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Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe

Endie posted:

I do check reddit a couple of times a day, skimming down the headlines to see if there is any low-hanging comment karma to be mined, but I certainly don't click on every topic with the obsessiveness that some here display. No, I hadn't seen any PL guys posting threads about our k/d ration but I'll go there now and I promise to laugh at them when I find it.

It's tricky, you're looking for a post about the activity totals where the PL number is better because they kill a bazillion capsules and frigates.

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Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe
bat country more like bat crazy

brand engager
Mar 23, 2011

Endie posted:

I do check reddit a couple of times a day, skimming down the headlines to see if there is any low-hanging comment karma to be mined, but I certainly don't click on every topic with the obsessiveness that some here display. No, I hadn't seen any PL guys posting threads about our k/d ration but I'll go there now and I promise to laugh at them when I find it.

Edit: I went down the first page and couldn't find any examples of that, despite clicking a few links. Maybe you mean the zkillboard admin's post that I linked earlier, which is tangentially related to it but not by someone in PL as far as I know? Maybe a PL member responds in there (and maybe the flair is real)? I certainly am not saying that no PL member has never discussed the topic: that would be silly, since I'm responding to k/d-centric posts like yours right now. I'm just trying to tell you and Cain and others like you that I've never seen the angst about killboard stats that you imagine exists, and it's a pretty clear example of misunderstanding PL, willfully or not. I get it, though: I thought it would be a big deal, too, when I joined.

Someone on reddit is Very Concerned about PL's kb efficiency but he isn't in it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4kgr9f/pandemic_legion_efficiency_tanks_into_the_50s/
It's GSF FC Asher Elias

Endie
Feb 7, 2007

Jings

Aihwa posted:

Like I said, KB stats importance goes up or down depending on how good your KB looks.

EDIT: As does dotlan stats. Which a few weeks ago, goons were REALLY hot on how important dotlan stats were.

That's a fair point, although I've not seen anyone saying "yay look at our k/d ratio right now" (which from frozenpussy's post is, I imagine, good right now?) or efficiency (which I suspect must have been good in previous months) or the like. I do see a lot of people mentioning dotlan figures for alliance numbers, though, yes, and there was much poring over sov stats for a while, so you're absolutely right that people do pick on the numbers that interest them at that point.

SperginMcBadposter posted:

Someone on reddit is Very Concerned about PL's kb efficiency but he isn't in it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4kgr9f/pandemic_legion_efficiency_tanks_into_the_50s/
It's GSF FC Asher Elias

Oh frozenpussy you dafty :cripes:

Endie fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Jun 3, 2016

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE
Someone needs to come up with a name with the method of marginalizing or pointing to the irreverence of things, and then when you are favorable in those things to point that out to the people who it matters to. I see it all the time especially in eve, where (no mad, this is genuine) goons continually poke fun at people who care about killboards, but when they're ahead tout their supremacy in it as a double whammy to the people they beat, or the classic "We're bad at this game, so if we lose no big deal; If we win it's an even greater victory because we're so bad."

It's actually pretty interesting.

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Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe
Spergin has never made any salient points as far as I've seen so I'm not surprised but Endie apparently you had a reputation at one point, or have you always resorted to straight up acting crazy when backed into a corner

brand engager
Mar 23, 2011

frozenpussy posted:

Spergin has never made any salient points as far as I've seen so I'm not surprised

Oh no the disney porn drawer doesn't respect me, whatever will I do? :allears:

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

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~SMcD

i think the quibbling over kb stats worked alright, hostiles downshipped from caps to t1 subcaps and called in the rest of the cfc. to help them :thumbsup:

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

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that being said "manny cannot be trusted to dress himself" would also work as an explanation in my book, sadly i can't prove either one

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



edit: probably dumb doxxing stuff if someone knew what i meant

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

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redacted

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



Glory of Arioch posted:

that is a pretty awful stereotype goonsir

You have to admit, it's pretty impressive wordplay though.

dialhforhero
Apr 3, 2008
Am I 🧑‍🏫 out of touch🤔? No🧐, it's the children👶 who are wrong🤷🏼‍♂️
Every page I read a lot of bullshit and garbage. All you gotta do is be in Sigma and own or get owned in north Pure Blind for 2 hours every night or so and chill and have weed chat and not give a gently caress about stats or anything else except your fellow sigger and the game is pretty baller fyi.

Sigma supremacy.

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Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe

SperginMcBadposter posted:

Oh no the disney porn drawer doesn't respect me, whatever will I do? :allears:

I respect you as much as I should I just wouldn't ask you to defend me in an argument as long as the best you got is a dig about something I changed my own name to

Lugnut Seatcushion
May 4, 2013
Lipstick Apathy

frozenpussy posted:

I respect you as much as I should I just wouldn't ask you to defend me in an argument as long as the best you got is a dig about something I changed my own name to

nice self own retard

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Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe

cravius posted:

nice self own retard

good sir that word hurts my feelings

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

Glory of Arioch posted:

i think the quibbling over kb stats worked alright, hostiles downshipped from caps to t1 subcaps and called in the rest of the cfc. to help them :thumbsup:

I like when non-capital using alliances get so desperate for attention they poorly track the activities of cap using alliances.

:allears: tell me more about me.

SperginMcBadposter posted:

Someone on reddit is Very Concerned about PL's kb efficiency but he isn't in it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4kgr9f/pandemic_legion_efficiency_tanks_into_the_50s/
It's GSF FC Asher Elias

Don't tell him PL ended up 10% ahead of GSF in efficiency for the month of May- which has been the 2nd consecutive lowest month for them since December 2014.

Apparently this is a hot topic on that side of the fence.

Xolve fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Jun 3, 2016

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Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe
Xolve recruit bill tia

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

frozenpussy posted:

Xolve recruit bill tia

yeah his one wish was to be in bob and you guys are the closest thing so

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

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~SMcD

Xolve posted:

I like when non-capital using alliances get so desperate for attention they poorly track the activities of cap using alliances.

:allears: tell me more about me.

i mean, am i wrong, wouldn't a pile of HAW titans absolutely wreck canes basically every time

you've got the numbers, supercap superiority, and cfc. backing you

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

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i mean i'll be the first to admit i'm bad at eve pvp, i barely log in, but a shield tanked MWDing battlecruiser seems like it'd be pretty easy for a HAW titan to hit, especially if you've got anything in the way of webs and paints

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Nearly a decade of PL harping on their KB, and you join them and suddenly it's "no big deal bro".

nomad2020
Jan 30, 2007

Glory of Arioch posted:

i mean i'll be the first to admit i'm bad at eve pvp, i barely log in, but a shield tanked MWDing battlecruiser seems like it'd be pretty easy for a HAW titan to hit, especially if you've got anything in the way of webs and paints

Are you suggesting that Titans aren't just for shooting POS?!

RazNation
Aug 5, 2015

ullerrm posted:

Holy poo poo, these last two pages are terrible. Let's put down some facts.

* The main reason zKB adopted CREST is that it becomes impossible to submit fake killmails. (And eliminates some parsing ambiguities, especially wrt killmails generated by the German-language Eve client.) zKB is still reliant on API keys, or manual posting, in order to get the CREST URLs. Even NPC killmails won't show up unless the loser (or the loser's corp) has given their API key to zKB.

* Multiple alliances exist with "no API keys shall be given to zKB" policies, most famously PL -- and some alliances have even been known to broker deals with their enemies to ensure that neither side posts their losses. This player behavior has resulted in CCP deciding, for now, to not automatically expose a feed of all deaths.

* zKB points are entirely pointless. They used to be a holdover from EDK, where they were arbitrarily chosen based on ship "threat" by the maintainers; today, a ship's point value is actually automatically calculated by mass.

* Killboard wanking is mildly useful for quantitizing your own idiocy. Not so good for quantitizing others' idiocies. Super good for rustling jimmies, though.

e: Oh, and one last bit:


I'm not sure that Garmon's the best example -- he was good at small gang PvP, sure, but he also ate a permaban for RMT and hasn't been active for years.

Wait what? a TL;DR of the last two pages?

Now I find this? Fawk, that's twenty minutes that I won't get back.

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

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nomad2020 posted:

Are you suggesting that Titans aren't just for shooting POS?!

hosed up but true

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

CainFortea posted:

Nearly a decade of PL harping on their KB, and you join them and suddenly it's "no big deal bro".

Outside of an individual fight, it's very much 'no big deal'.

Maybe on an individual level, or a corp level- but a lot of people (if not most) aren't too caught up in the alliance metrics. I get that some people are more easily trolled about killboard stats than others, and if that's your angle, do your thing. However, buying into that 'we are our killboard efficiency' nonsense that Mittens prattles on and on about though is beyond laughable.

Glory of Arioch posted:

i mean i'll be the first to admit i'm bad at eve pvp, i barely log in, but a shield tanked MWDing battlecruiser seems like it'd be pretty easy for a HAW titan to hit, especially if you've got anything in the way of webs and paints

Good thing drakes are still paying for their sins then.

HAWs hit everything sub-cap a little too well. Let's see how long this poo poo lasts this time.

RazNation posted:

Wait what? a TL;DR of the last two pages?

:gary: "YOU CARE ABOUT KILLBOARD STATS" :mensch:

:mensch: "NO YOU DO!" :yarg:

Xolve fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Jun 3, 2016

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine

Xolve posted:

:gary: "YOU ..." :mensch:

:mensch: "NO YOU ...!" :yarg:

With a little editing it's more like a tldr of the past 227 pages tbqh

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

Xolve posted:

Outside of an individual fight, it's very much 'no big deal'.

Maybe on an individual level, or a corp level- but a lot of people (if not most) aren't too caught up in the alliance metrics. I get that some people are more easily trolled about killboard stats than others, and if that's your angle, do your thing. However, buying into that 'we are our killboard efficiency' nonsense that Mittens prattles on and on about though is beyond laughable.


Good thing drakes are still paying for their sins then.

HAWs hit everything sub-cap a little too well. Let's see how long this poo poo lasts this time.


:gary: "YOU CARE ABOUT KILLBOARD STATS" :mensch:

:mensch: "NO YOU DO!" :yarg:

Thank you for the thread summary.

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Gary Oldman is cool and good and does not deserve to be associated with that bad dumb argument in any way. Shame on you Xolve.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
Did you seriously broadcast a mtu kill? 15m one at that? Christ I'm glad I left

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




Endie posted:

I'll say it again: the only place I see debating and discussing PL's k/d ratio

ordo garr laid out the low-hanging fruit earlier today and i bit a couple times then went to play games. Come back two pages and 10 hours later and its still going welp

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

Despera posted:

Did you seriously broadcast a mtu kill? 15m one at that? Christ I'm glad I left

So are we

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011





Left but they still check them pings religiously

Zephyrine
Jun 10, 2014

This is what meat is supposed to be like, dingus

Aihwa posted:

I assume when logi are credited on km's.

Can you imagine if logi ended up on the kms for all the kills by the people they repaired?

At first it would probably lead to a huge increase in logi. And then end up with logi pilots repair "tagging" hostile pilots to end up on their kills.

FranktheBank
May 14, 2007
In the beginning...the universe was created. his has been widely regarded as a bad move and has made a lot of people very angry.
I'm looking for a ship + fit to solo Sansha 10/10s. I think the popular ones I have seen are Tengu, Golem, or Paladin? I have pretty much no clue about how to fly any ship that isn't a VNI. I just want a goal to work towards.

Thanks.

Jon Von Anchovi
Sep 5, 2014

:australia:

FranktheBank posted:

I'm looking for a ship + fit to solo Sansha 10/10s. I think the popular ones I have seen are Tengu, Golem, or Paladin? I have pretty much no clue about how to fly any ship that isn't a VNI. I just want a goal to work towards.

Thanks.

I ran guristas 10/10 solo in a tengu. It appears the sansha is the same but with a 105k raw dmg em torpedo instead of kinetic. The tengu native kin resist makes it relatively inexpensive to get 98% kin resist making the dmg laughable.

The below should work for EM dmg

Build it in eft or pyfa with your skills and see what kind of resists you get. This runs cap stable with everything on, so no management of anything :)


[Tengu, Ten/Tengu]

Ballistic Control System II

Ballistic Control System II

Ballistic Control System II

Ballistic Control System II

10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

Pith X-Type EM Ward Field

Pith C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier

Pith X-Type EM Ward Field

Pithum B-Type Medium Shield Booster

Pith X-Type EM Ward Field

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node

Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay

Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Mjolnir Rage Ammo

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

Carth Dookie posted:

Gary Oldman is cool and good and does not deserve to be associated with that bad dumb argument in any way. Shame on you Xolve.

It was the easiest way to visually represent the stupidity of the killboard argument.

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

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Orange Red Bull posted:

Left but they still check them pings religiously

my god do they ever

like, our guys know to ignore most of our pings but hostiles sit, rapt with attention, salivating for the next bit of communique coming out of that directorbot skinner box

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Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe
killboards are totally broken anyway. Goblin had it right, where he credited kill value based on damage percentage.

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That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Zephyrine posted:

Can you imagine if logi ended up on the kms for all the kills by the people they repaired?

At first it would probably lead to a huge increase in logi. And then end up with logi pilots repair "tagging" hostile pilots to end up on their kills.

I'll venture a guess that most logi pilots don't care about killmails. At least I don't and I pretty much only fly logi or ECM.

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