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Lady Naga
Apr 25, 2008

Voyons Donc!

CJ posted:

She's still anti-fun if i have to switch to a dumb monkey who walks around with a lovely electric gun getting shot in the face rather than play a fun champ.

You're wrong.

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Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



CJ posted:

She's still anti-fun if i have to switch to a dumb monkey who walks around with a lovely electric gun getting shot in the face rather than play a fun champ.

You have poo poo taste and cannot be trusted.

ScootsMcSkirt
Oct 29, 2013

Game froze at just the right moment for me to snag a great Widowmaker pic, hope this helps with the discussion.

tote up a bags
Jun 8, 2006

die stoats die

What's the best way to find goongroups on PS4? Is there no way to make permanent groups/communities or whatever?

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

CJ posted:

She's still anti-fun if i have to switch to a dumb monkey who walks around with a lovely electric gun getting shot in the face rather than play a fun champ.

Winston owns. Jump on squishies all day. Except for Reaper :(

Cicadalek
May 8, 2006

Trite, contrived, mediocre, milquetoast, amateurish, infantile, cliche-and-gonorrhea-ridden paean to conformism, eye-fucked me, affront to humanity, war crime, should *literally* be tried for war crimes, talentless fuckfest, pedantic, listless, savagely boring, just one repulsive laugh after another
The problem with switching to Winston to counter Widow is she tends to stay up high so you have to use your leap to get to her. Then she drops down and you have to follow to do any damage, then she grapples up again so you're no closer to killing her. Your leap will be off cooldown soon but at this point you are probably poisoned, are behind most of the enemy team who are now shooting at you, and and are playing a dumb ape instead of a cool character with guns or sword's

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



Stoat posted:

What's the best way to find goongroups on PS4? Is there no way to make permanent groups/communities or whatever?

I'm on at weird hours, like 5AM~ US time, but if I'm ever on just add me. I have a few non-goons I play with and we'd be happy to have you in our group. I'm Deadshanks on PSN.

I've added a few people but I'm always hesitant to just invite people out of the blue. I don't know if we can make any sort of permanent group.

Ragequit
Jun 1, 2006


Lipstick Apathy

verbal enema posted:

My favs are a potg where the game goes "eh w/e I blind picked this take it or leave it"

That's pretty much what it was. I was shooting at a Pharah flying around in the air and missing every shot until a Roadhog sauntered over to get plastered. Sharpdooter.

Zorodius
Feb 11, 2007

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SUCK THE SHIT STRAIGHT OUT OF MY OWN ASSHOLE.

BUY IT.
Teammates should be able to detonate Symmetra's orb by shooting it mid-flight :hellyeah:

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

ScootsMcSkirt posted:

Game froze at just the right moment for me to snag a great Widowmaker pic, hope this helps with the discussion.



Clearly they need to nerf Widowmaker's rear end.

Night Blade
Feb 25, 2013

ScootsMcSkirt posted:

Game froze at just the right moment for me to snag a great Widowmaker pic, hope this helps with the discussion.

Zenyatta is looking like he's getting ready to escort the payload.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun
I ran into a situation in quick play and I'd like advice.

On Hanamura Attack, how do you deal with three Torbjorns? We couldn't get through and I'd like to know what the options are. Junkrat? Pharah didn't work because of positioning of the turrets and Bastion melted Reinhardt's shield too fast for anyone to get through safely.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

I ran into a situation in quick play and I'd like advice.

On Hanamura Attack, how do you deal with three Torbjorns? We couldn't get through and I'd like to know what the options are. Junkrat? Pharah didn't work because of positioning of the turrets and Bastion melted Reinhardt's shield too fast for anyone to get through safely.

Two Reinhardts and a Bastion of your own.

Chewbot
Dec 2, 2005

My Revenge Meat!

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

I ran into a situation in quick play and I'd like advice.

On Hanamura Attack, how do you deal with three Torbjorns? We couldn't get through and I'd like to know what the options are. Junkrat? Pharah didn't work because of positioning of the turrets and Bastion melted Reinhardt's shield too fast for anyone to get through safely.

Reinhardt with a Bastion behind him (requires a minimum amount of teamwork). If you can't keep Rein's shield up for more than a second or two you might have to get two Reinhardts. Good luck! If you can't get any teamwork because you're in solo, peek quickly around the corner with Hanzo or Widowmaker, turrets go down in 3 or so quick shots. Junkrat's ok if you can figure out the angles.

For the most part though you need a concerted effort, so in solo you're kind of screwed.

Chewbot fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Jun 2, 2016

MUSCULAR BEAVER
Dec 26, 2014

HENDO! HENDO!

ScootsMcSkirt posted:

Game froze at just the right moment for me to snag a great Widowmaker pic, hope this helps with the discussion.



:tutbutt:

I keep running into different all-tracer teams

its slightly annoying at the start when you don't expect 3 tracers zipping around on point A in 5 seconds of spawns opening, but after that they always just get stomped and can't even cap A

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

Vermain posted:

Two Reinhardts and a Bastion of your own.

Cool

We tried flanking but they had a turret in a good spot to cover the left entrance.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

MUSCULAR BEAVER posted:

:tutbutt:

I keep running into different all-tracer teams

its slightly annoying at the start when you don't expect 3 tracers zipping around on point A in 5 seconds of spawns opening, but after that they always just get stomped and can't even cap A
Four Tracers Two Lucio is the secret sauce

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

Cool

We tried flanking but they had a turret in a good spot to cover the left entrance.

It's a rare game where Hanamura A can be flanked successfully. Two Reinhardts + Bastion to brute force clear the area is about the only consistent way to get through it. Then, of course, you have to deal with Hanamura B. I wish they'd just loving disable the map until they fix it to not be a godawful mess on Attack.

Kawabata
Apr 20, 2014

You plebians just don't know what epic literature is. You should try reading Stephanie Meyer, E.L. James, Dan Brown, or Ayn Rand.
game is still positively loving unplayable cancer in solo queue

will we ever get solo queue matchmaking, I mean sometimes people just want to chill and not get poo poo-stomped by 2 winston 2 mcrees widow mercy comps

Indecisive
May 6, 2007


Kawabata posted:

game is still positively loving unplayable cancer in solo queue

will we ever get solo queue matchmaking, I mean sometimes people just want to chill and not get poo poo-stomped by 2 winston 2 mcrees widow mercy comps

lol

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Away all Goats posted:

Winston owns. Jump on squishies all day. Except for Reaper :(

or mcree, holy poo poo do not jump on a mcree. you can make genjis incredibly sad with winston tho. he's a cool due

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

Vermain posted:

It's a rare game where Hanamura A can be flanked successfully. Two Reinhardts + Bastion to brute force clear the area is about the only consistent way to get through it. Then, of course, you have to deal with Hanamura B. I wish they'd just loving disable the map until they fix it to not be a godawful mess on Attack.

I've had a lot of luck on Hanamura Attack then. If you get a push through any set defenses it'll drop fast. Hanamura B is a lot harder, agreed, but it has more entry points that are easier to use.

Kawabata
Apr 20, 2014

You plebians just don't know what epic literature is. You should try reading Stephanie Meyer, E.L. James, Dan Brown, or Ayn Rand.

nobody is ever laughing out loud when facing that team comp in solo queue tho

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Kawabata posted:

game is still positively loving unplayable cancer in solo queue

will we ever get solo queue matchmaking, I mean sometimes people just want to chill and not get poo poo-stomped by 2 winston 2 mcrees widow mercy comps

My best guess is that you're stuck in the uncomfortable section of MMR where 9/10ths of the people playing are highly skilled multi-person stacks who are playing to win, and you're getting shuffled in as the 5th or 6th person. I've actually seen double Winston only once in my games so far.

Kawabata
Apr 20, 2014

You plebians just don't know what epic literature is. You should try reading Stephanie Meyer, E.L. James, Dan Brown, or Ayn Rand.

Vermain posted:

My best guess is that you're stuck in the uncomfortable section of MMR where 9/10ths of the people playing are highly skilled multi-person stacks who are playing to win, and you're getting shuffled in as the 5th or 6th person. I've actually seen double Winston only once in my games so far.

My main issue here is not losing games, but rarely having fun either way when I'm playing alone (which isn't often thanks god). The double Winston I see quite a bit in certain maps/points, but it's mainly Mcree/Reinhardt/Mercy everwhere, the reason being winning in Overwatch is pretty hard when you're missing those heroes. Oh and obviously constant Lucio on the koth maps.

It's glaringly obvious when you're facing a 4-6 stack and you're just 6 separate dudes trying to play well and barely communicating. Or the opposite. This isn't a MOBA, as long as you can shoot straight the game can definitely be fun in solo provided the matchmaking is fair.

mcvey
Aug 31, 2006

go caps haha

*Washington Capitals #1 Fan On DeviantArt*
Maybe don't solo queue

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Zombie Samurai posted:

More people really should do this. A lot of Reinhardts just stand there and draw fire while the teams scurry around him trading shots. If no one is paying attention to you, just walk up next to him and stick your gun in his kidneys. I've killed a lot of Reinhardts as Lucio because they get focused on blocking your team's main attack, and don't notice the little skater dude scooting around to blast them from behind their own shield.


Symmetra owns because if you ever manage to get a Play of the Game, it's guaranteed to be completely amazing.

poo poo I don't even waste the time going around to the kidneys, if that fucker is between me and his drat team I just walk up through the middle of his shield so I'm square with him and splatter his goddamn pocket mercy with reinhardt-sourced blutwurst. They never loving expect it.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



I do feel that the matchmaker should at least try to lobby groups with groups. Then again that's probably hard since I know my friends have a pavlovian response to leave between games whenever one of them gets a loot box, and I doubt they're the only one.

Also, holy hell, I was immediately turned off by Shotgun Wizard but now that I've played him he's so very fun. Now that I have a skin for him that lets me dual-wield dino-shotguns I'm starting to love him. It feels good when your team does a semi-coordinated push and you jump out from the sidelines screaming "DIE! DIE! DIE!" to get four kills on the point.

Tobby s growing on me too. Set up the turret, doesn't have to be a perfect place just where it covers the objective/an important line, upgrade it if you have time, run forward with rivet/shotgun and collect scrap to throw at your team.

Kawabata
Apr 20, 2014

You plebians just don't know what epic literature is. You should try reading Stephanie Meyer, E.L. James, Dan Brown, or Ayn Rand.

mcvey posted:

Maybe don't solo queue

Other than hoping for a solo queue matchmaking this seems to be the only alternative my friend.

It would certainly be a daring move from Blizzard but they did just release a 20 ticks fps in 2016 so anything can happen I suppose

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



mcvey posted:

Maybe don't solo queue

It sucks being in a foreign country and playing on console. There's no goons on PS4 at 6:00 AM :(

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

(▰˘v˘▰)
Gimme an indicator that the other team is grouped so I know

so i know that the pain is coming..

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
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Zzulu posted:

Gimme an indicator that the other team is grouped so I know

so i know that the pain is coming..

Attacking team on an attack/payload map has two Lucios. I know me and a buddy have done this to push many a team to victory despite itself.



Also, does anyone have any hints with Symmetra? I'd love to get good with her if only to keep the teleporters up and running. The other builders (Tolbjorn and Bastion) I clicked with fairly quick and easily.

Brosnan
Nov 13, 2004

Pwning the incels with my waifu fg character. Get trolled :twisted:
Lipstick Apathy

Stoat posted:

What's the best way to find goongroups on PS4? Is there no way to make permanent groups/communities or whatever?

I was gonna tell you to play with me but lol PS4 are you retarded

Thor-Stryker
Nov 11, 2005

Kawabata posted:

It would certainly be a daring move from Blizzard but they did just release a 20 ticks fps in 2016 so anything can happen I suppose

The more I play the more glaringly obvious 20 tick servers become. I had one where I launched 20feet into the air using Pharah special only to be headshot by a Widow, then the replay shows I never left the ground.

Or being grabbed by Roadhog by a hook that's 5+ feet away.

At least go for 66tick blizzard, this isn't WoW, there are only 12 players Max per a game you cheap fucks.

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before

Thor-Stryker posted:

The more I play the more glaringly obvious 20 tick servers become. I had one where I launched 20feet into the air using Pharah special only to be headshot by a Widow, then the replay shows I never left the ground.

Or being grabbed by Roadhog by a hook that's 5+ feet away.

At least go for 66tick blizzard, this isn't WoW, there are only 12 players Max per a game you cheap fucks.

Kawabata posted:

game is still positively loving unplayable cancer in solo queue

will we ever get solo queue matchmaking, I mean sometimes people just want to chill and not get poo poo-stomped by 2 winston 2 mcrees widow mercy comps

I must be playing a different game to you guys because all I've had is fun in the sun solo :confused:

Yeah I get stomped a lot but gently caress that's online gaming for you, the only way to improve at anything is to play people better than you are anyway

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

CJ posted:

anti-fun

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

(▰˘v˘▰)
the premade teams seemed to become a lot more common after I hit level 30

also I saw a level 80 guy the other day :stare:

JackDarko
Sep 30, 2009

"Amala, I've got a chainsaw on my arm. I'll be fine."
Getting play of the game for killing 3 dudes two of which were tanks as Zenyatta feels so good. I really enjoy it when my team peels properly and their Widowmaker is trash.

Kawabata
Apr 20, 2014

You plebians just don't know what epic literature is. You should try reading Stephanie Meyer, E.L. James, Dan Brown, or Ayn Rand.

abigserve posted:

I must be playing a different game to you guys because all I've had is fun in the sun solo :confused:

Yeah I get stomped a lot but gently caress that's online gaming for you, the only way to improve at anything is to play people better than you are anyway

That is not the issue. Matchmaking per se is pretty good. I don't usually play against/with people that are much better/worse than me skill wise, it's just that sometimes you get the premades and boy you absolutely don't improve or learn anything getting stomped/stomping randoms with your team.

Granted, solo queue improvement would be limited in OW even if solo matchmaking was there, but at least you could still get mechanically better at the heroes you play the times your friends aren't online.

Kawabata fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Jun 2, 2016

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Too Shy Guy
Jun 14, 2003


I have destroyed more of your kind than I can count.



Alkydere posted:

Also, does anyone have any hints with Symmetra? I'd love to get good with her if only to keep the teleporters up and running. The other builders (Tolbjorn and Bastion) I clicked with fairly quick and easily.

You can try setting up little murderclusters of turrets near healthpacks and chokepoints, but that generally only lasts one or two kills before someone with explosives becomes aware of them. Instead, you want to put turrets around the point of conflict between the two teams, where the enemy will be too busy engaging your teammates to knock down your turrets. These are places like just inside the gate at Hanamura A, on the descending side of the platforms at the start of Gibraltar, on the friendly sides of corners in Dorado, and on the inside of all the KotH points. Don't cluster them, but put them close enough that two or three are going to lay into someone the moment they come into view.

Don't rely solely on turrets, though. Your gun is stupid powerful but also a total pain in the rear end to use, because you have to be incredibly close to hit. You'll either want to hang around the fringes of your team and try to flank from the open, or go off on your own down side paths and try to ambush people. If you stick with the team, try to attach your beam to someone easy to keep it on (that hopefully isn't paying attention to you), and once it's spun up to full power try to mow down the enemy team with it. If you go off on your own, lay down turrets behind you periodically, then when you jump someone or get jumped, try to lure them back. Symmetra won't last long enough in most 1v1s for her beam to work but if you play smart you can get the turrets to help you melt people in a hurry. Hanging back and babysitting turrets won't get you your ult in a useful time frame, so learn who you can engage when to get some kills.

You can try spamming alt-fire orbs at the enemy team but you likely won't kill or even wound anyone who isn't blind. Some Reinhardts still don't realize her attacks go through shields though, so you can always try lobbing full charges at them and see what happens.

And don't forget to mash E on your teammates every time you see them.

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