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Chewbot
Dec 2, 2005

My Revenge Meat!

Grammaton posted:

I got some high praise indeed:



(I'm Croaker)

Black Company reference?

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The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?
I think that just nerfing the overall damage on fan is probably the correct choice. No, it doesn't make perfect sense, but it's better for the game to have it be "Kill this Tracer while stunned" rather than "Go-to melt anything button". A cooldown would prevent the fan-roll-fan combo, but I think that's an imperfect solution.

Mr. Meagles
Apr 30, 2004

Out here, everything hurts


Next Overwatch map should just be Alterac Valley. 40 vs. 40, matches last for several days. Lok'holar the Ice Lord. The whole shebang.

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer

On one hand I'm really glad they're aware that D.Va is in a weird spot because she's probably the character I have the most fun playing..

..on the other hand they don't seem to have any idea what they actually want her to be/do and maybe that's why she's in a bad spot to begin with?

Lady Naga
Apr 25, 2008

Voyons Donc!

Countblanc posted:

Torb's left click does 70 damage, or 140 on a headshot, so no oneshots.

Oh my bad, I figured he fired at 1RPS.

Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

Help Im Alive posted:

Is cowboys using flashbangs even a thing

He was in Blackwatch, the spec ops wing of Overwatch.

General Morden
Mar 3, 2013

GOTTA HAVE THAT PAX BISONICA
is it bad that mccree is the char i least want to hook as roadhog because he can potentially randomly just react to me pulling him in by doing his full combo and straight up killin me

Lady Naga
Apr 25, 2008

Voyons Donc!

General Morden posted:

is it bad that mccree is the char i least want to hook as roadhog because he can potentially randomly just react to me pulling him in by doing his full combo and straight up killin me

It's not random, Roadhog's hook does a fixed stun so if you hook someone at max range the stun will wear off before they get to you.

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:
If they don't want D.Va to deal more damage, just give her unrestricted flight (and maybe the ability to shoot). She'd still be fun as hell without being too good at killing. It'd also help make her ult more reliable.

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

General Morden posted:

is it bad that mccree is the char i least want to hook as roadhog because he can potentially randomly just react to me pulling him in by doing his full combo and straight up killin me

Yeah cause you should be using your alt fire on his squishy rear end.

General Morden
Mar 3, 2013

GOTTA HAVE THAT PAX BISONICA
why is the hook stun duration not constant wtf

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Tom Gorman posted:

Next Overwatch map should just be Alterac Valley. 40 vs. 40, matches last for several days. Lok'holar the Ice Lord. The whole shebang.

They probably want to stay in universe so they would probably never do a crossover map but I think it'd be pretty awesome if they made a payload map out of Alterac Valley. It's perfectly laid out for that I think and it does what Overwatch maps do where the theme changes as you go further into the payload (Alliance -> Horde). Escort a hovercart of explosives or something into the Horde base or whatever idk. I also really want a Garrosh skin for Reinhardt

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



General Morden posted:

why is the hook stun duration not constant wtf

To give certain characters the ability to escape if the hook is from sufficiently far away, rather than it being an instant death sentence if it ever touches you.

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆

General Morden posted:

why is the hook stun duration not constant wtf

More importantly why does it sometimes randomly drop people off to my side or 3 feet in front of me instead of the normal location.

a cat on an apple
Apr 28, 2013

General Morden posted:

why is the hook stun duration not constant wtf

it actually is constant

the hook pull animation is the one that isn't constant :v:

Lady Naga
Apr 25, 2008

Voyons Donc!

General Morden posted:

why is the hook stun duration not constant wtf

So that there's some counterplay to getting hooked from 20 meters (half a torb turret) away. As far as Roadhog design problems go it's probably the most inoffensive.

E: Is graviton surge's damage a single instant or a tick?

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer

gandlethorpe posted:

If they don't want D.Va to deal more damage, just give her unrestricted flight (and maybe the ability to shoot). She'd still be fun as hell without being too good at killing. It'd also help make her ult more reliable.

Her ult is like the only good thing about her right now though.

All of this has been said a hundred times already, but it just feels like her kit is working against itself.

- She wants to flank/harass instead of tanking but her E is a 100% block shield
- She has tons of HP but the biggest hitbox in the game almost completely negating it
- She needs to be melee range to deal damage, but slows down to a crawl when firing


It's just... weird.

J
Jun 10, 2001

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

More importantly why does it sometimes randomly drop people off to my side or 3 feet in front of me instead of the normal location.

If there ends up being an obstacle between the hooked target and roadhog, it will alter where they end up. Common example is how sometimes you hook a target and by the time they actually stop moving on your screen they are behind a wall and your hook is going through the wall. They get pulled towards you around the wall which changes their trajectory and they will end up on the side of you opposite of the wall. Any other similar situation where an object is between the target and the hook before reeling them back in will cause them to move as well.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



RPATDO_LAMD posted:

More importantly why does it sometimes randomly drop people off to my side or 3 feet in front of me instead of the normal location.

I believe it's because either the hook partially inherits the target's momentum (causing them to be oddly displaced), or because the server determines that this is the safest/most accurate place to plop them so that they don't fall through the world.

Ahhpple
Dec 18, 2011

Hi thread! Last night we organized some goon inhouses and had a lot of fun! Tonight we're going to do some more. If you've never joined community inhouses before they're a cool way to get better at the game by playing with and against familiar players instead of quick play randoms. Look at Countblanc's thread for details.

Make sure you're in the discord channel around 9pm EST because that's when we'll get the ball rolling.

Count Chocula
Dec 25, 2011

WE HAVE TO CONTROL OUR ENVIRONMENT
IF YOU SEE ME POSTING OUTSIDE OF THE AUSPOL THREAD PLEASE TELL ME THAT I'M MISSED AND TO START POSTING AGAIN

Zorodius posted:

in case any of you nerds haven't seen The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, McCree isn't just "based off" Clint Eastwood:



and if you haven't seen it you should go watch this classic movie

I've seen it, it's awesome. McCree is great, but we need more Western games like Red Dead Redemption and Call of Juarez: Gunslinger. Junkrat needs an Ugly skin.
What's that spaghetti Western with the circus performers? For A Few Dollars More?

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Your Computer posted:

Her ult is like the only good thing about her right now though.

All of this has been said a hundred times already, but it just feels like her kit is working against itself.

- She wants to flank/harass instead of tanking but her E is a 100% block shield
- She has tons of HP but the biggest hitbox in the game almost completely negating it
- She needs to be melee range to deal damage, but slows down to a crawl when firing


It's just... weird.

Surprisingly enough, I have a ton of fun with her when playing all D.Va gimmicks. Her zero suit form is kinda strong so long as you're not actively being shot at.

Also it doesn't hurt that everyone's hammering the button to make her say "Winky Face" throughout the match.

Lady Naga
Apr 25, 2008

Voyons Donc!

Your Computer posted:

Her ult is like the only good thing about her right now though.

All of this has been said a hundred times already, but it just feels like her kit is working against itself.

- She wants to flank/harass instead of tanking but her E is a 100% block shield
- She has tons of HP but the biggest hitbox in the game almost completely negating it
- She needs to be melee range to deal damage, but slows down to a crawl when firing


It's just... weird.

I still feel like the ult was nerfed somewhat between the time that I first played (around the time of that Fishstix invitational) and open beta, I used to get quad/penta/hexa kills with it reliably and now the only way to do so is drop it from the sky.

General Morden
Mar 3, 2013

GOTTA HAVE THAT PAX BISONICA
why doesn't mccree flashbang actually just blind people

at least then i can flail around like a retard, firing madly in the hopes of doing something (there's your counterplay)

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

Count Chocula posted:

I've seen it, it's awesome. McCree is great, but we need more Western games like Red Dead Redemption and Call of Juarez: Gunslinger. Junkrat needs an Ugly skin.
What's that spaghetti Western with the circus performers? For A Few Dollars More?

Actually roadhog is the canon "ugly"

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

General Morden posted:

why doesn't mccree flashbang actually just blind people

at least then i can flail around like a retard, firing madly in the hopes of doing something (there's your counterplay)

The stun only lasts for .7 seconds, it'd be incredibly jarring for your screen to go black for half a second and then pop back I think

Lady Naga
Apr 25, 2008

Voyons Donc!

General Morden posted:

why doesn't mccree flashbang actually just blind people

at least then i can flail around like a retard, firing madly in the hopes of doing something (there's your counterplay)

Because having your opponent move during fan the hammer causes you to miss a majority of your shots, which is why the flashbang exists in the first place.

Grammaton
Feb 3, 2004
Cleric

Chewbot posted:

Black Company reference?

Yep!

General Morden
Mar 3, 2013

GOTTA HAVE THAT PAX BISONICA
i actually don't care that much about mccree balance

i think he's really fun

my most played character

i just find it interesting that everybody (particularly my friends) loath playing against him

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Countblanc posted:

The stun only lasts for .7 seconds, it'd be incredibly jarring for your screen to go black for half a second and then pop back I think

Jarring...like a flashbang?


Also Roadhog ain't ugly, he's a qt

Lady Naga
Apr 25, 2008

Voyons Donc!
I was super glad I got the shark skin for Roadhog because it's one of my absolute favourite skins in the game.

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer

Spanish Manlove posted:

Also it doesn't hurt that everyone's hammering the button to make her say "Winky Face" throughout the match.

Like I said, she's incredibly fun to play as so I really hope they'll make her work better :3:

Lady Naga posted:

I still feel like the ult was nerfed somewhat between the time that I first played (around the time of that Fishstix invitational) and open beta, I used to get quad/penta/hexa kills with it reliably and now the only way to do so is drop it from the sky.

I thought it was actually "buffed" in a sense; even tiny obstacles like poles used to block it but now you need to get properly behind cover. People have just caught on that you need to get to cover, which honestly isn't hard at all. Go around a corner, stand behind a wall, jump inside a building. The ult isn't good at getting kills, but it serves as a pretty good area of denial tool (because if they don't get out of the LOS they're incredibly dead).

General Morden
Mar 3, 2013

GOTTA HAVE THAT PAX BISONICA

Countblanc posted:

The stun only lasts for .7 seconds, it'd be incredibly jarring for your screen to go black for half a second and then pop back I think

make it last like 2 seconds or something then idk

you don't literally have to take the .7 second stun and transfer it into a blind

Lady Naga posted:

Because having your opponent move during fan the hammer causes you to miss a majority of your shots, which is why the flashbang exists in the first place.

yeah but then it kind of becomes more skill-based, making fan the hammer more difficult to use (now you actually have to aim hehe)

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆

Your Computer posted:

Her ult is like the only good thing about her right now though.

All of this has been said a hundred times already, but it just feels like her kit is working against itself.

- She wants to flank/harass instead of tanking but her E is a 100% block shield
- She has tons of HP but the biggest hitbox in the game almost completely negating it
- She needs to be melee range to deal damage, but slows down to a crawl when firing


It's just... weird.

The problem isn't her hitbox in general but that her headshot hitbox is in the middle of her center of mass, which means she gets hit there super often and effectively takes double damage.

Ahhpple
Dec 18, 2011

Lady Naga posted:

I still feel like the ult was nerfed somewhat between the time that I first played (around the time of that Fishstix invitational) and open beta, I used to get quad/penta/hexa kills with it reliably and now the only way to do so is drop it from the sky.

You're skilled enough that you're playing against people who don't die to D.Va's ult anymore. I never see people die to it now or even anyone picking D.Va period.

Lady Naga
Apr 25, 2008

Voyons Donc!

Your Computer posted:

I thought it was actually "buffed" in a sense; even tiny obstacles like poles used to block it but now you need to get properly behind cover. People have just caught on that you need to get to cover, which honestly isn't hard at all. Go around a corner, stand behind a wall, jump inside a building. The ult isn't good at getting kills, but it serves as a pretty good area of denial tool (because if they don't get out of the LOS they're incredibly dead).

I think they made it travel farther or something? I used to be mad good at bowling with it but now it flies past everyone.


General Morden posted:

yeah but then it kind of becomes more skill-based, making fan the hammer more difficult to use (now you actually have to aim hehe)

Teach me how to track a target with six shots fired in less than a second that seems like an incredibly useful skill.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Your Computer posted:

Like I said, she's incredibly fun to play as so I really hope they'll make her work better :3:


We'll do the gimmick when attacking on lovely maps like Hanamura, because even if we lose it's still fun. However for some stupid reason we'll often win as staggering her E is surprisingly effective for going through choke points.

Grammaton
Feb 3, 2004
Cleric

Countblanc posted:

Actually roadhog is the canon "ugly"



Is this a thing? because right now it says Genji vs Hanzo brawl.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!
Remove D.va from the game and replace her with noted video game protagonist Vivi, star of Vivi's Adventure.

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Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

Grammaton posted:

Is this a thing? because right now it says Genji vs Hanzo brawl.
It's one of the brawls from beta. They tested a bunch to see what was fun and what wasn't but they never released a statement about any of them so who knows it they actually pruned/changed any of the lovely ones lol

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