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Captain Blaargh posted:Stand To team for June 3rd, Tier V 4v4: I have joined, but we need more. For
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Hellsau posted:statistics isn't math 4 out of 5 or 80% of nerds disagree I would draw pie chart but lazy
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Hellsau posted:statistics isn't math yeah, its actually useful
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I'm not convinced I should upgrade to the 7,5 cm L/100 on the Panther. The extra pen is cool I guess but the L/70 already has workable pen for most matches; it's comparable to the Comet's gun except it handles better. I don't really give a gently caress about gaining 0.03 accuracy, but going from 0.12 turret bloom and 0.18 hull bloom to .16 and .21 respectively sounds very unappealing to me, and losing 200 DPM is not cool at all. I mean, I know I'm just playing a bad Comet with the L/70 but that's better than trying to be a bad garbage TD that sits in the back and snipes. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 06:36
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TheFluff posted:I'm not convinced I should upgrade to the 7,5 cm L/100 on the Panther. The extra pen is cool I guess but the L/70 already has workable pen for most matches; it's comparable to the Comet's gun except it handles better. I don't really give a gently caress about gaining 0.03 accuracy, but going from 0.12 turret bloom and 0.18 hull bloom to .16 and .21 respectively sounds very unappealing to me, and losing 200 DPM is not cool at all. You are not really losing any effective DPM due to getting better pen since you will autopen most stuff. The extra pen is great for all those tier8-9 games you encounter and I very rarely shoot gold in mine since it is not needed.
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Jun 3, 2016 06:43
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Cardiac posted:You are not really losing any effective DPM due to getting better pen since you will autopen most stuff. that may be true but I'm really not keen on playing something with A-44 levels of bloom
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Jun 3, 2016 07:03
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TheFluff posted:that may be true but I'm really not keen on playing something with A-44 levels of bloom Whut? Did they nerf the poo poo out of the L/100? I mean, I haven't played it in ages, but I remember it as a pretty good gun, with no issues. I remember the A-44 as a horrible pile of garbage with a gun that takes forever to aim in and then still misses anything beyond 100m.
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Jun 3, 2016 10:12
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Valle posted:Whut? Did they nerf the poo poo out of the L/100? I mean, I haven't played it in ages, but I remember it as a pretty good gun, with no issues. I remember the A-44 as a horrible pile of garbage with a gun that takes forever to aim in and then still misses anything beyond 100m. I think they were talking about playing the Panther without using the L/100.
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Jun 3, 2016 10:40
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TheFluff posted:that may be true but I'm really not keen on playing something with A-44 levels of bloom Well, the Panther also don't have an aim time of 3.4 s and accuracy of 0.45. Can't really say that I have been bothered about the bloom, since the aim circle is pretty tight regardless. Bloom have only been an issue when #snapshotting at long range in my experience. BIG HEADLINE posted:I think they were talking about playing the Panther without using the L/100. Playing the Panther without the top gun seems kinda pointless, unless you really like the Warcrime Panther.
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Jun 3, 2016 11:05
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Cardiac posted:Playing the Panther without the top gun seems kinda pointless, unless you really like the Warcrime Panther. It's *doable*, though - you'd just want to be making GBS threads gold most of the time. I can think of shittier grinds, and if anything, running the mid-tier gun will lead to people underestimating you, since if there's one thing the L/100 does, it definitely makes the tank easy to ID as an elited hull. But it's not worth not using, in my opinion. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 11:28
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the Panther is big, fat and clumsy. just use the L/100 to make small holes in the front of big tanks, ideally from far away. let the tank be what it is.
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Jun 3, 2016 11:43
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How do you snipe in a fatass with 4.5% base camo and mediocre gun depression? There are only a handful of maps I can think of that even allow sniping at all these days, the rest are all brawling all the time and a lot of them actively encourage separation of mediums and heavies. Still, I guess I'll try it, but the L/70 has been working great so far. also literally lol if you're not firing 50-100% gold in every tank TheFluff fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 12:07
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TheFluff posted:How do you snipe in a fatass with 4.5% base camo and mediocre gun depression? There are only a handful of maps I can think of that even allow sniping at all these days, the rest are all brawling all the time and a lot of them actively encourage separation of mediums and heavies. You don't. You hang around behind the heavies and poke holes through the front of anything you see. Also, rams are kinda funny in the Panther.
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Jun 3, 2016 12:14
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Cardiac posted:You don't. I'm all about the rams but that hanging behind the heavies thing sounds like something that would work great if you had 400 alpha rather than 135. I mean it's the kind of thing you do on some maps in paper heavies like the old IS-8. I'll shut up now but might post a trip report when I've tried it. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 12:22
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TheFluff posted:I'm all about the rams but that hanging behind the heavies thing sounds like something that would work great if you had 400 alpha rather than 135. I mean it's the kind of thing you do on some maps in paper heavies like the old IS-8. It kinda works because there are so few good Panther drivers out there and no one sees the Panther as a threat. That alpha means you need to fire the gun like 20 times to breach 2k damage. But yeah, hugging slopes and snap shooting is so far what have made the Panther work for me.
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Jun 3, 2016 13:08
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I remember running Panther platoons and buzzsawing lone tier 9 heavies through the front, good times
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Someone tell me the new VK 45.03 heavy is bad. I don't want to drop money on it. Same with the Mutz. Oh god, help I'm too poor for this. Edit: VVVVV I filled an O-Ni full of gold when I was low on hp in an E-75 and wanted to ensure more crits. The angry and sad pub messaged me for a couple days after. Lesson, always have gold ready to load. VVVVV Captain Blaargh fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 14:30
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TheFluff posted:also literally lol if you're not firing 50-100% gold in every tank lol if you are so bad that you need to shoot gold all the time
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Jun 3, 2016 14:43
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Hi I'm relatively new so I have dumb questions. What is a war crimes Panther? What is the significance of people identifying your Panther as having an elited hull? E: war crimes as in the M10?
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:Hi I'm relatively new so I have dumb questions. What is a war crimes Panther? What is the significance of people identifying your Panther as having an elited hull? On the first, some vehicles have drastically (or sometimes subtly) different shaped turrets. You can sometimes figure out what a person might be equipped with if it's drastic enough. For example, if you see a T29 without the ears, you know that if it has the 105mm, it's fire rate is significantly reduced. Likewise, on the T32, if you see a rounded mantlet, shoot it because it's kind of weak. If you see a flat mantlet, shoot anything BUT there, because it's like the 2nd or 3rd thickest piece of armor in the game. I don't know what's special about the panther being fully upgraded though. For the war crime panther, it is indeed the Panther/M10, because it had various fake armor plates bolted on and false markings to spy on American vehicles from a distance, because apparently it looked close enough to an American vehicle and with the insignia it wouldn't get fired upon. This is apparently a war crime. vvv The XP thing is incorrect. It doesn't boost crew XP gain by 1.5, instead the XP that would have gone to the vehicle instead goes entirely to whatever crew member in that vehicle has the lowest amount of XP. Rorac fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 15:16
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:Hi I'm relatively new so I have dumb questions. What is a war crimes Panther? What is the significance of people identifying your Panther as having an elited hull? It's a war crime to disguise your forces as allies, and the Panther M10 was made to look like a US TD to cause confusion and sew chaos. Hence War Crime Panther for the Panther M10. An elited tank has every module and every tank ahead of it unlocked, which lets you accumulate vehicle xp that you can convert to free do for gold OR accelerate crew training (which instead increases crew xp by 1.5x but causes it to not bank any vehicle xp).
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Jun 3, 2016 15:16
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Infected posted:lol if you are so bad that you need to shoot gold all the time gonna respond to a troll post seriously because autism It's not about need. Firing gold is almost always an advantage. Most shots you take you can never really be sure that they will hit where you intend them to, so firing gold gives you a little bit extra likelihood for a pen. Sometimes that improvement in probabilities is very small so it's not really worth it to fire gold, but it's almost never a disadvantage to do so (exception: HEAT in certain situations). The disadvantage instead lies outside the game itself - you lose progress in your quest to get all tanks. Who gives a gently caress about that, though? I'm here to shoot tanks, not play with the Skinner box. You should always shoot gold, as much as you can afford to. Also, it riles pubbies up for some reason. Try it in the 50B sometime. It's already a stupidly good tank, but firing 100% gold in it makes it bizarre. you will also lose like 50-70k credits per game, but who cares. gently caress the poor tbh. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 15:32
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On a completely arbitrary gut estimate I'd say 20% of my gold firing instances is because I actually need to. The remaining 80% is half "lol can't be arsed" and half pure spite.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:47
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I'd say about 90% of mine are from needing it to pen something which then dies before I load, so I just end up wasting it.
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Nordick posted:On a completely arbitrary gut estimate I'd say 20% of my gold firing instances is because I actually need to. The remaining 80% is half "lol can't be arsed" and half pure spite. I'm the opposite ratio gold ammo use wise. As much as I joke, I'm actually pretty judicious about when I fling gold for comedy. But flinging gold for comedy is totally worth it.
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Infected posted:lol if you are so 22 Eargesplitten posted:I'd say about 90% of mine are from needing it to pen something which then dies before I load, so I just end up wasting it. Basically this. I usually carry maybe 20% gold rounds just in case. If you can afford it, shoot it. Who gives a gently caress? Captain Blaargh posted:I'm the opposite ratio gold ammo use wise. As much as I joke, I'm actually pretty judicious about when I fling gold for comedy. But flinging gold for comedy is totally worth it. This as well. Pennywise the Frown fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 16:12
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Infected posted:lol if you are so bad that you need to shoot gold all the time Don't be a pubbie:  
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22 Eargesplitten posted:I'd say about 90% of mine are from needing it to pen something which then dies before I load, so I just end up wasting it. You know you can just reload your gun with regular rounds before you fire, yes? But yeah, sucks when you have to quickly plug the next guy in the firefight who is a softie of some kind with it.
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Yeah, I just mean that generally in that situation there's other tanks around, and I don't want to spend an extra 10 seconds reloading without doing anything.
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If your gold ammo is APCR there is no reason to not shoot it. If your gold ammo is HEAT then you actually need to think sometimes about whether or not to shoot it. That said I don't shoot 100% gold most of the time unless I feel like being an autist. VVV Agreed BadLlama fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Jun 3, 2016 |
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Jun 3, 2016 16:34
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lol if u u put ammo in your tank at all don't be a pussy come on bro just ram them its gonna be so cool
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So APCR is just AP with higher pen, right? No disadvantages? And HEAT is HE, but with higher pen (and less damage)?
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Hazdoc posted:So APCR is just AP with higher pen, right? No disadvantages? And HEAT is HE, but with higher pen (and less damage)? APCR has higher pen, higher shell velocity, but less normalization (when AP hits angled armor, 5 degrees of angling are subtracted, APCR only 2 degrees are subtracted). Basically this only matters of you are close to ricocheting off armor at extreme angles. HEAT has generally the same damage as AP or APCR, but no normalization, and can be utterly negated by spaced armor layers like gun mantlets, side skirts, tracks, or funky armor like a SuperPershing's front plate. It also doesn't get an overmatch mechanic, I think? Overmatching is basically where if your shell diameter is 3x or more the armor thickness of the target it always pens fully at any angle and never ricochets. So for instance Soviet 122mm guns autopen any armor 40mm or less.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:How much does a T10 get discounted by in the On Track event? I'm thinking about playing nothing but premiums for a few weeks in case I decide to buy the 50B. I believe the on-track tier 10 discount is 30%, and other non-specific tier 10 discounts (i.e. all tier 10s on sale for special holidays or whatever) are 15%. 22 Eargesplitten posted:I just installed this. Can I just drop a mod that gives the name of the tanks in the scoreboard on top of it? Also, how can I get rid of the giant red screen flash every time I get hit? I looked in the game settings to make sure that's not a default thing. It really freaks me out and makes me miss shots because I jump a little bit every time it shows up. I use detailed over-target markers (that list tank name, armor values, etc.) that appear on both the scoreboard and over enemy tanks in the field. It's pretty handy, and while I used to mod the files myself I have an OMC Modpack setup that does this all for me. I can share the config file if you'd like. MariusLecter posted:I bet they'll be on top of Hitler's B-Day like flies on poo poo. You missed it, because Der Fuhrer's birthday was on 4/20. Gee, I wonder what you were doing that day that caused you to forget all about Hitler....     Fail, you lost him at "furry porn".  Hellsau posted:statistics isn't math Also, "mathematics" isn't abbreviated with an "s" on the end. TheFluff posted:I'm not convinced I should upgrade to the 7,5 cm L/100 on the Panther. The extra pen is cool I guess but the L/70 already has workable pen for most matches; it's comparable to the Comet's gun except it handles better. I don't really give a gently caress about gaining 0.03 accuracy, but going from 0.12 turret bloom and 0.18 hull bloom to .16 and .21 respectively sounds very unappealing to me, and losing 200 DPM is not cool at all. This is literally the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Are you the child of ZombieLenin and NTRabbit? The gun upgrade makes trades that are actually worthwhile at that tier (i.e. accuracy and penetration for handling and RoF.) TheFluff posted:that may be true but I'm really not keen on playing something with A-44 levels of bloom ...and this is the biggest exaggeration I've seen in a long time. The L/100 has nowhere near the poor level of handling of the A-44; in fact, the KV-2 with a broken gun and dead gunner has better handling than the A-44. TheFluff posted:How do you snipe in a fatass with 4.5% base camo and mediocre gun depression? There are only a handful of maps I can think of that even allow sniping at all these days, the rest are all brawling all the time and a lot of them actively encourage separation of mediums and heavies. You snipe by aiming and then clicking LMB. This is not hard. Also, lol if you have to fire that much gold. I mean sure, fire %100 glods, but you shouldn't have to unless you're a bad. If you're wasting gold shells on unarmored poo poo like Hellcats or Rhoombas then that's your problem, just don't complain about being broke. Like, I can manage firing AP, doing well, AND being TrumpRich (tm) so I don't want to hear about your money problems. TheFluff posted:I'm all about the rams but that hanging behind the heavies thing sounds like something that would work great if you had 400 alpha rather than 135. I mean it's the kind of thing you do on some maps in paper heavies like the old IS-8. This is exactly why the Panther works (with the L/100); it does only 135 alpha so isn't prioritized, and you get to do a shitton of damage without retaliation because of those traits. You have the penetration to deal with tanks frontally and the accuracy to hit weak spots if needed; if you also had 400 alpha on a vehicle that large, with no camo and mediocre armor you would be a priority target. Understand now? Rorac posted:For the war crime panther, it is indeed the Panther/M10, because it had various fake armor plates bolted on and false markings to spy on American vehicles from a distance, because apparently it looked close enough to an American vehicle and with the insignia it wouldn't get fired upon. This is apparently a war crime. So what really happened, in the context of Otto Skorzeny and Operation Greif during the Battle of the Bulge, was that they used disguises (captured Allied uniforms and vehicles like the aforementioned M10/Panthers) and were accused of war crimes for doing so. Skorzeny and others were acquitted after it was pointed out that the Allies had done the same thing with German uniforms.
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Prav posted:being a low-priority target is not a point in a tanks favor It can be huge depending on the game. I've been doing well in the AMX 12t and 13 75 for that reason and I've done well in the A-44 so far by not playing stupid and seeing people go full retard on me assuming I'm a pushover.
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I genuinely thought that Panther top gun question was some form of in-joke/troll between two dudes. The top gun makes the Panther, and not just because some obscure hidden stats or something.
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If any auto-loader shows up I always prioritize them because I don't want a full health auto loader showing up on my rear end end game.
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Infected posted:lol if you are so bad that you need to shoot gold all the time maybe you shouldnt be a poor european ????
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