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Harlock
Jan 15, 2006

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How come custom games only let you have certain bots? Only 6-7 heroes are represented

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repiv
Aug 13, 2009

Harlock posted:

How come custom games only let you have certain bots? Only 6-7 heroes are represented

They need to code unique AI logic for each hero and :effort:

Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

Imagined posted:

Junkrat, because I was terrible with the Demoman and I doubt I've gotten better since then.

I've got good news. You absolutely do not need to be good at Demoman to be good at Junkrat. I mean it'll make you *better* because you can land sick direct hits but you can be hot garbage at ever hitting anything in your life and still be an entirely adequate Junkrat.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Dick Trauma posted:

What are the characters you find yourself not playing at all?

Symmetra and Zarya are two that I don't touch at all. I know for a fact I would not be good at placing things with Symmetra and Zarya just doesn't gel with me at all. Widowmaker, Hanzo, Genji and Mcree are the ones that I don't touch very often (mostly because everyone always chooses those characters right away anyway) and Genji and Mcree are just kind of weird. Though I've been trying to learn Mcree a bit because a legendary skin for him dropped (the stagecoach or whatever. The red one with the mustache and looks very wild west). I also tried out Zenyatta last night, and he's pretty fun! He gets wrecked super easily but in a friend group he's pretty good, and it feels like i'm making a real contribution fighting wise. Lucio is amazing but his attacks don't have the same oomph to them.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!
Tournaments are starting to mandate kill cam off in server options since it's currently a way for you to glean the opponent's ult charge. I just keep it on, see if they have ult and tell my team if they do, then hit escape and death spec my team for a few seconds.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

Nehru the Damaja posted:

I've got good news. You absolutely do not need to be good at Demoman to be good at Junkrat. I mean it'll make you *better* because you can land sick direct hits but you can be hot garbage at ever hitting anything in your life and still be an entirely adequate Junkrat.

Junkrat's main weapon is super underrated imo. Especially on escort missions where you can just stand somewhere behind the hovercar and bounce grenades under it into the opposing teams feet.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
I got Tracer's slipstream skin on the first day but my reaction time is much too slow to use her.

I've never played Roadhog but I think this weekend I'll give it a try. Maybe he's a better match for my abilities.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Dick Trauma posted:

What are the characters you find yourself not playing at all?

Widowmaker and not because I suck at sniping but because I finder her to be the most broken character in the game. Hanzo is sniping done right whereas Widowmaker is sniping done terribly wrong: semi-auto with no scope sway from damage or moving, a hitscan weapon, an extremely fast damage boost and her at max damage does more than Hanzo does at full strength. All that on top of her mobility and her full-auto M1 attack for people who get close.

Hanzo is far more rewarding and aside from his Q I find his Play of the Games to be some pretty fantastic sniping.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

Jimbot posted:

Hanzo is sniping done right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.

Countblanc posted:

Tournaments are starting to mandate kill cam off in server options since it's currently a way for you to glean the opponent's ult charge. I just keep it on, see if they have ult and tell my team if they do, then hit escape and death spec my team for a few seconds.

Does doing that also disable the red highlight wallhack you see of your killer?

a cat on an apple
Apr 28, 2013
Hanzo isn't really a sniper, at least no more than Mei and Zenyatta are snipers. They have the capability of dealing damage at super long range but are better suited to mid-long range or closer.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
Can someone describe how they use tracers rewind move and what alerts them to WHEN you should be using it? I always seem to be doing something for 3 seconds after I get hurt and then going whooops. And if you play tracer a lot, what's people's general reaction to getting shot in the rear end and then seeing you? Do they generally try to follow you after you blink once at least?

Now that I sort of get Winston I feel like she's the only hero I have real big trouble utilizing.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
Hanzo is better desribed as a rifleman imo

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

(▰˘v˘▰)

Intel&Sebastian posted:

Can someone describe how they use tracers rewind move and what alerts them to WHEN you should be using it? I always seem to be doing something for 3 seconds after I get hurt and then going whooops. And if you play tracer a lot, what's people's general reaction to getting shot in the rear end and then seeing you? Do they generally try to follow you after you blink once at least?

Now that I sort of get Winston I feel like she's the only hero I have real big trouble utilizing.

rewind heals you if you use it shortly after getting hurt so use it as a heal when you're low on health or as a move to confuse the hell out of your enemy

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

Minrad posted:

Does doing that also disable the red highlight wallhack you see of your killer?

I don't actually remember, I know some comp player was talking about that but I haven't checked it myself.

Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

Heals essentially roll back Mei's freeze progress on you, right? If so, is a speed aura or heal aura going to more reliably get you out of a Mei ult? (Pretend for the sake of the question Mei got killed already)

Video Nasty
Jun 17, 2003

You can also dash in two directions and then rewind to confuse the crap out of someone trying to lead you. I typically rewind when I'm seeing sights line up for turrets or snipers.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

Nehru the Damaja posted:

Heals essentially roll back Mei's freeze progress on you, right?

I don't believe so? Or at the very least it doesn't for her ult, I've healed people getting hit by that and they still freeze.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Nehru the Damaja posted:

Heals essentially roll back Mei's freeze progress on you, right? If so, is a speed aura or heal aura going to more reliably get you out of a Mei ult? (Pretend for the sake of the question Mei got killed already)

The only thing that does, as far as I know, is Mei's own self heal and Zarya's shield. Nothing else stops Mei's freeze.

Edmond Dantes
Sep 12, 2007

Reactor: Online
Sensors: Online
Weapons: Online

ALL SYSTEMS NOMINAL
I really really hope they buff Zenyatta's health just a wee bit (or replace his normal health with armour, which would make sense considering he's a bloody robot), because he's just so much loving fun to play with but I every time I see a widow I have to switch out before transcending into salt.

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

I'm level fifty and not including the preorder and origin skins I have a legendary for every character except Roadhog and Bastion.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
I'm around the same level and I have 4. How many boxes did you buy?

Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

Countblanc posted:

I don't believe so? Or at the very least it doesn't for her ult, I've healed people getting hit by that and they still freeze.

Does it apply less freeze on the periphery or something? Because I've sprinted out of Mei's freeze and just barely been caught, then healed by Mercy and made it the rest of the way out.

kaleedity
Feb 27, 2016



I'm stuck because I really like mccree's style but it's too strong and now I don't want to play him until he gets nerfed

c'mon nerf him quick so I can play him and not feel like a shitbag

guts and bolts
May 16, 2015

Have you heard the Good News?

Intel&Sebastian posted:

Can someone describe how they use tracers rewind move and what alerts them to WHEN you should be using it? I always seem to be doing something for 3 seconds after I get hurt and then going whooops. And if you play tracer a lot, what's people's general reaction to getting shot in the rear end and then seeing you? Do they generally try to follow you after you blink once at least?

Now that I sort of get Winston I feel like she's the only hero I have real big trouble utilizing.

so here's how I play Tracer

your job is to flank and pressure healers or ground-bound squishies like Torbjorn and Bastion, who will melt under your primary fire or be prime targets for her ult. Tracer can't get up onto places to contest against snipers like Hanzo and Widowmaker so generally don't bother, though you can do some tricksy poo poo that will take people off guard, mostly by blinking once or twice in mid-air to get access to points that people assume Tracer can't get to. shooting people in the back usually means they died, unless they're a tank, in which case you just shoot them until you need to leave with Recall because they're worth lots of ult meter

all Support class heroes are food for you, you will kill all of them extremely quickly, although Lucio is naturally the hardest so dive him with ult (he's usually bunched up with his team)

Tracer is unique because she can be flanking even if a given chokepoint is otherwise clogged up or impenetrable, because three blinks covers an absurd distance although you generally don't want to burn all three at once. Reaper has to do a slow channel to get past or up above people or risk blowing Wraith Form early, Genji has to climb walls, etc. - Tracer is just like "whoops she's gone" and the callout is usually just "be on the lookout for Tracer" or something in pub games, which is tremendously unhelpful, and that's if anyone bothers to call it at all

you should be using Recall either after the team has begun focusing you down to try and kill you, immediately after a good Pulse Bomb stick if you don't want to Blink away instead, or the moment you see a fight/trap that you are sure not to win. hitting Recall on reaction to sustaining damage is useful and good against specific heroes and borderline useless against others. the moment you see McCree, if he's in FB range, just escape with Blinks or Recall or you die. if Reaper has seen you and he's close enough to hit you center mass, Blink or Recall or you die. if you are for some reason in a long hallway and Widowmaker is there, Blink or Recall or you die, etc.

enemies will usually not even loving fight you back let alone chase you at lovely MMR; most heroes treat Tracer like an annoying gnat, and try to just tank through her damage and only turn on her if forced to. this is because the overwhelming majority of pub Tracers are really bad at their jobs. if you are even marginally accurate, the gameplan of "ignore Tracer, she'll do what she does, throw a token amount of resistance her way and we'll be fine" becomes fatal, and that's why she's talked up so often as a good solo queue team carry on Offense

if you do get chased, escaping is trivially easy provided you have even basic map knowledge, between blinking in unpredictable directions, Recalling to confuse an opponent, or just double-blinking over a long gap like on Hanamura

the biggest thing with Tracer is to avoid the one-shot, and right now the two best heroes one-shot the gently caress out of her (McCree and Widowmaker). if their efficacy falls off even a little bit, expect Tracer to start owning even harder

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

Nehru the Damaja posted:

Does it apply less freeze on the periphery or something? Because I've sprinted out of Mei's freeze and just barely been caught, then healed by Mercy and made it the rest of the way out.

If so it isn't documented anywhere, even OW Infinity just says that it freezes people over the 3.5 second duration (and you need to be in contact with it or her M1 for 2 seconds to be frozen).

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

kaleedity posted:

I'm stuck because I really like mccree's style but it's too strong and now I don't want to play him until he gets nerfed

c'mon nerf him quick so I can play him and not feel like a shitbag

Anyone who isn't spamming him right now is a low iq moron imo. Always pick top tier.

Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

fadam posted:

Anyone who isn't spamming him right now is a low iq moron imo. Always pick top tier.

I'm playing a lot of Pharah because she is strong and good and also because most McCrees are garbage and can't left click anything to save their lives

Minorkos
Feb 20, 2010

fadam posted:

I'm level fifty and not including the preorder and origin skins I have a legendary for every character except Roadhog and Bastion.

I'm level 68 and I have the following Legendaries

Steambot (don't like it)
Wooden Bastion (don't like it)
Stonehardt (bought)
Bloodhardt (dropped immediately after buying stonehardt)
Young Genji (don't like it)
Young Hanzo (don't like it)
Mako (don't like it)

I also bought 6 loot boxes because I'm a moron and each and every one had 3 greys and a single blue, so i'm feeling pretty good about my drops

I think I could have had better luck but whatever it's just a video game

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

Nehru the Damaja posted:

Does it apply less freeze on the periphery or something? Because I've sprinted out of Mei's freeze and just barely been caught, then healed by Mercy and made it the rest of the way out.

I've lost track of how many times I would hit the veritcal boost on Phara and then freeze once I'm 50 feet in the air. "I'll escape rather than let her easily finish me off! Hah, made it*frozen at peak of boost* son of a bitch. Oh good I unfroze as soon as I hit the ground-Oh I fell into their previously lined up headshot okay then"

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Edmond Dantes posted:

I really really hope they buff Zenyatta's health just a wee bit (or replace his normal health with armour, which would make sense considering he's a bloody robot), because he's just so much loving fun to play with but I every time I see a widow I have to switch out before transcending into salt.

giving his shields a buff to leave him at 175 hp would be fine imo

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

Yung Hanzgod and Genji are new ability effects away from being A-Tier skins imo.

guts and bolts
May 16, 2015

Have you heard the Good News?

fadam posted:

Yung Hanzgod and Genji are new ability effects away from being A-Tier skins imo.

Chrome is objectively the best skin between either of the ninja bros, although Young Genji/Young Hanzo are p. good

Lady Naga
Apr 25, 2008

Voyons Donc!

a cat on an apple posted:

Hanzo isn't really a sniper, at least no more than Mei and Zenyatta are snipers. They have the capability of dealing damage at super long range but are better suited to mid-long range or closer.

Calling Mei "super long range" is questionable at best.

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

guts and bolts posted:

Chrome is objectively the best skin between either of the ninja bros, although Young Genji/Young Hanzo are p. good

Is chrome just a recolor?

guts and bolts
May 16, 2015

Have you heard the Good News?

fadam posted:

Is chrome just a recolor?

yeah but the dopest recolor of all available recolors

actually I find myself liking the default skins for a pretty wide variety of heroes, Soldier: 76 looks awesome in his default, Tracer's default is probably my favorite Tracer skin including Slipstream, Genji's default is dope, Zenyatta's default is dope, Widowmaker, Mercy, etc.

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

fadam posted:

Is chrome just a recolor?

chrome has some reflection effects on the shiny pieces i think

Knifegrab
Jul 30, 2014

Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.
So after having a decent amount of time with the game, are there any known balance issues (no comedy bastion options plz)

Afraid of Audio
Oct 12, 2012

by exmarx
mccree, lucio on koth, widowmaker

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Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

guts and bolts posted:

yeah but the dopest recolor of all available recolors

actually I find myself liking the default skins for a pretty wide variety of heroes, Soldier: 76 looks awesome in his default, Tracer's default is probably my favorite Tracer skin including Slipstream, Genji's default is dope, Zenyatta's default is dope, Widowmaker, Mercy, etc.

The defaults/recolors are almost all the best and the only reason people think otherwise is because our hosed up gamer lizard brains inherently value rare things

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