The bill corrects that oversight but it also contains a number of contentious provisions that critics say would unfairly narrow the scope of bargaining and negatively affect health benefits for Mounties injured on the job.

The committee is considering the elimination of two such provisions from the bill. The first is the part of the bill that would bump RCMP officers with workplace injuries out of the internal health services regime and into the various provincial workers compensation programs.

Critics such as Ottawa labour lawyer Paul Champ have said that there are wide discrepancies in what those provincial programs cover, which could lead to Mounties being treated differently, depending on where they live.

"If you make any changes, or recommendations of any changes, to the bill — change this one," Champ urged members of the Commons public safety committee Tuesday. "At a bare minimum, doing this change right before you're about to see unionization, where you know an association might want to discuss or negotiate this with the employer, I just think it's a very bad idea."

Conservative MP Erin O'Toole said injured Mounties must have access to the same health services, no matter where they're posted.

"If you look at Ontario, Manitoba and Alberta, which have a presumptive approach to PTSD as being presumptive in the workplace of law enforcement, that standard should apply across the country," said O'Toole.

Harassment in the force

The second area of the bill that could be cut has to do with harassment. Aside from wages and benefits, many unions in Canada also negotiate how members will be disciplined, educated or otherwise dealt when it comes to workplace harassment.

Bill C-7, as it is currently drafted, would eliminate the union's role in negotiating how members are disciplined or in how the issue is broadly dealt with.

"I think that the concern committee members are having is that by excluding harassment specifically, you take out the ability of a union to talk about systemic issues," committee Chair and Liberal MP Rob Oliphant told CBC News.

That's fantastic news, according to Brian Sauve, a Mountie who's with one of the associations vying to represent officers in the future.

"It's a win for the membership. You could see a joint, united front amongst all labour groups as well as the RCMP veterans. The membership should be pleased. Those sections should never have been in this act," said Sauve.

There are a number of other areas bill C-7 would exclude from union negotiations with management, including staffing levels, promotions, transfers, discipline and equipment. Sauve says he is hoping all are eventually allowed by the bill.

Labour association

MPs also heard from Mark Rowlinson, a lawyer with United Steelworkers (USW.) His union is concerned the bill, in its present form, places unreasonable limits on association by preventing an RCMP association from being affiliated with any other labour organization that does not primarily represent police.

Rowlinson called it "a serious infringement on freedom of association" and went on to tell MPs that the USW, as the predominant union in the resource extraction sector, has many members in remote areas policed by the RCMP. It makes sense, Rowlinson said, that USW offer advice and support, such as training or meeting rooms, to any future RCMP labour group.

Oliphant said the committee should complete its work by Thursday.

NDP MP Daniel Blaikie said he and his colleagues know they have to get it right: "I think RCMP members and their families are feeling really pinched in this kind of vacuum period," he said. "It's important that we get them a good law that allows them to organize and start dealing with those issues themselves at the bargaining table."

:qq: How dare the NDP vote against this :qq:

Tochiazuma
Feb 16, 2007

bunnyofdoom posted:

Oh I am sorry. Guess unionization and collective bargaining is only good when organizations you personally like get them. And yes, I am not denying that the RCMP needs fixing but still, it's bullshit that the NDP voted against this.

Unionization and collective bargaining are good but that doesn't mean every bill mentioning them is worthy of support.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
My counter point on the harrassmemt thing is this. Thin blue line. It has been shown that yes, police are often reluctant at best to punish other police for wrong doings. Now yes rcmp management is also a shitshow in this regard too but I feel it is better if a third party would be called in for harrassmemt issues rather than letting the union deal with it.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
So you've managed to make up poo poo that didn't happen, attacked my personal character, and moved the goal posts of your own argument within five minutes of :qq: ing about those very things. Well played.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
(OK that sounds pretty drat shrill but as a reluctant NDPer that's kinda in character :v: )

For his next trick bunny will elbow me in the tits.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Really? What did I make up pray tell? The thin blue line is a documented phenomenon. how did I move the goalposts? I was responding to your criticism by pointing up the context and circumstances that made it actually make sense.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
you guys should just gently caress already

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Well I would, but helsing keeps turning me down. I even have the scented candles ready

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

bunnyofdoom posted:

Well I would, but helsing keeps turning me down. I even have the scented candles ready

You might just have to take him by the arm and lead him through the crowd.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

You made a fine post for yourself. ...For a casualry, I suppose.
Well I imagine the quote Helsing had an issue with would be this not particularly honest bit:

bunnyofdoom posted:

So why did the NDP vote against collective bargaining in the house today?

I think I agree with the LPC on taking disciplinary measures out of the union's hands (no idea what to make of the change to health benefits for injured mounties) but that really wasn't fair commentary.

Meat Recital
Mar 26, 2009

by zen death robot
If you really wanted to know why the NDP voted against it, you should probably ask an NDP member why instead of passive-agressively asking here. Especially since you work in Ottawa and could likely find an NDP staffer without too much trouble.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
what's niki ashton see in her gendered lens

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

bunnyofdoom posted:

Really? What did I make up pray tell? The thin blue line is a documented phenomenon. how did I move the goalposts? I was responding to your criticism by pointing up the context and circumstances that made it actually make sense.

You made a bunch of accusations directed against me as an individual and accused me of debating dishonestly, claims I dispute and want you to either back up or retract. I'd even go so far as to say I'm honestly curious to know if there's any substance to what you're saying. Obviously I don't think that there is, but believe it or not I aim for a certain modicum of intellectual consistentncy and honesty when I post here and if there's a real case to be made that I failed that standard, as I'm sure do, then I'd prefer to be called out on it. For all my disagreements with Pinterest Mom, I tend to appreciate it when he takes the time to outline a specific and thoughtful disagreement with something I've said. On occasion he's identified genuine errors or oversights I've made. That kind of criticism is helpful.

To reiterate something I said when this came up a little while ago, I really find this kind of personal rivalry poo poo to be trite as hell. I like to argue aggressively but there's no need for it to be personal. I'm all for you making GBS threads on the NDP when appropriate - in the last election thread I probably spent more time bitching about the NDP and Mulcair than anyone -- but only if you're gonna at least entertain the occasional debate about your own party. I would seriously take almost any conceivable debate about policy over another page of discussing airline seating and I can tone down my sometimes aggressive tone when needed, but recognize that if you're going to mostly avoid responding to criticism of the Liberals then it's kind of bad form to turn around and attack the others parties. It comes off as though your only real objection is that you wish the forum was pro-Liberal rather than being a bunch of sadbrain nihilists with a (frankly quite exaggerated, given how much time we spend bitching about it,) tilt toward the NDP.

Also, just to be clear, I accused you of "Moving the goal posts" because you went from saying the NDP voted against "collective bargaining" to seemingly acknowledging that this is a foggy grey area in which the attempt to regulate collective bargaining conflicts faces unique challenges because of the nature of the industry. That would seem to be a different and much more qualified position than the one you initially took.

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tagesschau
Sep 1, 2006
Guten Abend, meine Damen und Herren.

EvilJoven posted:

I can't tell people not to recline but I can just push on the back of the seat the second it moves back and if they give me the stink eye I politely tell them they're welcome to make a scene about it.

Only had to do that a few times.

You must be totally fine with people who do not fit into the seat beside you taking up part of yours. Being stopped from reclining your seat (if you want/need to) means the person in the seat behind you is taking up part of yours.

PT6A posted:

Then they should charge for total baggage weight including hand baggage (or total passenger and baggage weight, but that will never happen even though it should), and charge an additional fee to have access to overhead bin space. And for gently caress sake I want to see them actually use the sizing device and tell rear end in a top hat McFuckface that his overgrown roller bag is not suitable cabin baggage.

This complaint really isn't applicable to Canadian airlines, all of which seem to have adopted a new, smaller carry-on size that is unique to Canada. I don't see why I should have to pay extra to check a bag that was purchased specifically because it fit within the old Canadian (and current U.S.) size requirements. Porter actually had the gall yesterday to blame it on Transport Canada. Bit by bit, they're losing all of the advantages they used to have over Air Canada. The time you save by not having to show up to the airport an extra 90 minutes early, in case U.S. customs is backed up for no reason, is next on the chopping block.

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