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Mountaineer posted:e: Gotta say, I don't care for Levi Morton though. I guess around now is when the Republicans are shifting from progressive stances to FYGM capitalism? Eh they still got Teddy Roosevelt going for them.
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# ? Jun 4, 2016 20:18 |
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# ? May 13, 2024 10:41 |
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Waiting for Debs, but the field of candidates is atrocious so i'll vote for his nemesis Harrison
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# ? Jun 4, 2016 20:31 |
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Debs has the terrible timing of first running in the same election as Greatest of All Time TEDDY ROOSEVELT He can win the 1908 and 1920 elections, though. TR doesn’t run in those
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# ? Jun 4, 2016 20:37 |
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Debs first ran against McKinley and will shitstomp him in the goon vote
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# ? Jun 4, 2016 20:43 |
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McKinley took a bullet six months into his term. What would you rather have, 3.5 years of Greatest of All Time TR, or 4 years of perennial loser EVD?
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# ? Jun 4, 2016 21:12 |
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Platystemon posted:McKinley took a bullet six months into his term. Looking forward to Alaska's Mt. Debs
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# ? Jun 4, 2016 21:25 |
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Platystemon posted:McKinley took a bullet six months into his term. What do you mean '4'?
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# ? Jun 4, 2016 21:27 |
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Platystemon posted:perennial loser
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# ? Jun 4, 2016 21:28 |
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I'm guessing Debs wouldn't be down with being called "His Imperial Majesty, Lord-President of these United States and Protector of their Liberties". Gonna have to come up with a new title!
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# ? Jun 4, 2016 21:37 |
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Alikchi posted:I'm guessing Debs wouldn't be down with being called "His Imperial Majesty, Lord-President of these United States and Protector of their Liberties". Gonna have to come up with a new title! Moot point anyway since lets face it in our timeline after Adams narrowly lost his 4th term he probably staged a coup and created a monarchy anyway.
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# ? Jun 4, 2016 21:58 |
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Have to admit I'm iffy about Debs after reading this http://blog.newspapers.library.in.gov/the-black-stork-eugenics-goes-to-the-movies/ quote:... (Then again I admire Bryan and he was racist as hell...)
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# ? Jun 4, 2016 22:02 |
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QuoProQuid posted:I like how the Democrats have been reduced to a minor party whose last stay in national office was in 1833 under John Quincy Adams. Somehow, the Republicans and the Prohibitionists seem like the only parties able to consistently get votes. Meanwhile, there's a revolving door of third parties that can't last more than two election cycles. It's the taint of Jefferson. Even doubling down on the North can't save the Party That Shot Hamilton (pbuh), Shot Fort Sumter, and let Andrew loving Jackson live.
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# ? Jun 5, 2016 00:48 |
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it's always fascinating to see how ideas that we assume are obvious fellow travelers were often not seen as such in other times. so you get theocrat drug warriors advocating for basically everything people who do drugs now think sound nice, progressives and socialists of all stripes arguing for eugenics, and for that matter foundational principles of american liberty being argued by slaveholders it's an interesting set of pluses and minuses on this group but i'll go for harrison
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# ? Jun 5, 2016 01:39 |
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karmicknight posted:It's the taint of Jefferson. Even doubling down on the North can't save the Party That Shot Hamilton (pbuh), Shot Fort Sumter, and let Andrew loving Jackson live. Suffer not The South.
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# ? Jun 5, 2016 03:16 |
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Bet all these people not voting for labour in this election are somehow going to justify voting for FDR later.
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# ? Jun 5, 2016 03:20 |
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:IDK, for all the extremist tickets we voted for on the basis of their anti racism, I think I can give this one to Streeter for the women's rights stance alone. We should throw them a bone for once imo I throw them bones all the time Mountaineer posted:As a long-time Greenback voter I'm worried by the Republicans' stance on the gold standard, but I'm leaning towards Harrison anyway. As we know it now? I'd say it was a reaction fermented by the new deal and the 20 or so years after the second world war of prosperity. You can reference Coolidge and Hoover as people who believed in laissez faire but that's arguably different Also I too feel kinda itchy voting for Harrison what with his gold is money thing he has going on
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# ? Jun 5, 2016 04:05 |
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The ideology changes but I think the GOP was basically the party of Business from here on out, right?
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# ? Jun 5, 2016 10:59 |
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There plenty of progressive Republicans during the, well, Progressive Era. I'd put the victory of the business wing around the time of Harding. e: Of course, both parties are the business party.
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# ? Jun 5, 2016 11:42 |
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I congratulate the electorate on not giving in to self-serving Confederate propaganda and electing President Butler. Such a great statesman deserved a second term to loot the rest of the South - er, I mean - no, I guess that is what I mean. As a diehard Republican who can't see into the future, I will assume that Benjamin Harrison will kick-start the do-nothing government that has metastasized under President - Cleveland, you say?
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# ? Jun 6, 2016 14:32 |
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# ? Jun 6, 2016 17:06 |
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So...I'm being overshadowed by my dead grandfather who was president for 30 days? The artist wanted to make a literary reference?
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# ? Jun 6, 2016 18:02 |
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Why is Harrison rated poorly? He seems pretty great. He was the first decent, responsible, level-headed president we had in a while, with fair political stances including the protection of rights for African Americans and Indians, the promotion of public education, and effective opposition to corruption. He oversaw a reliable economy and effectively used his government surplus to improve the country. He invested in infrastructure, made us the naval superpower that sowed the seeds of our future success, and made huge strides in terms of foreign policy and increasing the status of the country abroad. He increased the size of the country, bringing six full states into the Union, pioneered national forest reserves, and passed the Sherman Anti-Trust act to protect people from abuse at the hands of non-competitive corporate monopolies. What exactly did he do so wrong to get rated below the self-destructive assholes the country seems so keen on electing to office for multiple terms? I don't understand. GlyphGryph has issued a correction as of 20:33 on Jun 6, 2016 |
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Serious reply: people confuse Harrison with his grandfather.
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# ? Jun 6, 2016 23:10 |
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Nebakenezzer posted:Serious reply: people confuse Harrison with his grandfather. Well... uh... I guess that's understandable, actually. His grandfather was pretty terrible.
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# ? Jun 7, 2016 01:31 |
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Nebakenezzer posted:Serious reply: people confuse Harrison with his grandfather. I don’t think all the scholars in Wikipedia’s table made that mistake, but their consensus is that he’s decidedly below average. Platystemon has issued a correction as of 07:36 on Jun 7, 2016 |
# ? Jun 7, 2016 07:08 |
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Maybe it's because the Panic of 1893 started at the tail end of his term?
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# ? Jun 7, 2016 07:23 |
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I honestly forgot that Benjamin Harrison was ever president.
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# ? Jun 7, 2016 07:41 |
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WrightOfWay posted:I honestly forgot that Benjamin Harrison was ever president. Grover Cleveland won the popular vote in three consecutive elections. Benjamin Harrison got lucky with the Electoral College.
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# ? Jun 7, 2016 07:50 |
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Benjamin Harrison never won the popular vote. His attempts at reform were constantly stymied. He had no discernible personality. And he presided over no great crises or historical events. Benjamin is not remembered as a bad president. He's barely remembered at all, which is why he usually ranks in the lower-middle of the list with all the other Gilded Age presidents. He might have had great ambitions but he barely got the opportunity to address them.
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# ? Jun 7, 2016 11:21 |
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I/we are probably being unfair in expecting these guys to exercise the power of an Imperial Presidency. On the other hand, a lot of these guys IRL had no trouble sending out the military to break up strikes, so it's not like they considered themselves helpless pawns.
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# ? Jun 7, 2016 14:04 |
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QuoProQuid posted:Benjamin Harrison never won the popular vote. His attempts at reform were constantly stymied. He had no discernible personality. And he presided over no great crises or historical events. Rasmussen has him as actively disliked, not just forgettable. Van Buren has better numbers than him.
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# ? Jun 7, 2016 14:23 |
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Harrison never made it on Seinfeld.
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# ? Jun 7, 2016 18:08 |
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Harrison sounds really good. I vote for him. Please someone explain how he is secretly terrible. edit: also I am voting for whoever is the most popular other than Debs when the time comes because commies suck. axeil has issued a correction as of 21:17 on Jun 7, 2016 |
# ? Jun 7, 2016 21:08 |
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axeil posted:Harrison sounds really good. I vote for him. Please someone explain how he is secretly terrible. One term? Actually now that people are bringing it up, I've no idea why Harrison gets a bum rap. I'm looking forward to the Debsutant ball; I've been hearing how awesome Debs is in this thread I might be slightly disappointed if he isn't socialist batman
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# ? Jun 7, 2016 21:18 |
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Generally the only one term presidents that scholars who rank presidents like are JFK and Polk. I think there's a decent chance that Debs will lose an election or two since he's up against some other thread favorites like Teddy Roosevelt and William Jennings Bryan.
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# ? Jun 7, 2016 21:40 |
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WrightOfWay posted:Generally the only one term presidents that scholars who rank presidents like are JFK and Polk. Did Debs ever run in the same election as Fightin Bob LaFollette?
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# ? Jun 8, 2016 03:13 |
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Did Debs ever run in the same election as Fightin Bob LaFollette? 1908/1912 e: and 1920
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# ? Jun 8, 2016 03:20 |
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I wish Huey Long could end up in an election. I'd be interested to see how he did, all things considered.
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# ? Jun 8, 2016 05:59 |
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NumberLast posted:I wish Huey Long could end up in an election. I'd be interested to see how he did, all things considered. He'd send in federal troops to burn Shreveport to the ground which would make him a top 5 president probably
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# ? Jun 8, 2016 06:16 |
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Lord of Pie posted:He'd send in federal troops to burn Shreveport to the ground which would make him a top 5 president probably No I meant how well he'd fair in an SA election.
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