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Zephyrine posted:I'm wondering how they plan to solve money moons. ccp has no devs that understand fighting over moons generates content in eve because they've listened to the howling rage of highsec miners in an npc corp ranting that they don't have their own dyspro moon for years
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evilweasel posted:ccp has no devs that understand fighting over moons generates content in eve because they've listened to the howling rage of highsec miners in an npc corp ranting that they don't have their own dyspro moon for years All they have to do is go out an take it, hell ProviBloc for a long time had problems holding R32/R64's in their own region.
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Jun 3, 2016 22:50
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The point/joke is that "hisec miners in NPC corps" are the single most unwilling-to-pvp group in the game.
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Jun 3, 2016 22:54
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Zephyrine posted:I would attribute that more to the fact that people have to not care about killmails in order to fly logi in the first place. Rather than some coincidence. There's a lack of logi in those fleets because people don't want to place their fate in the hands of incompetent morons they don't know. It's the same for whatever healer class in every single multiplayer game's public matches. You can avoid that by not joining EVE's equivalent of the trade chat mega guild. In smaller groups, where you know most of the people in the fleet, lack of logi is hardly ever a problem. In high sp groups especially you generally end up asking people to ship out of logi. With logi costing less than the t3s they are supposed to heal it's the go to ship for poors and people who have doubts about the fleet's survival.
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Jun 3, 2016 23:10
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Zephyrine posted:I'm wondering how they plan to solve money moons. hint: you solve it by doing nothing
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Jun 3, 2016 23:14
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Reverand maynard posted:CCP is also dead set on getting rid of money moons which is the only thing left worth actually fighting over. Eve is the funnest when you're playing king of the hill. The nerfs to caps and jump fatigue mean that no one group can control half of the hills anymore. If they get rid of the last tangible resource to fight over then lol. No no you see you can only produce supercaps in nullsec, so you'll need to take some nullsec to produce supers which are really best used for taking or defending nullsec, which you need to produce the supers, so you'll need to take some nullsec to *record begins to skip*
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Jun 3, 2016 23:24
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evilweasel posted:ccp has no devs that understand fighting over moons generates content in eve because they've listened to the howling rage of highsec miners in an npc corp ranting that they don't have their own dyspro moon for years CCP Devs have no understanding over a lot of things. Our sword fleets enjoying themselves or not, the loving foccieceptor is a goddamn cancer upon nullsec.
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Jun 3, 2016 23:25
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Interceptors and T3Ds are the top reason I just trained into T2 RLMLs. gently caress off svipuls 
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Jun 3, 2016 23:26
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Rhymenoserous posted:CCP Devs have no understanding over a lot of things. Our sword fleets enjoying themselves or not, the loving foccieceptor is a goddamn cancer upon nullsec. hey fozzie thought it seemed like a cool idea and the jumps taken by interceptors has gone up, and the jumps made by interceptors historically correlates with subscriber numbers, so 0wned
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Jun 3, 2016 23:32
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The problem with Fozzie is that he was up to his eyeballs in Alliance Tournament poo poo for years and so is convinced that Eve should be all about AT style honourable smallgang gudfites and that if you don't agree then you're sandboxing wrong and need to be punished.
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Jun 3, 2016 23:39
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hailthefish posted:The point/joke is that "hisec miners in NPC corps" are the single most unwilling-to-pvp group in the game.  It's not that I'm unwilling, just that I am not interested in fighting people.
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nessin posted:Real talk, I didn't even know pings would generate a sound. First thing I do when installing any new piece of software, Pidgin included, is turn off all sounds because they're almost always annoying and pointless. I'm kind of the opposite. When I install something, I tend to first switch on all sounds to see which ones are bad and which ones I can live with, then I slowly weed out the bad ones over 1-2 months of time. My IRC-program (Nettalk) has a really loud and obnoxious gong whenever I get a private message or even just when my name is mentioned. I guess that would drive you mad pretty fast.  Helicon One posted:The problem with Fozzie is that he was up to his eyeballs in Alliance Tournament poo poo for years and so is convinced that Eve should be all about AT style honourable smallgang gudfites and that if you don't agree then you're sandboxing wrong and need to be punished. Ironically, as someone who prefers Solo-PVP and doesn't like working with other people (when fighting, for some reason it's really hard for me to not just start shooting whoever is on grid with me, there were some nasty near-accidents when I started Faction Warfare, for example), most of his "punishments" didn't really look that bad. Of course I realize I'm probably the worst to talk about this with my attitude of SSASSM (Shoot, shoot and shoot some more) when I'm doing PVP. I'm not really the type to combine fighting and thinking, is what I'm getting at here.
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VideoGames posted:
you're not in an npc corp! you've formed your own highly successful corp!
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VideoGames posted:
that's fine and if the situation arises I'm pretty sure you'll have people to fill the PVP need because people space-love you.
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Libluini posted:I'm kind of the opposite. When I install something, I tend to first switch on all sounds to see which ones are bad and which ones I can live with, then I slowly weed out the bad ones over 1-2 months of time. Actual solo PVP, or the kind of "solo PVP" where you have link alts and a rep carrier on standby for if you start losing?
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-Troika- posted:Actual solo PVP, or the kind of "solo PVP" where you have link alts and a rep carrier on standby for if you start losing? i solo pvp with 10 alts, does that count? 
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VideoGames posted:
You're not in an NPC corp, though! You made your own corp, with like, taxes and roles and hangars and stuff! The risk you take for those cool features is theoretically someone could decide to pay lots of spacemoney to declare spacewar on your corporation! It's unlikely, since you're a very nice person in a small and inoffensive corporation, but it's theoretically possible. Miners who stay in NPC corps stay in NPC corps because you can't wardec NPC corps, meaning the only way to kill them in hisec is to suicide gank them. Also, yes, god protect anyone who dares wardec RV...whatever the other letters are. 
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frozenpussy posted:that's fine and if the situation arises I'm pretty sure you'll have people to fill the PVP need because people space-love you. 
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avatarinwin posted:i solo pvp with 10 alts, does that count?
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I know how absolutely mind numbing POS warfare was. And I understand the huge strain it took to maintain the drat things. But it was far better than the stupid poo poo we have now. With POS warfare the wars involved actual campaigns.There were ebbs and flow to wars, definitive victories and defeats, and progress could be objectively measured by the ingame mechanics. Individual battles over particular systems mattered where one key day could decide the fate of the whole war. And these things naturally lent themselves to being very easy to follow for people not involved in the war. So pubbies and people who didn't even play the game could feel invested in following a wars progress. Which undoubtedly helps CCP's bottom line by itself. I'm sure there is a non POS warfare way of capturing this kind of gameplay again but holy poo poo Fozzie Sov is the exact opposite of what is needed.
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Guys just a gentle reminder PIROCOR recruitment window is open. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3778771
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Jun 4, 2016 07:07
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gentle reminder moa are the worst alliance in the game
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:gentle reminder moa are the worst alliance in the game Morning uncle grumpy pants! o/
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bluegoon posted:Morning uncle grumpy pants! o/ Lol you joined MOA, a perfect fit imo
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Tokyo Sexwhale posted:Lol you joined MOA, a perfect fit imo And you can too, fellow poster! Please be advised the link is a few posts up, fly safe now! 
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horde is literally a better option for anyone than moa
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It saddens me when I read about people taking about the death of the game. I only started playing a year ago, and it's one of the best games I've ever played. I'm obviously still  You've all been here before, but is there any hope for null with 75% of the CSM being heavily inspired by Nullsec? Or just 
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To be honest I think citadels should have a module that when they anchor over a planet it grants sov. Whoever has the most planets captured in system has the sov. Not quite as backbreaking as old Sov, but requires more effort than fozziesov.
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Oodles posted:It saddens me when I read about people taking about the death of the game. It's not the number of voices, but the willingness to hear them. Carth Dookie posted:To be honest I think citadels should have a module that when they anchor over a planet it grants sov. Whoever has the most planets captured in system has the sov. I don't know if I could stomach fighting 9 Fortizars in a row for a single system. They would be fascinating setpiece battles, though.
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Magic Rabbit Hat posted:It's not the number of voices, but the willingness to hear them. My understanding is that CCP don't really listen to the CSM. They just do their own thing.
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avatarinwin posted:hint: you solve it by doing nothing No doubt. But they already said that they will make mining manual. So that's what I would speculate around.
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Oodles posted:You've all been here before, but is there any hope for null with 75% of the CSM being heavily inspired by Nullsec? Or just Sadly, the CSM is more about saving from themselves, than proposing new ideas or a platform for ideas to be heard.Most of the more controversial changes have been done with little to no notice to the CSM at all. In the end, will do whatever the gently caress they want.
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Xolve posted:Sadly, the CSM is more about saving well I mean it is their game. Its really loving annoying to hear the CSM complain that they don't get the finaly say in game mechanic changes given how often they leak stuff.
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Reverand maynard posted:well I mean it is their game. Its really loving annoying to hear the CSM complain that they don't get the finaly say in game mechanic changes given how often they leak stuff. Oh- I'm with you. I just laugh everytime someone thinks the CSM is something more than posturing for PR.
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Xolve posted:Oh- I'm with you. you're exactly right, and there's a great reason. the CSM was for all intents and purposes cut from whole cloth by the GF directorate and CCP forced at the PR equivalent of gunpoint to implement it. or else. short version: when anthonyz broke the news about their CCP cheating on BoB's behalf in ... 2006, 2007?, I reached out to him. he was trying to use the info to extort BoB for a mothership or something. we had a better plan: tony brought the journalistic bombs one drip at a time, goonfleet brought the forum numbers and the "political" expertise to keep the pressure intense and continuous. being the principal harmed party by CCP/BoB's cheating, our candidates were virtually guaranteed to win the first election. we successfully leveraged our invention and initial momentum into dominating the council, ensuring influence to keep the game developing in our favor for years. fun facts are fun. or maybe I just made that up. who knows!
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I wonder whatever happened to that dev. Would anyone else hire him?
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Zephyrine posted:I'm wondering how they plan to solve money moons. there is nothing to solve. If ccp is dead set on a dumb idea, add an alternative source of moongoo instead of replacing it wholesale.
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Reverand maynard posted:I wonder whatever happened to that dev. Would anyone else hire him? Didn't he just apologise and he was kept on?
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https://zkillboard.com/kill/54411809/ lolol
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Xolve posted:Sadly, the CSM is more about saving It's not even saving from itself anymore, just a flak shield for developers. The jump fatigue fiasco had two parts: a) the change was dumb, and b) CCP used the claim it was CSM approved to defend the decision - notwithstanding that the CSM had virtually no notice. Sion piped up about this, utterly defeating the point of the CSM in 's eyes. Which is why the CSM now has a "no Sions" rule and CCP gets to deal with "he who must not be named in the thread" as a CSM member.
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