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What I'm mostly afraid of at this point are whatever are the infamous orbs of fire somewhere in Zot or V:5 or wherever, I remember seeing lots of posts about them, and I have no fire resistance, at all.
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Orbs of fire are in Zot. They mostly only appear in Zot:5 but can spawn rarely on the higher floors or in special vaults. They are super tanky and will absolutely destroy you if you don't have any fire resistance. You want at least rf++. A strong character can possibly get away with only rf+ but their damage output can be really scary. Also they mutate you, so
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Jun 5, 2016 20:53
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kalstrams posted:What I'm mostly afraid of at this point are whatever are the infamous orbs of fire somewhere in Zot or V:5 or wherever, I remember seeing lots of posts about them, and I have no fire resistance, at all. You should get some fire resistance. The orbs are a test of strength, if you can survive and/or win an encounter against one, you'll have a shot at the ORB.
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Jun 5, 2016 20:54
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Internet Kraken posted:Also they mutate you, so imo this is the worst part. You really can't do anything about it now, unless you have the rMut mutation I guess? OoFs suuuuck and better hope you don't get teleportitis or some poo poo! Also rF+ is what's critical: the first pip is the most important/gives you the most return. Two/three is what you want, but you should at least have one!
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Jun 5, 2016 20:56
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I've never noticed orbs of fire doing damage but they do mutate me heck of all the time.
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Jun 5, 2016 20:57
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Nanomashoes posted:I've never noticed orbs of fire doing damage  orb of fire spells: bolt of fire: 3d40 damage fireball: 3d43 damage malmutate orbs of fire would be worse if they didn't have malmutate because they'd spend more turns blowing you the gently caress up
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Jun 5, 2016 21:02
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I've been at RF+++ and mutation resistance with EV and AC out the rear end and orb of fires are the only thing on Zot:5 that bother me.
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Jun 5, 2016 21:06
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Please share your sick orb of fire stopping techniques.
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Jun 5, 2016 21:07
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Big antimagic weapons. Spamming them with summons. Spam butterflies and firestorm/glaciate.
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Jun 5, 2016 21:10
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Also, this is probably a bad idea but is it just me or is the new Sun Demon tile perfect for Orbs of Fire? And the OOF tile should be used for Sun Demons? Orbs of Fire should totally have a terrifying eye of death. Also, put Orbs of Ice into Zot. No. Put Orbs of Ice into Zot 6. The entrance to Zot 6 has the rune of Zot and has a stairway underneath the Orb of Zot that cannot be entered unless you are holding said Orb of Zot.
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Jun 5, 2016 21:23
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jon joe posted:Please share your sick orb of fire stopping techniques. 2) Win
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Jun 5, 2016 21:27
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I have no idea what the positive aspect of the current state of malmutate is. It's blatantly awful and means any non-Necromutation/undead character heading into Zot had better have saved his cMut or he's hosed. Is "horrible mutation Z:5 and orb run" really a desirable state of affairs?
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Jun 5, 2016 21:29
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gently caress, I've just cleared V:5 and my rF is just +. How much impact slaying +3 give me? If I replace my rings with two unequipped, I gain rF+ but lose rC+ (I have rC+++ at the moment). Edit:  Where should I go now in my quest to at least rF++ before Zot?
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Jun 5, 2016 21:35
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kalstrams posted:gently caress, I've just cleared V:5 and my rF is just +. How much impact slaying +3 give me? the 3rd pip on any resist is nice but not really necessary. the first is the most important, reducing damage by 50% iirc e: you're wearing a CPA? you could probably do slime if you wanted to, or z:1-4 if you just be careful about it
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Jun 5, 2016 21:38
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Alright, I won't sweat rC much then, though I'd still like rF++. Is there no rMut anymore?
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Jun 5, 2016 21:40
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kalstrams posted:Alright, I won't sweat rC much then, though I'd still like rF++. Is there no rMut anymore? rMut, clarity amulets et al are a thing of the past, I'm afriad. 
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Jun 5, 2016 21:42
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Is there a Hepliaklqana ancestor that's head and shoulders above the rest? If not, which one would be best for my troll monk?
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Jun 5, 2016 21:47
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LogicNinja posted:I have no idea what the positive aspect of the current state of malmutate is. It's blatantly awful and means any non-Necromutation/undead character heading into Zot had better have saved his cMut or he's hosed. Is "horrible mutation Z:5 and orb run" really a desirable state of affairs? I thought after the tournament there would be consensus that its awful and the devs would of worked on a better system but I guess not. Its stupid but its making it hard to work up the motivation to play again cause I basically always did extended and now I'm gonna get really pissed off everytime I get mutated by an OoF/Cacodemon/hell effect. kalstrams posted:Alright, I won't sweat rC much then, though I'd still like rF++. Is there no rMut anymore? Ideally you should have one pip of every resistance by the time you do Zot just to minimize damage from weapon brands, but rC is less important than rF by a large margin. You definitely don't need three of it. If you do Slime though make sure you have rC+ instead of fire though cause nothing there does fire damage while azure jellies will freeze you. rMut was axed along with several other brands the devs did not consider interesting. To compensate for rMut being removed, they increased the spawn rate of cMut potions. So horde those and chug them when you get a bad mutation. Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Jun 5, 2016 |
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Jun 5, 2016 21:52
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LogicNinja posted:I have no idea what the positive aspect of the current state of malmutate is. It's blatantly awful and means any non-Necromutation/undead character heading into Zot had better have saved his cMut or he's hosed. Is "horrible mutation Z:5 and orb run" really a desirable state of affairs? what games have you had where you were killed by malmut?
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Jun 5, 2016 22:29
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 rMut, still need to find a better amulet though. Going to resume my slow crawl through Zot, I guess.Kind of want to lament Okawaru for giving me just +6 eveningstar with sInv and vamp, but after everything else he gave me I don't dare even to think wrongly of him. 
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Jun 5, 2016 22:30
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With the new lack of strength weights, with str converted to pure damage and dex converted to pure hit chance, what does a good strength build look like? Or is everyone hefting around battle axes with 10 strength and 30 dex?
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Jun 5, 2016 22:44
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Hot drat I just beat Line sprint for the first time. That last line is a doozy.
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Jun 5, 2016 22:46
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PleasingFungus posted:what games have you had where you were killed by malmut? Once with Blurred Vision. But that was more for the fact that I did not have the current warning that "HEY IDIOT YOU HAVE BLURRED VISION, READING WILL TAKE TIME." Otherwise I've been killed by my own actions rather than some hypothetical.
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Jun 5, 2016 22:46
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PleasingFungus posted:what games have you had where you were killed by malmut? goddamn teleportitis
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Jun 5, 2016 22:47
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jon joe posted:With the new lack of strength weights, with str converted to pure damage and dex converted to pure hit chance, what does a good strength build look like? Or is everyone hefting around battle axes with 10 strength and 30 dex? exactly the same as before, since strength weights did not matter. if you have high str, you probably want to use heavy armour. if you don't, maybe stick with something lighter. shortblades are generally more useful for lighter-armour characters than for heavy-armour characters, since they synergize with hexes and stealth, but light-armour characters can use other weapon types just fine. go hog wild
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Jun 5, 2016 22:53
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Unseen horror on D:5. Thought it was the sky beast I had seen a few turns before, and even though I was moving towards the stairs/column dancing space, that was too OOD.
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Jun 5, 2016 23:30
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kalstrams posted:Where should I go now in my quest to at least rF++ before Zot? PleasingFungus posted:what games have you had where you were killed by malmut?
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Jun 5, 2016 23:33
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quote:12161106 LogicNinja the Englaciator (level 27, 188/199 HPs) I finally won instead of dying in a zig! I even went up with two zig figs in my inventory, tempting me. It's been a while! I got the Amulet of the Four Winds in Zig 1 (and survived it through... blind luck, mostly), which is what really let me coast through Zig 2 and postgame. That zig was hard, including a couple of really close calls on things like mummy floors. By the time I got to Tomb with two done zigs and 14 runes, I could just Shatter-mash my way through with no trouble. Basic mummies not cursing your gear anymore is a huge QOL improvement, I love it. Fortunately, one thing you can now do in Zigs is chain-read Blink scrolls to get to the downstairs and try to recover on the next floor. Worked for me a couple of times. The removal of Clarity and rMut is as obnoxious as ever. You really need clarity to do zigs as a caster, so you literally have to hope for the mutation or the amulet of the four winds (or that katana that has it, I guess). Necromutation means malmutate isn't a problem, but for melee characters, I just can't imagine doing end/postgame as a melee dude now. It's so bad that I literally stopped playing melee guys in trunk and go back to 0.17 for that.
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I lost a strong character recently because I had teleportitis and no -tele. It's very dangerous by depths or so.
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Jun 5, 2016 23:45
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PleasingFungus posted:what games have you had where you were killed by malmut? Malmut killed me by getting me to try a zig in search of cMut and dyding, does that count? Seriously, Malmut is terrible, and as much as OOFs spam it, getting a melee character through Zot sounds like a nightmare. It also means melee dudes can't afford to play mutation roulette in the early-mid game, because they need to save every cMut for the end, so it's anti-fun in that regard as well.
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Jun 5, 2016 23:47
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Just saw this on Gamers With Jobs, a scroll of acquirement decision tree.
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Jun 5, 2016 23:52
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Oh my gosh, I just figured out the best combo with the ancestor god. Inner fire works on your own ancestor, so you can cast it, use the ability to put it into enemy ranks, and when it dies, BOOM!
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Unimpressed posted:Just saw this on Gamers With Jobs, a scroll of acquirement decision tree. Someone make this but for Gozag shops, thanks.
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Jun 5, 2016 23:54
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"Are you a felid?" -> Y -> "Acquire wand or jewellery, then quit"
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Jun 5, 2016 23:55
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PleasingFungus posted:what games have you had where you were killed by malmut? I think malmutate is so unfun that it's easy to exaggerate how dangerous it is.
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Jun 5, 2016 23:58
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FR: When removing Pakellas as a god, replace him with the following: Phuqu - The God of Malmutation. Unlike most Gods, where you earn their gaze by showing their worship, Phuqu is always looking at you. And malmuting you. The only way to stop these random Gain piety by playing crawl the "right way", which will not be explained to you and must be figured out by randomly getting put in penance for doing something overpowered, using a flavor of the month item, playing a minotaur or gargoyle, etc. The "right way" will change each patch. Piety levels 1 to 5 stars give you increasing protection against Phuqu's malmute rolls. At 6 stars, you finally gain protection from other sources of malmute.
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Jun 6, 2016 00:04
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Unimpressed posted:Just saw this on Gamers With Jobs, a scroll of acquirement decision tree. PleasingFungus posted:what games have you had where you were killed by malmut?
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Jun 6, 2016 00:14
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Zaodai posted:FR: When removing Pakellas as a god, replace him with the following: Pak's fine, PF was only saying Pak is more likely to be removed than Nem is, neither are on the table as far as he's mentioned.
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World Famous W posted:I'm going to argue that if you are an Ogre (maybe Troll) that hasn't found a Dragon Armour yet to go armour first.
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