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Louisgod posted:I think it's cool how the only people that think traditionally blue states are going to go red this cycle are Trump supporters. Please by all means set yourself up for disappointment, it'll make the election night breakdowns that much better. Can't wait for the whitepeoplemourningtrump tumblr after this election. And Florida won't flip...Ohio might, but Trump will be too busy throwing money at California and New York because his delusions have led him to believe he can actually win them.
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MIGF is many things but i do not think he is a Trump supporter
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Alter Ego posted:Can't wait for the whitepeoplemourningtrump tumblr after this election. Oh man I forgot about this completely, one more thing to look forward to in November  This election is going to set the standards for rich, spicy meltdowns mmm, vintage 2012 meltdowns
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On the flipside too I think the people that think Hillary is in for a cake walk are equally stupid. Trump's probably going to own her one way or another once face to face debates kick in.Slate Action posted:Even now, at the height of Republican unity and Democratic disunity, the poll averages don't have Trump winning Ohio or Florida. Those states will not flip. hey pal not sure if you've been paying attention but polls haven't meant poo poo for a while because nothing............. matters.
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Louisgod posted:On the flipside too I think the people that think Hillary is in for a cake walk are equally stupid. Trump's probably going to own her one way or another once face to face debates kick in. I'm curious as to why you think this. I don't think it's gonna be easy for Hillary either, but in the debates? Really? Trump only destroyed Jeb and Marco because a) they were paper tigers and b) they had to court the same lunatic voters he did so they couldn't go at him. Hillary, for everything else that she is, doesn't have that problem. I've never once seen her lose her cool in a debate, nor have I ever really seen her even stumble over her words in an answer the way Obama did. If she gets on the same stage as Trump, she will goad him into doing something stupid--and because he's Trump, he will take the bait and say something hideously offensive. Engaging him in a Twitter war is stupid. Trying to out-nickname him is dumb as hell. But they seem to have learned the first lesson--Elizabeth Warren is taking over needling him on Twitter--and so far I haven't really seen the campaign officially try to brand him with a nickname. Just a couple of trial balloons. And I actually think "Poor Donald" works, as long as they're not talking about money, but rather in the "Poor Donald, he's really in over his head. He's got no idea what he's doing" sense.
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Louisgod posted:hey pal not sure if you've been paying attention but polls haven't meant poo poo for a while because nothing............. matters. Actually, polls have been pretty accurate this cycle so far (in the primaries). Barring a few exceptions, like Bernie in Michigan. The Trump thing was people not believing the polls, or assuming they would turn around at some point, or that people would clearly come to their senses when it's time to actually vote. But Trump lead in the primary from early on, and never really lost the lead. Like I said, there are a few exceptions. But most of those have had Trump slightly underperforming his polls, not overperforming. Then again, yeah, polls this far out from the general usually mean nothing.
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Louisgod posted:On the flipside too I think the people that think Hillary is in for a cake walk are equally stupid. Trump's probably going to own her one way or another once face to face debates kick in. If I were Clinton I wouldn't be worried about debates; Trump's debate performance was a low-fat nothingburger in matchups against such rhetorical titans as Jeb Bush and Marco "Ctrl-Alt-Del" Rubio
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Alter Ego posted:she will goad him into doing something stupid--and because he's Trump, he will take the bait and say something hideously offensive. oh wow I can't wait, this will surely finish him! "hideously offensive" lol man did you just tune in
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My Imaginary GF posted:I have been saying for months that Minnesota is trump country. It is a state of white folks who have to deal with ISIS in their midst, how the gently caress can it not go for Trump? Truth. We live in fear here in Minnesota. ISIS TP'ed my house on 9-11.
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mike12345 posted:oh wow I can't wait, this will surely finish him! "hideously offensive" lol man did you just tune in So you really don't think that screaming epithets at Hillary Clinton on stage would do anything to damage Trump's prospects among voters who have yet to make a decision? Why, it's almost like the makeup of the electorate is going to be different during the general election than it was during primary season.
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Alter Ego posted:I'm curious as to why you think this. I don't think it's gonna be easy for Hillary either, but in the debates? Really? Trump only destroyed Jeb and Marco because a) they were paper tigers and b) they had to court the same lunatic voters he did so they couldn't go at him. Why do I think this? Because Trump is absolute poo poo when he speaks to concepts, ideas, projects, proposals.. you name it, he thinks it up on the fly and will say the opposite a day later. I think he knows this so he's just going to try and attack Hillary's quirks like he did the other GOP candidates and play to the crowd instead of answering questions. And people are going to eat it up. I hope I'm wrong though.
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In what universe is Clinton this debate god she's being made out to be? I mean, she’s not a pushover, but when pressed on issues she knows she's going to get (Goldman Sachs, emails, etc.) she starts turbo-blabbing and shouting. You know when someone gets caught in a lie and starts over-explaining things? That's her rhetorical style.
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logikv9 posted:counterpoint: nothing matters, still Pretty sure that like every Democrat-aligned 527 will run ads about this and the Trump University stuff for months.
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thrawn527 posted:Actually, polls have been pretty accurate this cycle so far (in the primaries). Barring a few exceptions, like Bernie in Michigan. One's opinion of this race versus 2012 has a lot to do with whether or not they include the online trackers. If you don't, it is almost the exact loving same and there are just fewer polls this time around. If you do, Clinton is significantly ahead of where Obama was at this point in 2012.
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Louisgod posted:Why do I think this? Because Trump is absolute poo poo when he speaks to concepts, ideas, projects, proposals.. you name it, he thinks it up on the fly and will say the opposite a day later. I think he knows this so he's just going to try and attack Hillary's quirks like he did the other GOP candidates and play to the crowd instead of answering questions. And people are going to eat it up. People aren't going to eat it up because the people who eat that poo poo up already ate it and voted for him in the primary. There cannot possibly be anyone left at this point who is just holding out to see if Trump will get a little more offensive before they decide, once and for all, that this is the candidate for them. Just like how Bernie needed to pivot to win his primary, Trump needs to pivot to win his general. If the best that Trump can do is insult his opponent and make unsubtle insinuations he's going to have a hell of a time winning over independant voters. The shithead vote is limited and Trump has already captured all of it. Trump's favorables vs Hillary look good now but we're still in the middle of a very dirty primary. I would be very surprised if Trump's poll numbers look this rosy in August.
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OatmealRaisin posted:If she gets pressed on Goldman or w/e and says she'll tell them to "cut it out" I'm burying my head in my hands and staying there until 11/9 Don't worry, campaign internal polling told them that phrase didn't test well.
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Mirthless posted:The shithead vote is limited and Trump has already captured all of it. We'll see, the shithead vote seems pretty open still.
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OatmealRaisin posted:If she gets pressed on Goldman or w/e and says she'll tell them to "cut it out" I'm burying my head in my hands and staying there until 11/9 Trump has handed her a response on that though when he said he was super happy with how the economy tanked hard and then he hired them to run all money aspects of his campaign (and presumably advise him on his finance platform as he considers them "the best people")
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Clinton is a great debater. The problem will be that Trump doesn't really debate, he gives vague answers and insults people out of the side of his mouth and there's no formula for a politician to counter it, because even Palin would try to debate like a politician.
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Epic High Five posted:Trump has handed her a response on that though when he said he was super happy with how the economy tanked hard and then he hired them to run all money aspects of his campaign (and presumably advise him on his finance platform as he considers them "the best people") Yeah I'm down with this I just hate that cut it out talking point.
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Grem posted:Clinton is a great debater. The problem will be that Trump doesn't really debate, he gives vague answers and insults people out of the side of his mouth and there's no formula for a politician to counter it, because even Palin would try to debate like a politician. Yes exactly, that's the point I was trying to make earlier. Trump's good at goading politicians down a hole they can't get out of. Clinton would be great at a debate.. if this were a debate.
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Epic High Five posted:Trump has handed her a response on that though when he said he was super happy with how the economy tanked hard and then he hired them to run all money aspects of his campaign (and presumably advise him on his finance platform as he considers them "the best people") Yeah, a lot of how Trump won his primary was just by saying "Hey, these guys do a bad thing I also do - I bet they won't call me out on it!" and being right about it 100% of the time There is so many reasons Trump won but "He is an awesome political powerhouse/debate machine/incredible campaigner" are none of those reasons Grem posted:Clinton is a great debater. The problem will be that Trump doesn't really debate, he gives vague answers and insults people out of the side of his mouth and there's no formula for a politician to counter it, because even Palin would try to debate like a politician. It will be interesting to see Hillary run up against Trump when it comes time to GE debates. His strategy is unconventional and was pretty unbeatable throughout the GOP debate cycle, but there's a different audience tuning into the national debates and Hillary has had a lot of time to study and practice.
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Good King Boosted was fair and just, and rewarded his subjects with magnificent gilded powers Bad King FIshmech was arbitrary and harsh, and rewarded his subjects with nothing but probations
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Also I'm late here but again, Trump's foreign policy is going to be whatever the Hudson Institute and its ilk want. Stop dreaming of a return to isolationism. All they have to do is bring Trump in to a fancy smoking lounge and look down their cigars with a glimmer of approval in their eyes and they'll own him for the rest of his term.
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Louisgod posted:Yes exactly, that's the point I was trying to make earlier. Trump's good at goading politicians down a hole they can't get out of. Clinton would be great at a debate.. if this were a debate. The problem is that the Republican party have had a crack team of gravediggers digging hole after hole for her for decades and she's managed to get out of every hole they've dug Clinton's been doing this too long for a little needling to work. She's not going to have any Rubio or Jeb! moments.
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as halfway crooks posted:shall we try it straight up from the clinton email leaks? *makes italian benissimo kiss gesture* ohhh that's-a good selective-a quote you deliberately cut out the part where the gold was originally to be used as a pan-african alternative currency but that plan never panned out and no one seemed to take it seriously. it was being taken seriously because it could also be used to finance his military indefinitely despite all their bank accounts being frozen. almost as if the rest of the world was trying to starve him out and when they realized it wasn't going to work they'd have to get more aggressive. 
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i would like to see donald trump in an 11 hour congressional hearing. i wager he doesn't have the fortitude clinton did to sit at a table and answer the same questions over and over.
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Glenn Beck is no longer conservative enough for the GOP  Mr. Pumroy posted:i would like to see donald trump in an 11 hour congressional hearing. i wager he doesn't have the fortitude clinton did to sit at a table and answer the same questions over and over. He would be the first president to just resign in the middle of a term because he got bored of the job Like Sarah Palin, if we'd made her president instead of governor of Alaska Mirthless fucked around with this message at 21:52 on May 31, 2016 |
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babypolis posted:Good King Boosted was fair and just, and rewarded his subjects with magnificent gilded powers Which is bizarre, given their respective political ideologies. Just goes to show you, you shouldn't take political ideology as a surefire indicator of someone's personality. There are probably nearly as many irredeemable fuckers among Sanders and Clinton supports as among Trump supporters. Heroes and monsters on all sides, really. But, regardless of his ideology, Boosted has proved a good and true king, a real Ned Stark. fischmech is Ramsay Bolton.
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Mr. Pumroy posted:i would like to see donald trump in an 11 hour congressional hearing. i wager he doesn't have the fortitude clinton did to sit at a table and answer the same questions over and over. i think it would end up being 11 hours of trump ranting about everything and i would probably watch that hell yeah
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