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Dapper_Swindler posted:ehh. jefferson was big into the french revolution ideals of everything has to be changed every other year through revolution, he also believed that it would take 1000 years for us to colonized the rest of the Continent and it would be a massive food basket for the world, jefferson was weird like that. He probably wasn't too far off on the "1000 years to colonize the continent" thing, assuming all technological advancement had frozen in the late 18th century - steam locomotives weren't even prototyped until a year after the Revolutionary War ended. If you're tied to animal power, walking or sailing around South America to get from one side of the US to the other I could see it taking a very, very long time.
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Geoj posted:He probably wasn't too far off on the "1000 years to colonize the continent" thing, assuming all technological advancement had frozen in the late 18th century - steam locomotives weren't even prototyped until a year after the Revolutionary War ended. If you're tied to animal power, walking or sailing around South America to get from one side of the US to the other I could see it taking a very, very long time. And we are the #1 producer of the #1 most utilized cereal crop in the world, and pretty far up there on everything else, as well as the #1 exporter of rice IIRC
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Yeah gonna be a fun post apocalyptic world. I like the idea that without power and maintenance how many nuclear power plants will melt down. But enjoy squatting on your ammo and food to scrape by in that scenario
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Volcott posted:.22 is good for plinking and small game. That's pretty much it. I mean, you can totally kill a guy with a .22, but you need to try a lot harder than with an AR-brand AR in .223. The only possible reason i can see is everyone has a .22 of some sort. They're like babby's first real gun step from a bb gun. I have one because the mp-5 look was just neat and was affordable. For real SHTF moments in history I've got a good old commie 7.62x54 Motherland rifle.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:ehh. jefferson was big into the french revolution ideals of everything has to be changed every other year through revolution Yeah I know he was a bit, uh, romantic about the idea, and when he wrote things like the whole "tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of tyrants" thing he wasn't even in the US, he was comfortably chillin' out in France trying to diplomacy up some poo poo.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Yeah I know he was a bit, uh, romantic about the idea, and when he wrote things like the whole "tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of tyrants" thing he wasn't even in the US, he was comfortably chillin' out in France trying to diplomacy up some poo poo. Did anyone ever ask Jefferson what he thought about all the murders. 
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Jun 3, 2016 14:08
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Robespierre was right his execution was also right though
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Volcott posted:Did anyone ever ask Jefferson what he thought about all the murders. He didn't have much of a problem with them until the slaves in Haiti rose up and he suddenly remembered that European aristocrats were undeserving victims of revolutionary violence which he'd never really liked in the first place, honest you guys.
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zeal posted:Robespierre was right we should all have guillotines a truly just society
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D-6zbSf_J4
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Goodpancakes posted:Yeah gonna be a fun post apocalyptic world. I like the idea that without power and maintenance how many nuclear power plants will melt down. But enjoy squatting on your ammo and food to scrape by in that scenario pretty much all preppers are weirdo loners so they will be known mostly for being the softest targets possible for bands of marauders
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Al! posted:pretty much all preppers are weirdo loners so they will be known mostly for being the softest targets possible for bands of marauders Not to mention their "supplies" consisting of essential condiments, booze, and ammo will likely do them in long before any thieves could.
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Geostomp posted:Not to mention their "supplies" consisting of essential condiments, booze, and ammo will likely do them in long before any thieves could. death by distended colon from too much canned ravioli
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Geostomp posted:Not to mention their "supplies" consisting of essential condiments, booze, and ammo will likely do them in long before any thieves could. Eat enough slop out of a Bakker Bucket and you will long to eat one of those bullets https://youtu.be/rOH37W0jPpA
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Geostomp posted:Not to mention their "supplies" consisting of essential condiments, booze, and ammo will likely do them in long before any thieves could. The booze thing is funny because there were at least 4 people on the show "doomsday preppers" who were stockpiling booze in anticipation of the post-apocalypse barter economy. One pointed out that the booze served both as a currency and a weapon and proceeded to throw Molotov cocktails into a firepit in his backyard. Like, he had a basement full of rifles but his preferred method of thwarting intruders was hucking fireballs at them.
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Lord of Pie posted:Eat enough slop out of a Bakker Bucket and you will long to eat one of those bullets Is that the motherfucker who went to jail for straight up fraud right back to doing the same goddamn racket?
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Epic High Five posted:Is that the motherfucker who went to jail for straight up fraud right back to doing the same goddamn racket? Nah, this technically isn't fraud
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Al! posted:death by distended colon from too much canned ravioli They know how to get free gummi dicks now, though.
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They make fun of Bakker on a podcast I listen to and I can't tell if his oscillating tone of voice is bad audio quality or his ever-impending death rattle sneaking into everyday speech I hope he dies
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Some more good concern trolling: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/bernie-sanders-destroying-green-party-california-primary-hillary-clinton Evil bernie is reducing green party membership in California
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green party is a bunch of granola munching crystal healing morons so good. but also what does this have to do with sov citizens?
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Darkman Fanpage posted:green party is a bunch of granola munching crystal healing morons so good. something something blm he posted in the wrong thread
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But since it was posted here I'd just like to point out this line from the article:quote:"They intentionally went after our voters because they are low-lying fruit on the issues," he adds  Popular candidates can't have the same opinions as us that defeats the whole point of making our own little club around these issues!
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Judge Brown declined to dismiss the firearm and conspiracy charges and Facebook took down Pete Santilli's page. Facebook, as we all know from their previous requests, will be the most important part of Ammon Bundy's defense: quote:In a court filing, Ammon Bundy’s lawyers point out the computer in the detention center’s library is manually updated, does not have a word processing program and does not allow inmates to save documents. To remedy these issues, the jail has said it would consider allowing attorneys to load legal documents on iPads that the Bundys could have in their cells. But some of the evidence the federal government has brought against the defendants in the Oregon case relies on social media postings that the government says are evidence of a conspiracy to impede federal officers. The Bundys argue that they need access to social networks to defend themselves against those charges.
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What would their access change (besides a hamfisted rapid deletion of postings)? These are facebook posts they voluntarily made part of the public record
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the legal system is like "oh you don't believe we exist huh? How about this"
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Man, you have inmates arguing their cases up to the loving Supreme Court using hand written pleadings. These assholes can do with out Microsoft Word.
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Regular Nintendo posted:What would their access change (besides a hamfisted rapid deletion of postings)? These are facebook posts they voluntarily made part of the public record Also, alt-right groups tend to use youtube and facebook as their most trusted source of news. 
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Yeah, if I was the Judge here, I wouldn't give these guys access to Facebook. If they got it, it'd be at most a week before one of them did something stupid that'd mean they'd have to take it away again.
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I actually think inmates should have access to the internet, or at least parts of the internet, since you're basically depriving them of access to a lot of things that could definitely help them improve their lives and maybe get back on their feet once they're out, and it doesn't cost that much these days either. However like the previous poster said these guys would lose their internet privileges within 5 minutes anyway so it's not like it would make a difference for them 
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Well he has a right to review the evidence against him. So obviously the government should just print out all the facebook pages they want to use.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I actually think inmates should have access to the internet, or at least parts of the internet, since you're basically depriving them of access to a lot of things that could definitely help them improve their lives and maybe get back on their feet once they're out, and it doesn't cost that much these days either.
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Regular Nintendo posted:What would their access change (besides a hamfisted rapid deletion of postings)? These are facebook posts they voluntarily made part of the public record Well, supposedly they could drum up support to start harassing the prison staff like the burns sheriff was getting. Or overload the prison mail room with dildos by requesting a resupply to replace the prison torture food
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Knight posted:It's unfortunate but I can understand the argument that the resources to monitor and restrict the browsing history of the accused and convicts alike would be staggering Not really, just implement a whitelist restriction policy and then inmates can only access approved URLs. Doesn't require any further resources than web filtering software being set up and some officials deciding what inmates can access.
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Geoj posted:Not really, just implement a whitelist restriction policy and then inmates can only access approved URLs. Doesn't require any further resources than web filtering software being set up and some officials deciding what inmates can access.
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Gobbeldygook posted:Check out this quiz about what books are banned in prison. Prison wardens would probably demand white listing just individual pages, not even websites. This could have been a list of 18 books that are banned in prison but they padded it out with two you can actually read in prison and I do not appreciate the interactivity. Just give me the loving list of weird banned books please.
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Ammon probably thinks he can organize a posse to take down the oath breaking officials and free him from his unconstitutional and illegal imprisonment. His idiot followers couldn't get past two parked vans, I'd like to see them get past a prison wall.
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Geoj posted:Not really, just implement a whitelist restriction policy and then inmates can only access approved URLs. Doesn't require any further resources than web filtering software being set up and some officials deciding what inmates can access. Well in this case it seems they want access to social media sites which all by their nature allow at least some sort of way to communicate with third parties. They could maybe find away to stop them logging in I guess? Technically easy way would be for them to request posts and for them to be given them saved offline. I'm sure the prosecution will of already made a record of all the relevant parties publicly available social media postings over the period. With how ridiculously incriminating a lot of it was I would be amazed if they didn't. Could probably just get a copy off them I guess? Not a legal expert but isn't evidence shared with both prosecution and defense before trial anyway? dr_rat has issued a correction as of 12:22 on Jun 5, 2016 |
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dr_rat posted:Not a legal expert but isn't evidence shared with both prosecution and defense before trial anyway? Yeah, but only the relevant evidence. The Bundy's could have different ideas than the prosecution about which posts are relevant. They could also be having trouble remembering chapter and verse of their Legal Spells, which is why they haven't been able to banish the feds yet. That stuff isn't located in mainstream law resources, which never mattered to them before because it is all freely available on the internet. They aren't even allowed to talk to each other to  They need the internet to dig up the good stuff.
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