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Dias posted:Why Is Communism Ruining Our Overwatch Mei walking down Wall Street and just freezing everyone she sees? Where do I buy my ticket to this movie?
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The Gate posted:I want to say the charged orbs are 40 each, so 200 total if you land them all? Might be a little lower than that, might be 35 each. The trick is that they spam out really quick so if you know you're about to come around a corner on someone, you can charge up and fire of the burst as you pop out for a nasty initial blast of damage, then start using the regular shots. Also good if you can peek on a bastion or sniper that's not moving much and force them to go heal. It's obviously way too early to speculate anything, but I wonder if blizzard would ever add/change abilities on heroes. Maybe make zenyattas charged shot home into enemies with discord orb on them, but only do 50 damage with a full blast? Gives him a new niche in helping to deal with tracers or genjis, makes charge shot not useless, and gives a way for guaranteed DPS. Granted this doesn't fix his bigger issues right now.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:33
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BigRed0427 posted:Mei walking down Wall Street and just freezing everyone she sees? Where do I buy my ticket to this movie? here you go
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Jun 1, 2016 21:33
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BigRed0427 posted:Mei walking down Wall Street and just freezing everyone she sees? Where do I buy my ticket to this movie? We can only hope that's how her short goes.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:34
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Primetime posted:It's obviously way too early to speculate anything, but I wonder if blizzard would ever add/change abilities on heroes. They did in closed beta (RIP Bastion mine) but it's possible that now that it's a "finished game" they'll refuse to implement radical changes.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:35
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cock hero flux posted:Torbjorn hasn't because even though his turret isn't very good he's still actually a good fighter who can mix it up, deal good damage at pretty much all ranges, and throw out armor to his whole team. The problem is that people play him like the Engineer and sit around smacking the turret all day instead of setting it up and then going off to murder people and collect scrap to make the team stronger. If the turret didn't exist he'd still be a solid defensive hero. Yeah, Toblerone is a great character, people just play him wrong. Drop the turret at a chokepoint, and then run around playing as a support/shotgun combo. His weapon is actually pretty good, and he has solid survivability with his armor.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:35
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although mei is really into building walls so maybe she's actually on the side of the oligarchy
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Jun 1, 2016 21:35
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I love winning games, but I hate losing games. That's why I award Overwatch's matchmaking a 5/10.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:37
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I think I'm just going to give up on anyone who isn't Mercy. It seems that being a fussy mom that herds her kittens everywhere, occasionally screaming USELESS CUNTS when annoyed, does far more for a broken team than anything else.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:38
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I got laid off and was worried Overwatch would eat up my attention that should be paid toward getting new work. Holy poo poo are we the same person? I'm also really disappointed in the console crowd for not playing the team advantage and having multiple tanks getting in each others' way; or worse, dual McCree's calling out their High Noon in the same area at the same time. Seriously, just wait ten drat seconds. I'm at least really enjoying the offense and harassment Lucio can bring to any map.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:38
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Lady Naga posted:They think that if you go above or behind the 50% curve they match you with people way better/ way worse until you're forced back to the GOLDEN PERCENTAGE or whatever. 1. I assume they'd turn that off in competitive mode 2. It's kind of weird and the stomp/stomped back and forth should get fixed, but purposeful design choices that discourage competitive min/max obsession and encourage scrubs to have fun (re: win) shouldn't be that shocking to find in OW. I'm not sure about the specific choice here but I think the philosophy is a good idea overall. Those people are going to play no matter what, don't lose 10 new people to fatigue for the 1 who's actually going to toss the game in the trash because of matchmaking algorithms.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:42
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They need to nerf Mei because she's too much fun and I have a hard time convincing myself to play anyone else unless absolutely necessary.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:45
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I've heard a couple of the pro players talking on stream about blizzard devs looking at nerfs for McCree and buffs for D.va, I can understand McCree, but I'm having loads of success as D.Va. She doesn't work as well on defense, but she breaks up defenders so well with all her mobility. I guess you could lower the cool down on her E to give her some more tankyness.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:45
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TheTofuShop posted:I've heard a couple of the pro players talking on stream about blizzard devs looking at nerfs for McCree and buffs for D.va, I can understand McCree, but I'm having loads of success as D.Va. She doesn't work as well on defense, but she breaks up defenders so well with all her mobility. I guess you could lower the cool down on her E to give her some more tankyness. I really like D.Va but I'd like her a lot more if she could move at a decent pace while shooting.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:49
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gandlethorpe posted:I just learned the origin of the disembodied voice I hear occasionally that doesn't sound like any hero. Turns out the Hollywood payload has a robot director in it bitching at the attacking team from time to time. "Jesse McCree? That's a terrible name for a cowboy!"
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Jun 1, 2016 21:50
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i like playing torb where i am the distraction and the turret is the backup firepower. like on hanamura point A defense put it on the upper walkway towards the B point where it can overlook the courtyard in front of A. then hang out on the other side of the courtyard guarding the window/door and retreat back to pull the attackers into your kill zone with their backs to the turret
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Jun 1, 2016 21:51
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Orange Crush Rush posted:"Jesse McCree? That's a terrible name for a cowboy!" McCree giving Reaper poo poo for throwing guns away is great, but Reaper biting back and calling him Jesse always cracks me the gently caress up. 
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Jun 1, 2016 21:52
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I've actually found Torb to be pretty useful on offense depending on team comp. The turret makes a fantastic back-line defense as long as you keep moving it up with your team. It gives pre-warning and strong defense against flankers and Torb's amazingly kickass gun means he's actually pretty effective at shooting through Rein's shield and helping take down enemies just a as a frontline fighter. You don't want it on a team with three Winstons or whatever but if you're eating a lot of Reaper/Tracer harass it helps a lot. Edit: and if the enemy team isn't smart enough to shut it down sticking one on a payload is of course a great time.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:54
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I can confirm that blizz is not forcing a 50% win/loss because I'm at 25% and still losing
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Jun 1, 2016 21:54
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Countblanc posted:I think Bastion is still a strong hero, he just isn't a mindless one and isn't someone you can just "main" like Mccree and expect to do great unless you're just stomping pubs ala seagull. He shreds a lot of comps and is a strong counterpick, and if he in turn isn't counterpicked he can really buy your team a lot of time. One of my more brutal losses was on the japan map from a mercy/bastion combo in the corner with a roaming roadhog. We couldn't dislodge that with two genjis, though in retrospect it may've been a situation to go widowmaker.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:55
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Intel&Sebastian posted:1. I assume they'd turn that off in competitive mode They don't have to turn anything off because it doesn't exist. TheTofuShop posted:I've heard a couple of the pro players talking on stream about blizzard devs looking at nerfs for McCree and buffs for D.va, I can understand McCree, but I'm having loads of success as D.Va. She doesn't work as well on defense, but she breaks up defenders so well with all her mobility. I guess you could lower the cool down on her E to give her some more tankyness.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:55
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Pumpy Dumper posted:I can confirm that blizz is not forcing a 50% win/loss because I'm at 25% and still losing  It really does get noticeable over time though, to the point where it's really noticeable when there's someone competent on the other side and they run roughshod over your group of toddlers and invalids.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:58
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TheTofuShop posted:I've heard a couple of the pro players talking on stream about blizzard devs looking at nerfs for McCree and buffs for D.va, I can understand McCree, but I'm having loads of success as D.Va. She doesn't work as well on defense, but she breaks up defenders so well with all her mobility. I guess you could lower the cool down on her E to give her some more tankyness. D.Va has problems in that her abilities are at odds with themselves. She can't tank any real damage without her E ability because her hitbox and her crit hitbox especially are huge. She has mobility, but moves slow as hell when actually engaging in a fight. This slowness means that she can't chase the person she used her boost to flank while they just kind of wander away from the fight. Getting in on choice picks like a support or their widowmaker that's murdering your team would be great, but she has so much trouble following up on the flanking maneuver. Mercy can fly away to a teammate who then turns around and murders you from afar. Lucio can speed boost away while grinding on a wall. Hanzo will climb a wall. Widowmaker will grappling hook away, flip around as she falls and plug you twice in the face with 300 damage headshots in two seconds flat. Winston essentially does what she does, only better. And it's a pity, since I do actually find her quite fun to play.
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Jun 1, 2016 21:59
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Pumpy Dumper posted:I can confirm that blizz is not forcing a 50% win/loss because I'm at 25% and still losing Maybe they do and you just troll the poo poo out of people so hard they bail on the game? I dunno, do you trash talk or anything?
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Jun 1, 2016 22:00
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I've only played a few hours but I loved the look of Reinhardt but he appears to be kind of terrible. Takes a long time to kill, but it feels like basically anyone can kill me by shooting me from range or at a height. Is there some magic tactic that makes him good, or is he as bad as he seems?
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Jun 1, 2016 22:00
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think of matchmaking as a number range for each player and whoever has the highest number wins. in several scenarios the number gap will be wide enough between the two teams that yeah you'll see some loving stomps. the range should account for playing something you're comfortable with, a good matchup, feelin' good that day, maybe you had a red bull, or the opposite: you're practicing a new dude, or you don't know that map very well, or you just got off a 12 hour shift after 3 hours of sleep and are grumpy as all heck. when you have such a wide variance, you cannot accurately take a weighted number and make great games 100% of the time. it is not possible and becomes less and less possible the larger number of options a game presents, external variables arise, and the more players you insert. matchmaking rating numbers should be imagined as a range or a set or a pattern. you cannot look at a single game and go "matchmaking sucks" because perhaps maybe... it is u the one who sucks (in 3/10 games relative to other players of your skill level)
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Jun 1, 2016 22:01
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The lack of mobility wasn't an issue back when her guns did actual damage and you could fly in, burst someone in the time it takes your shift to come off cooldown, then fly away.
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Jun 1, 2016 22:01
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anime was right posted:think of matchmaking as a number range for each player and whoever has the highest number wins. in several scenarios the number gap will be wide enough between the two teams that yeah you'll see some loving stomps. the range should account for playing something you're comfortable with, a good matchup, feelin' good that day, maybe you had a red bull, or the opposite: you're practicing a new dude, or you don't know that map very well, or you just got off a 12 hour shift after 3 hours of sleep and are grumpy as all heck. also the matchmaking could just Be Bad but it honestly hasnt been that bad for me. i played a lot of games and after about 100ish the game should get a good idea of where you're really at.
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Jun 1, 2016 22:02
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yook posted:Yeah, he's not a brick wall and doesn't show up every game, but he can still blunt an offense just by showing up at an unexpected spot and mowing down two people. Calling him a nonentity is a stretch. I think Genji is honestly less of a counter than people say. It relies on Bastion not being shielded and not being dumb as rocks if we're talking about the reflect. He can peek and hit with left click but several people can do that more effectively
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Jun 1, 2016 22:02
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Gort posted:I've only played a few hours but I loved the look of Reinhardt but he appears to be kind of terrible. Takes a long time to kill, but it feels like basically anyone can kill me by shooting me from range or at a height. I'm just gonna post this again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixmmd5AL_eQ
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Jun 1, 2016 22:02
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TheTofuShop posted:I've heard a couple of the pro players talking on stream about blizzard devs looking at nerfs for McCree and buffs for D.va, I can understand McCree, but I'm having loads of success as D.Va. She doesn't work as well on defense, but she breaks up defenders so well with all her mobility. I guess you could lower the cool down on her E to give her some more tankyness. She sucks but it's not a problem when the people you're playing against aren't good.
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Jun 1, 2016 22:03
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Gort posted:I've only played a few hours but I loved the look of Reinhardt but he appears to be kind of terrible. Takes a long time to kill, but it feels like basically anyone can kill me by shooting me from range or at a height. If you arent walking the rest of your team up to the objective and providing them mobile cover to fire from, you arent reinhardting correctly. He is extremely good, but you do usually need your team to make use of his strengths.
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Jun 1, 2016 22:03
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Gort posted:I've only played a few hours but I loved the look of Reinhardt but he appears to be kind of terrible. Takes a long time to kill, but it feels like basically anyone can kill me by shooting me from range or at a height. Hard to judge a character based on a "few hours" but I think general consensus is Reinhardt is a good, true tank. Play more and git gud bruv. I'm terrible with all tank characters.
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Jun 1, 2016 22:04
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Gort posted:I've only played a few hours but I loved the look of Reinhardt but he appears to be kind of terrible. Takes a long time to kill, but it feels like basically anyone can kill me by shooting me from range or at a height. Reinhardt is a big wall that protects his team from everything in front of them. Stay with the team, they have guns and will shoot things you can't reach while you protect them. In terms of actual 1v1 fighting he can't really kill anyone unless they willingly get close to him but that's not his job. His job is to be a big fat wall that the team stands behind. If someone gets close to the wall he can whack them with his hammer or instakill them with his charge but as far as dealing with people at long range just put the wall up and let someone with a gun handle it.
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Jun 1, 2016 22:04
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I think Genji is honestly less of a counter than people say. It relies on Bastion not being shielded and not being dumb as rocks if we're talking about the reflect. He can peek and hit with left click but several people can do that more effectively Reflect is the counter to bad Bastions and it works great for that; coming in from the side and dashing in for right clicks and melee is the counter to good ones.
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reinhardt is probably one of the most balanced chars in the game imo?
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Broken Cog posted:I'm just gonna post this again That's loving rad. OK, maybe as I get matched with better players my impression of him will improve.
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Jun 1, 2016 22:05
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Gort posted:I've only played a few hours but I loved the look of Reinhardt but he appears to be kind of terrible. Takes a long time to kill, but it feels like basically anyone can kill me by shooting me from range or at a height. Reinhardt relies on your teammates which means basically just skip him until you've got a bunch of wins under your belt because your teammates are literally too stupid to stand behind your huge awesome shield and they won't get better at it until you've got some experience, mmr gains, etc Brosnan posted:Reflect is the counter to bad Bastions and it works great for that; coming in from the side and dashing in for right clicks and melee is the counter to good ones. Right but if we're talking about a scenario where he's shielded in a corner or whatever, Genji isn't going to break that.
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Gort posted:I've only played a few hours but I loved the look of Reinhardt but he appears to be kind of terrible. his charge is hilariously strong, and using it to pick off someone out of position and then going back to shielding is amazing Nehru the Damaja posted:I think Genji is honestly less of a counter than people say. It relies on Bastion not being shielded and not being dumb as rocks if we're talking about the reflect. He can peek and hit with left click but several people can do that more effectively genji's far scarier when he shows up behind and my snap reaction is just to turn while already blasting the minigun, reflecting before i'm oriented but then again i am terrible
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Anytime you pick D.Va, reconsider and pick Winston instead. Signed, someone who initially planned to main D.Va and now has most hours as Winston.
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