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A. Beaverhausen
Nov 11, 2008

by R. Guyovich

peach moonshine posted:

I wouldn't be bothered if toddlers came back, but I never enjoyed playing the toddler stage so I'd rather the 'team' focus their efforts on other things. But that's how it's always been with The Sims - there are some expansions and content I love (World Adventures, Ambitions, the paid neighborhoods) and others I have no interest in (University, Showtime, most of the paid furniture sets.) It's a large and varied player base.

Agreed, I want University, Seasons, and Supernatural more than anything. The bad thing about them doing so many good expansions in 3 it's hard to put all that in a new game and personally, toddlers are very, very low on the "things that made past games fun" list.

A. Beaverhausen fucked around with this message at 03:05 on May 29, 2016

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Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
Whereas they're high up for me, but I don't give a poo poo about supernatural or seasons. People play the game in lots of different ways.

A. Beaverhausen
Nov 11, 2008

by R. Guyovich
Yup! That's kind of why the Sims fan base was so cool for a while there.

FairyNuff
Jan 22, 2012

steinrokkan posted:

I judge all games on how easy it is to murder an infant in them with impunity (IIRC in the earlier Sims games a child prot. services person would teleport in and take away your baby if you sealed it in a tomb, just short of it dying)

The Deadly Hume
May 26, 2004

Let's get a little crazy. Let's have some fun.
Oh Jesus.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

What the gently caress :stonk:

Mewnie
Apr 2, 2011

clean dogge
is a
happy dogge
That mod will never cease to be hilarious.

Electric Lady
Mar 21, 2010

To be victorious
you must find glory
in the little things
Get to Work worth getting for $28? Already have Get Together. Or are there any must-have game/stuff packs?

Lazy_Liberal
Sep 17, 2005

These stones are :sparkles: precious :sparkles:

Babycue

deadly_pudding
May 13, 2009

who the fuck is scraeming
"LOG OFF" at my house.
show yourself, coward.
i will never log off

Electric Lady posted:

Get to Work worth getting for $28? Already have Get Together. Or are there any must-have game/stuff packs?

Get to work is pretty fun, mostly because you end up unlocking all the workplace furniture for your houses. Jail cell stuff, hospital stuff, mad science stuff.

I don't care about toddlers either way. It annoys me that the "toddler people" want them in the game at all costs, and get pissed when other, more interesting features take priority. Toddlers were never fun :colbert: I say this as somebody who genuinely played an insane amount of Sims 3. They're just a time-sink in a game that really doesn't need more time-sinks. You have to devote somebody's like entire 3 days to teaching walking, talking, and pooping. It's basically only good for generating large amounts of Aspiration Points so you can buy a teleporter or whatever. The skill growth bonus that toddlers got from playing with a skill toy a lot has already been effectively replaced with the child Aspiration bonuses.

If EA can find a way to make Toddlers actually fun or interesting, then I'm all for it. I just don't want another retread of "your household is automatically less productive for a week".

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)

deadly_pudding posted:

Get to work is pretty fun, mostly because you end up unlocking all the workplace furniture for your houses. Jail cell stuff, hospital stuff, mad science stuff.

I don't care about toddlers either way. It annoys me that the "toddler people" want them in the game at all costs, and get pissed when other, more interesting features take priority. Toddlers were never fun :colbert: I say this as somebody who genuinely played an insane amount of Sims 3. They're just a time-sink in a game that really doesn't need more time-sinks. You have to devote somebody's like entire 3 days to teaching walking, talking, and pooping. It's basically only good for generating large amounts of Aspiration Points so you can buy a teleporter or whatever. The skill growth bonus that toddlers got from playing with a skill toy a lot has already been effectively replaced with the child Aspiration bonuses.

If EA can find a way to make Toddlers actually fun or interesting, then I'm all for it. I just don't want another retread of "your household is automatically less productive for a week".

The obvious solution is for them to make a Baby Geniuses themed EP

Chocolate Milk
May 7, 2008

More tea, Wesley?
I liked the challenge of toddlers in TS3, even if it was a bit of a slog. It made it rewarding when they became kids. I still dislike that my TS4 Sims go immediately from being the parents of a baby to being the parents of 10-year-olds.

Hopefully they find a way to add toddlers in a way that is (a) challenging and (b) fun.

wit
Jul 26, 2011

deadly_pudding posted:

Get to work is pretty fun, mostly because you end up unlocking all the workplace furniture for your houses. Jail cell stuff, hospital stuff, mad science stuff.
Yeah the stuff from GTW is brilliant especially if you like making crazy labs and sim prisons. The gameplay basically lets you own multiple lots, but if you regularly switch out household members, it seems to break the money transfer part of businesses. Spa day is worth it because the decor can be cannibalised into some really nice modern housing. I haven't bothered with many of what LGR now has me calling chairpacks.

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter
Today they released a patch that finally lets Sims crossdress or be explicitly transgender.

deadly_pudding
May 13, 2009

who the fuck is scraeming
"LOG OFF" at my house.
show yourself, coward.
i will never log off

Elliotw2 posted:

Today they released a patch that finally lets Sims crossdress or be explicitly transgender.

Man there's gonna be some pretty awesome conservative tears today once Polygon poops out an article. Sims 4 forum posts are surpringly positive. But I guess I shouldn't be that surprised, since gay marriage has basically been in the game for a decade.

gyrobot
Nov 16, 2011
Nah, any sane mind who played Saints Row series knew this was done was done before.

Lucinice
Feb 15, 2012

You look tired. Maybe you should stop posting.
I can't believe filthy SJWs have ruined the sims.

But seriously that's pretty neat.

gyrobot
Nov 16, 2011

Lucinice posted:

I can't believe filthy SJWs have ruined the sims.

But seriously that's pretty neat.

Saints Row did it first, but they just have a PR excuse for it this time.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
I was honestly pretty surprised when Sims 4 didn't ship that way, it's a pretty overdue change.

I hope there's some weighting in how often it generates townies like that though so it isn't just practically ubiquitous

deadly_pudding
May 13, 2009

who the fuck is scraeming
"LOG OFF" at my house.
show yourself, coward.
i will never log off

Koramei posted:

I was honestly pretty surprised when Sims 4 didn't ship that way, it's a pretty overdue change.

I hope there's some weighting in how often it generates townies like that though so it isn't just practically ubiquitous

I read in the forum thread there that randomly-generated townies just don't use the new system at all. You'd have to roll your own and just move them in as NPCs if you want to have like a thriving trans community or whatever.

A. Beaverhausen
Nov 11, 2008

by R. Guyovich

deadly_pudding posted:

Man there's gonna be some pretty awesome conservative tears today once Polygon poops out an article. Sims 4 forum posts are surpringly positive. But I guess I shouldn't be that surprised, since gay marriage has basically been in the game for a decade.

Ehhh we had civil unions in 3.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem

deadly_pudding posted:

I read in the forum thread there that randomly-generated townies just don't use the new system at all. You'd have to roll your own and just move them in as NPCs if you want to have like a thriving trans community or whatever.

Are there truly randomized townies in this game? I just assumed it worked like 2 and you had a premade list of Goopy Gilscarbos or whatever.

IAmTheRad
Dec 11, 2009

Goddammit this Cello is way out of tune!

deadly_pudding posted:

I read in the forum thread there that randomly-generated townies just don't use the new system at all. You'd have to roll your own and just move them in as NPCs if you want to have like a thriving trans community or whatever.

I am glad that they didn't have random townies with the new system. It would just be weird seeing Big Huge Mr. Macho wearing heels and a dress.

mycot posted:

Are there truly randomized townies in this game? I just assumed it worked like 2 and you had a premade list of Goopy Gilscarbos or whatever.
They are generated by the game randomly. Sure there will be some Sims you commonly see, but those will probably be ones who exist in a house to begin with.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

mycot posted:

Are there truly randomized townies in this game? I just assumed it worked like 2 and you had a premade list of Goopy Gilscarbos or whatever.

I generally play with immortal Sims, but isn't there an option to generate new Sims in the menu if the premade ones die?

wit
Jul 26, 2011
I'm wondering how much of a CC breaker this will be. Did they just remove the gender flags for items altogether or go around flagging everything that already existed as both male and female?

Omnicarus
Jan 16, 2006

Full Patch Notes:

quote:

Update: 06/02/2016 – PC Version 1.19.28.1010 / Mac Version 1.19.28.1210

We’ve got some changes happening… and so without any caveating, let’s jump into…

…What’s New?

Major Create a Sim changes:
New options are now available when creating or modifying your Sims. These options provide expanded opportunities to customize your Sims’ style and story.

These options are entirely in your control and the game itself will not modify how Sims appear in your world. Instead this is about adding more tools in your toolbox, and letting you pick the tools that make sense to you while ignoring what doesn’t.

So, what are the new tools and options available to you in Create a Sim?

Customize Gender options
There is a new button called Customize Gender found beneath the gender selection buttons. This opens up a panel of options that allow you to customize details about the currently displayed Sim. These options are specific to the current Sim being edited, and modify the physique of the Sim (does the Sim have a masculine or feminine frame), toilet behavior, and whether or not they can become pregnant*.

*Children do not have access to the Customize options. Teens do, but while they can set their pregnancy preferences, they will have to wait until they become young adults for the choice to be active.

Voice settings
Sims now have access to all six of the Sim voices to expand the range of available audio options.

Clothing Filters
All* Create a Sim assets (tops, bottoms, accessories, hairs, shoes… all) are now available to either gender. Through the use of the filters found under the Fashion Choice option, you can choose to show/hide based on Masculine and Feminine tags.

If you are unfamiliar with the catalog filters, they are found just above the asset catalog (such as tops or bottoms), by clicking on the triangle icon (its tooltip will say “Open Filter Panel”).

As a result, you now have access to a hugely expanded catalog. As an example, by selecting both filters under tops, you will nearly double the number of available tops to choose from (if you were to add it all up, across all of the asset categories, you are coming close to somewhere over 700 assets being added for availability).

*We came close to 100% coverage of all assets, but some were proving difficult for various reasons. We chose to lean towards the ‘give access to more’ over the ‘make everything perfect’ side however. Let us know about any issues you run against.

What about Sims I’ve already made?
I mentioned above that these options are available for modifying Sims as well as creating. So, specifically, when editing Sims via Edit Household from the map, or when clicking on a Dresser and choosing the new option “Change Sim” – you will have access to many editing options that were previously not available for played Sims, such as modifying gender, body and face shapes, and the customize gender options.

We also made the addition and removal of tattoos available in all Create a Sim re-entry modes (including Plan Outfit).

There is a great deal to explore with these expanded Create a Sim options, I look forward to hearing all about… oh, I guess there is a bit more here to talk about.

Lighting Changes:
For players that play with their Lighting settings set to Very High (Options menu under Graphics tab), you will see an improvement to the way sun (and moonlight) project into rooms through windows.

And as well, we have a couple issues that we have addressed.

General Issues…
•You can slot… er pair… connect… attach, yes attach! You can now attach a table to a chair, whereas before you had to attach the chair to the table;The green boundary visuals will also update to include both object footprints now. Err, footprint… um.


•Bills, previously being an unknown envelope in your Sims inventory, will now tell you they are a bill when you hover over them.
•Tidy Up away actions will now also tidy up puddles. And now… some tongue twisters for no reason: The puddles play, kept tidy the tidal pool.
◾A Tidy Up while away, keeps the puddles at bay.
◾Poodles play playfully in the puddles people lay.


•Poodles was only typed here because of its alliteration in regards to puddles. In no way is this a foreshadowing, hinting, or similar… it is only used because of the alliteration. Alligator.
•Non family members may now also get the “Whisked Away” buff when a child or baby is taken away for neglect, depending on their relationship, and the distance to the action.
•The “Whisked Away” buff will now properly tell you the origin of the buff. ;The origin of the buff will not sound like your mother-in-law: “So, let your kid get taken away huh? Forgot to feed him? Do you even remember his name? Don’t talk to me about making room in your home… what kind of household is this?”

•The Hug whim is no longer a flirty whim, but a happy whim.
•Sims now have to wait for the birthday blower to blow out their candles before taking a slice of SimCity Cheesecake. Reminds me of that time when I grabbed my dinner before the moms on Mother’s Day. Yea, that was a mistake…;I prefer to fast now.


•Death Flowers are now considered part of the “Harvest All” action. ◦No longer shall they be ostracized for their death like demeanor!

•The default name for the Book of Life is no longer “This is SciFi book One,” rather it is now “Four and a Half Years of Struggle Against Lotharios, Goths, and Pancakes.”
•Foodie Sims will no longer receive the “Disappointing Drink” buff after drinking reward store bought potions. One steamy review read “After having drank one hundred Potion of Youth beverages, I can not in good conscience recommend this “so called drink” for consumption. One and a half stars.”

•We fixed an issue that could result in light being shown on incorrect floors. If lights are placed on a lower level, it was possible for their light to transfer to upper levels through doors with glass.
•We fixed an issue where the game is telling your pregnant Sims to do push-ups (via the whims), and then yelling at you for trying to do push-ups with a pregnant Sim.

•Sims will no longer get the Comfy or Uncomfy buff from sitting at a pool edge.

•Sims with the “Hates Children” trait now get a happy buff when they fail a pregnancy test… or is that succeed a pregnancy test? I mean if they don’t like children and they are shown to not be pregnant, that is a success… right?

•Fixed an issue that would cause light to bleed through a blocks ceiling. You should see less light bleed at the top of interior blocks. If light could bleed, would it be dark?

•We fixed an issue that could prevent Sims from being able to continue the “Soothing Jets” upgrade on a Princess Cordelia’s Bathtub.
•Sims will no longer reset if they attempt to “Summon a Grilled Cheese” sandwich while holding something in both of their hands. Do not reset on an empty stomach. Resetting is not for everyone. If you or a loved one have blurred vision after a recent reset, queue an interaction immediately.

•Paintings on an Easel, will no longer be removed to the household inventory when the lot is rotated or the room in which the painting is contained is moved or rotated.
•Sims can now purchase items from the Lice Cold Freezer when visiting an NPCs Retail lot.

Get to Work…
•The resize object cheat will now properly resize photographs. But, grandmother, what big eyes you have!


Get Together…
•Sims will now only get the whim to Light a Bonfire, when there is a bonfire present.
•The Sun Setting Park Bench – Floral Edition will now count towards the bench requirement for building Park venues.

Outdoor Retreat…
•It seems as though the hermit had a ‘hermit outfit’ that he was supposed to wear when hermiting. Now, the hermit will properly wear his ‘hermit outfit’. Though, I’m not sure why a hermit cares what the bears see him wear…wherever he may fair… even when he relaxes in his chair… eating a pear… glaring at the hares… who are unaware of his despair… as he sits alone in his soli…tude.

•Sims will no longer have a chance to reset when cancelling roast marshmallows at a campfire while socializing.
•Sims seated at a campfire, will no longer stand up to listen to a Group Story being told to them. Yes, it may be an intense story. But sit, relax. Maybe I’m just going to tell you about a river rafting trip, and I won’t mention anything about the guy with a hook for a hand.


Spa Day…
•Pregnant Sims can’t take a mud bath. They still can’t take a mud bath. However, now, when you try to take a mud bath, we tell you they can’t take a mud bath with a tooltip on the not available interaction.
•Meditating Sims can now have self-discoveries for skills such as Herbalism, Baking, and Photography.
•Socializing in a steam room will now properly satisfy the “Sit and Talk to Your Date” goal when on a date. Also steam room socialization can be steamy. Also, I like steamed pork buns…


•…not that they are the same thing at all.
•But all this talk about steam really got me thinking about how hungry I am and I really could go for a steamed pork bun.
•We fixed an issue where the game is telling your pregnant Sims to do Yoga (via the whims), and then yelling at you for trying to… you know, I’m sensing a trend here…

Cool Kitchen Stuff…
•Ice Cream Cones and Cartons will now inform you (by highlighting yellow) when they are going to be removed from the lot due to a build action (such as drawing a room on top of them).

Movie Hangout Stuff…
•We fixed an issue where a Sim that was on vacation and comes home early, or a Sim that skips school or work, will not be available to “Watch a Movie Together” until they would normally have come home.

Romantic Garden Stuff…
•Sims that become a ghost by way of the wishing well will now properly route as if they were a ghost.


Overall a very good patch. I'm pleased with the lighting changes in particular, they make sunrooms and large windowed areas much, much better aethestically.

JuffoWup
Mar 28, 2012

quote:

•Poodles was only typed here because of its alliteration in regards to puddles. In no way is this a foreshadowing, hinting, or similar… it is only used because of the alliteration. Alligator.

They are due another expansion soon aren't they? Pets coming soon?

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter
They're doing restaurants first, maybe the next one after that.

Veotax
May 16, 2006


Isn't restaurants just a Game Pack and not an expansion pack?

Omnicarus
Jan 16, 2006

I suspect that the Pets expansion will be more of a Farming expansion with animals, with multiple large animals plus dogs/cats and a new area that you can run a farm, vineyard, or ranch on.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
Why do you suspect that? :confused:

e: not saying it's not likely but where have they said anything to that effect?

Corin Tucker's Stalker
May 27, 2001


One bullet. One gun. Six Chambers. These are my friends.
I'm thinking about opening a business, but before I do: Can I just send my roommate to the shop, then keep playing my main sim elsewhere while the money comes in, or do I have to actively be controlling the sim in the store?

A while back I bought a few expansions on sale, and I'm finally checking everything out. I enjoyed the game at launch but camping, doing science/detective stuff, and making dumb clubs goes a long way.

wit
Jul 26, 2011

Omnicarus posted:

I suspect that the Pets expansion will be more of a Farming expansion with animals, with multiple large animals plus dogs/cats and a new area that you can run a farm, vineyard, or ranch on.

Don't think that was mentioned in any of the surveys they've been doing (which if you want to take a stab at guessing the next content have been on point so far).

Corin Tucker's Stalker posted:

I'm thinking about opening a business, but before I do: Can I just send my roommate to the shop, then keep playing my main sim elsewhere while the money comes in, or do I have to actively be controlling the sim in the store?

A while back I bought a few expansions on sale, and I'm finally checking everything out. I enjoyed the game at launch but camping, doing science/detective stuff, and making dumb clubs goes a long way.
You know it would be brilliant if your logical question was the reality. Modders can make custom jobs or unlock other jobs but the game isn't currently working in a way that would create on the fly custom jobs based on your businesses properly. Which is a drat shame because I love making functional towns. I just don't think enough of the simmer demographic are into that kind of stuff to nudge them in that direction. I'm on the far end of that kind of niche, I want dwarf fortress with nice haircuts.

Big Bug Hug
Nov 19, 2002
I'm with stupid*
Love the patch changes!

wit posted:


You know it would be brilliant if your logical question was the reality. Modders can make custom jobs or unlock other jobs but the game isn't currently working in a way that would create on the fly custom jobs based on your businesses properly. Which is a drat shame because I love making functional towns. I just don't think enough of the simmer demographic are into that kind of stuff to nudge them in that direction. I'm on the far end of that kind of niche, I want dwarf fortress with nice haircuts.
Me too!

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
haha, now modders don't have to do female-to-male/male-to-female hair conversions? nice.

IAmTheRad
Dec 11, 2009

Goddammit this Cello is way out of tune!
Dine Out is a gameplay pack. They have not announced the next full expansion pack yet.

Chocolate Milk
May 7, 2008

More tea, Wesley?

wit posted:

Don't think that was mentioned in any of the surveys they've been doing (which if you want to take a stab at guessing the next content have been on point so far).

Logical follow-up: what has been mentioned?

wit
Jul 26, 2011

Chocolate Milk posted:

Logical follow-up: what has been mentioned?

A lot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/simsvip/sets/72157656948813752

JuffoWup
Mar 28, 2012

Wow, if you were to pick your top 3 from that list, I'd have to sit and think about it really. Generations perhaps, but I'm sure enough simmers already voted that one in because toddlers.

On the road has the potential for hilarity with the mechanic active career.
University, because university
Get real could be comical as well since this version has a big focus on social anyway
metropolis would be pretty nice as well depending on how the neighborhoods are laid out.

The superpower and zombie one would definitely be in my most unappealing list.

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Literal Nazi Furry
Jan 27, 2008

Swastika - Helvetica - Ikea
Last night I dreamt of Adolf searching for Anne.
I lay on my back
standing alone in the corner watching the girls dance.

I'm on crystal meth.
I piss in my pants.

deadly_pudding posted:

Man there's gonna be some pretty awesome conservative tears today once Polygon poops out an article. Sims 4 forum posts are surpringly positive. But I guess I shouldn't be that surprised, since gay marriage has basically been in the game for a decade.

funny to hear since the tumblr sims fandom is vicious about SJWs ruining sims with their political correctness, oddly enough.

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