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From the novels, that character is very very easy to interpret that way.
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Huh, guess that's fair then.
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May 19, 2016 22:03
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I hope they ditch all the continuity between films except for a few basic characters. I don't need to know where Moonraker fits in a timeline with Casino Royale and You Only Live Twice, just make standalone stories.
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May 19, 2016 22:07
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:From the novels, that character is very very easy to interpret that way. Eh, I'd argue that the films and novels are two totally different properties by this point. I think the creators of the Craig reboot badly misinterpreted the reason Bond interest was slumping and why people were interested in Bond films in the first place. It seems like they assumed that Die Another Day was unpopular because the Bond formula itself was disliked, rather than the movie being flawed. GoldenEye proved that Bond could be reinvented for a new world and engage in more serious filmmaking (the statue park scene is really neat and much of the film is shot in a way that holds up today without seeming charmingly outdated like the rest of the series) while still maintaining the charm and "color" of the past installments. Instead, they tried to totally reinvent the movie Bond as a brooding psychopath with a permanent scowl who can't meaningfully interact with human beings in ways other than murdering them.
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May 19, 2016 22:21
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Andorra posted:I hope they ditch all the continuity between films except for a few basic characters. I don't need to know where Moonraker fits in a timeline with Casino Royale and You Only Live Twice, just make standalone stories. Really aside from things in earlier films like Bond having a dead wife and Blofeld being an enemy of 3 different Bonds, and the room full of gadgets in Die Another Day, there isn't a whole lot of continuity between most of the films once the actor playing Bond changes.
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May 19, 2016 22:22
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Angry_Ed posted:Really aside from things in earlier films like Bond having a dead wife and Blofeld being an enemy of 3 different Bonds, and the room full of gadgets in Die Another Day, there isn't a whole lot of continuity between most of the films once the actor playing Bond changes. That's what I'm saying. Quantum was a sequel to Casino Royale and then Spectre tried tying the previous three films together.
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May 19, 2016 23:12
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chitoryu12 posted:Eh, I'd argue that the films and novels are two totally different properties by this point. I think the creators of the Craig reboot badly misinterpreted the reason Bond interest was slumping and why people were interested in Bond films in the first place. It seems like they assumed that Die Another Day was unpopular because the Bond formula itself was disliked, rather than the movie being flawed. GoldenEye proved that Bond could be reinvented for a new world and engage in more serious filmmaking (the statue park scene is really neat and much of the film is shot in a way that holds up today without seeming charmingly outdated like the rest of the series) while still maintaining the charm and "color" of the past installments. And the massive, massive success of the Craig Bonds shows that they were absolutely right in interpreting the Zeitgeist.
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May 19, 2016 23:49
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DominoDancing posted:And the massive, massive success of the Craig Bonds shows that they were absolutely right in interpreting the Zeitgeist. Yeah, considering the 4 films made something like $3.174 billion at the box office (from the numbers on wikipedia) I don't think it's wrong to say they did a fair job of working out what people like.
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May 20, 2016 00:15
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I think the main thing that really has to go is the producers' need to do callbacks to previous films' imagery or gadgets or whatever. Give the next few people 15 years or so of iconography to create so it stands along with the classics instead of having to check off one more box in a production checklist.
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May 20, 2016 01:46
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DominoDancing posted:And the massive, massive success of the Craig Bonds shows that they were absolutely right in interpreting the Zeitgeist. No but you see what I want in a Bond movie is what everyone should want in a Bond movie because 
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Speaking of the books I think it is kind of goofy how they had a built in reason for Blofeld to be played by a different actor each time he shows up (by undergoing extensive plastic surgery every time he escapes) but the movies just had him look the same. For the new Bond it definitely sounds like they're going to skew young going by reports of meetings with Tom Hiddleston (35) and Jamie Bell (30.)
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DominoDancing posted:And the massive, massive success of the Craig Bonds shows that they were absolutely right in interpreting the Zeitgeist. The underlying theme of the Craig movies has been Bond's ability to continually adapt himself to changing circumstances and return from repeated "deaths" stronger than ever, while still remaining fundamentally Bond. And that itself is a commentary on how the series itself has managed to endure for so long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU72v7TgZ2k Craig is the Bond of our time just as much as Connery was the Bond of his time and Moore was the Bond of his time. Jason Bourne came along and tried to kick Bond's rear end in the early 2000's, coinciding with the "death" of Pierce Brosnan's Bond in Die Another Day, a film which appeared to confirm once and for all the end of the Bond character's relevance in this new twenty-first century world (the underlying theme of the Brosnan films was the dissonance arising from Bond's perceived status as a "sexist, misogynist dinosaur...a relic of the Cold War"). But then Bond returned as Daniel Craig in Casino Royale and showed he was still alive and none the worse for wear, and that he could even beat Jason Bourne at his own game. (Note in the clip above that Bond is essentially confronting a twisted, corrupted "past" version of himself whose evil plot is nonetheless horrifically modern and rooted in the realities of the twenty-first century surveillance state. This contrasts with the true Bond's core nature as an unrepentant traditionalist and "relic" of the past who nonetheless possesses the ability to adapt, exist, and thrive in any time period.) Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 16:35 on May 30, 2016 |
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May 30, 2016 16:26
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I kinda love that the Craig Bond movies are gonna end up following the exact quality trajectory of the Brosnan ones: Terrific opener announcing to the world that Bond is back, boring shitshow followup, controversial but secretly best third installment, dumpsterfire but often fun fourth installment.
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DStecks posted:I kinda love that the Craig Bond movies are gonna end up following the exact quality trajectory of the Brosnan ones: Terrific opener announcing to the world that Bond is back, boring shitshow followup, controversial but secretly best third installment, dumpsterfire but often fun fourth installment. I'd agree, except Spectre isn't a dumpsterfire like Die Another Day was. It's a (to me) legitimately good movie with some structural and plot problems which you can either choose to forgive or not.
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Cnut the Great posted:I'd agree, except Spectre isn't a dumpsterfire like Die Another Day was. It's a (to me) legitimately good movie with some structural and plot problems which you can either choose to forgive or not. Oh yeah, Spectre is a way, way better movie than Die Another Day, but they both represent the excesses of their own eras taken to an extent that it stops working. I mean, the first half of Spectre threatens to become the flat-out best Craig Bond film, and then the movie remembers it's a Craig Bond film.
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It's really a shame that Craig is going to end his run on a total whiff.
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Human Tornada posted:It's really a shame that Craig is going to end his run on a total whiff. That's the norm, though.
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So has it actually been confirmed that Craig is done completely, or done after he does the next film, because he's still contracted for one more and I believe script treatments have been done for a long time
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Human Tornada posted:It's really a shame that Craig is going to end his run on a total whiff. Quantum was the second one. Spectre is the second-best Craig film, and that alone puts it in the top 5 Bond films made after the 1960s. Its only 'drawback' is that it goes all-out in emulating the dream-logic of Chris Nolan's last three films, making it the borderline-parodic Rises to Skyfall's Dark Knight.
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screaden posted:So has it actually been confirmed that Craig is done completely, or done after he does the next film, because he's still contracted for one more and I believe script treatments have been done for a long time He's done.
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They offered him $100 million, a producer credit and a ton of back end money and he still said no. Dude does not want to be James Bond any more.
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Can't remember the last time I saw a youngish guy rock thinning hair like that.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Can't remember the last time I saw a youngish guy rock thinning hair like that. It doesn't help that it's long (for the show) and being pulled back. This is his hair. 
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May 31, 2016 14:07
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That guy's about 5 years away from looking like Rory Kinnear.
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thrawn527 posted:It doesn't help that it's long (for the show) and being pulled back. This is his hair. Not an improvement.
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LesterGroans posted:That guy's about 5 years away from looking like Rory Kinnear. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Not an improvement. Okay. Weirdos. He's quite popular with the ladies. As he is quite handsome. Or so I'm told. edit: I kid, since you guys were mainly talking about his hairline. But, like, that is so not going to matter in any movie (Bond or otherwise) they put him in. And the dude is shredded. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 15:06 on May 31, 2016 |
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May 31, 2016 15:03
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Making fun of a potential Bond's hairline is pretty hilarious considering two of the best Bonds were almost bald when they took the role. Connery's hairpiece is like one of the most underrated actors in film history.
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May 31, 2016 15:23
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They should do new Bonds with Roger Moore.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Can't remember the last time I saw a youngish guy rock thinning hair like that. I'll be 32 in July and my hair started thinning late last year when my body stopped absorbing B vitamins and folic acid.
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May 31, 2016 22:19
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Kuiperdolin posted:They should do new Bonds with Roger Moore. That would be so good. I love the version of the Spectre trailer with Moore replacing Daniel Craig and I think it would be an awesome movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJpHIolXg7Q
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DStecks posted:I kinda love that the Craig Bond movies are gonna end up following the exact quality trajectory of the Brosnan ones: Terrific opener announcing to the world that Bond is back, boring shitshow followup, controversial but secretly best third installment, dumpsterfire but often fun fourth installment. I've never understood what everyones' problem is with Tomorrow Never Dies.
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~Coxy posted:I've never understood what everyones' problem is with Tomorrow Never Dies. That movie is ridiculous, I love it
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~Coxy posted:I've never understood what everyones' problem is with Tomorrow Never Dies. I love it too. It's the closest you can get to a Moore film without actually watching a Moore film. I'm really starting to come round to the Brosnan ones. Goldeneye was always pretty good, I love TND because of it's cheesiness, and TWINE is a decent movie that unfortunately has Denise Richards in it and DAD is just so stupid I really enjoy watching it. If Brosnan mostly played up the camp side of things I think people would remember him much more fondly.
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~Coxy posted:I've never understood what everyones' problem is with Tomorrow Never Dies. It does have maybe the most boring Bond car in the history of the franchise with that BMW sedan.
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Yeah I liked TND a lot. The whole media mogul as villain thing is a fun wrinkle.
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I think the Brosnan films are easily ranked in order of release. TND is light and fun, maybe the last of the Bond movies to be like that. The last one with a decent henchman (Stamper), too.howe_sam posted:It does have maybe the most boring Bond car in the history of the franchise with that BMW sedan. I'd argue the Z3 in Goldeneye was worse considering it didn't do anything.
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yeah but he races xena onnatop in that cool ferrari or whatever
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howe_sam posted:It does have maybe the most boring Bond car in the history of the franchise with that BMW sedan.
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Gillian Anderson rumored to be a possible Bond replacement  Isn't she like 50 already? Hard to do many stunts unless you want to look like Diamonds are Forever with how staged it was.
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