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MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Batham posted:

LOOK at this tower. Just. LOOK.

Worst was the, for the plot, completely meaningless segways like the King being at the inn in the 'WORLD OF WARCRAFT AREA THAT PLAYERS WILL RECOGNIZE' instead of simply at his castle.

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Not Operator
Jan 1, 2009

Not A doctor, THE Doctor!
That might be what bothered me most. Five minutes in Goldshire and no one begged for gold, or called anyone else a homo.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
Just be glad it's not Moonglade's Goldshire.

tazjin
Jul 24, 2015



This reminds me of one thing I found weird, which is how quickly they went from "Huh, what's a 'boomstick'? :confused:" to human soldiers having guns.

peer
Jan 17, 2004

this is not what I wanted
Speaking of ruining careers, let's hope The Guy From Vikings never gets cast in anything ever again after this movie.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



peer posted:

Speaking of ruining careers, let's hope The Guy From Vikings never gets cast in anything ever again after this movie.

He made me stop watching Vikings (it went to poo poo for me in season 2 and I never went back) and pretty much brings this movie down as well in all the previews.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 207 days!

Not Operator posted:

That might be what bothered me most. Five minutes in Goldshire and no one begged for gold, or called anyone else a homo.

They're leaving it for when they cross The Barrens in the sequel :haw:

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Yeah, gotta echo other people - surprisingly good, not even close to great.
It reminds me of Jupiter Ascending - same devotion to ugly, unreal aesthetics, same self-seriousness. It does not make a good movie, but if you are making some shameless blockbuster about giant pauldrons, be honest about it. Personally, I prefer cosplayers doing 200mil rainbow vomit to another watered down, ironic Marvel garbage. Trainwrecks are fun!

What is unforgivably bad is all the sequel-setting stuff in the end. Durotan's honor duel achieves absolutely nothing (like all of his arc), portal flip feels like a lazy solution to a script that tied itself in a knot, the king devises his Gamora-framing plan in seconds and he needs time to literally stop to explain it. That hero-blaming stuff made sense in the Dark Knight - that movie hammered its theme for 2,5 hours and it was "uhhhh, blame me, I'm a vigilante anyway", here it is just a callback to a single scene (for which the king was not even present due to Bechdel test compliance).

They sure got lucky with a competent director to make everything smooth and a great lead - Fimmel just does his smugass Ragnar from Vikings, dunks on a nerd wizard and it is more than enough.

Speaking of fanservice, the sudden Polymorph was the one that got me.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

fatherboxx posted:

What is unforgivably bad is all the sequel-setting stuff in the end. Durotan's honor duel achieves absolutely nothing (like all of his arc), portal flip feels like a lazy solution to a script that tied itself in a knot, the king devises his Gamora-framing plan in seconds and he needs time to literally stop to explain it. That hero-blaming stuff made sense in the Dark Knight - that movie hammered its theme for 2,5 hours and it was "uhhhh, blame me, I'm a vigilante anyway", here it is just a callback to a single scene (for which the king was not even present due to Bechdel test compliance).

Speaking of fanservice, the sudden Polymorph was the one that got me.

All the action going on behind him in slow motion got the whole cinema laughing at least.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

fatherboxx posted:

What is unforgivably bad is all the [spoiler]sequel-setting stuff in the end. Durotan's honor duel achieves absolutely nothing (like all of his arc)

It was pretty much all to set up Doomhammer and Thrall for sequels we might never even get.

Rogue AI Goddess
May 10, 2012

I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees.
That was a joke... unless..?
I liked the movie, mostly because I'm a sucker for gratuitous fan service of the scenery porn kind.

Build-a-Boar
Feb 11, 2008

Lipstick Apathy
The amount of times we had to go back to Karazhan though

I mean I love that raid but c'mon

MisterBibs
Jul 17, 2010

dolla dolla
bill y'all
Fun Shoe

dog days are over posted:

The amount of times we had to go back to Karazhan though

I mean I love that raid but c'mon

Back before I quit playing, I went there as a L100 (or L90, can't remember) and I simultaneously thought it was Really Cool and Really Annoying in a way that's hard to describe. I can't imagine going there at-level.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

MisterBibs posted:

Back before I quit playing, I went there as a L100 (or L90, can't remember) and I simultaneously thought it was Really Cool and Really Annoying in a way that's hard to describe. I can't imagine going there at-level.

As a TBC veteran I can say that it and Zul'Aman were the highlights of the expansion.

Bimmi
Nov 8, 2009


someday
but not today
Possibly the single most brutal movie review I have ever seen.

GonSmithe
Apr 25, 2010

Perhaps it's in the nature of television. Just waves in space.

The comments of this are going to be what this thread is going to be like, I just know it.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

GonSmithe posted:

The comments of this are going to be what this thread is going to be like, I just know it.

What's interesting about it is that it's definitely been written by someone who doesn't know the games or the lore. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread there's loads of poo poo that I know as someone who played the original games but isn't mentioned in the film AT ALL and is really bizzare.

For example:

quote:

The ones who have lines are white, and the ones who exist as fodder for the action scenes are green — while this dichotomy almost certainly causes some kind of racial discord in the orc community, it’s also our only means of telling these things apart
Now I know that's not why they're brown and green but seriously the film never covers why so many things happen. There's a few bits in the review that are straight up wrong too, but it doesn't surprise me because the film is all so loving badly presented and told.

It says Lothar or whatever his name is frees Girona. He doesn't, Durotan does. But that part makes so little sense I'm not surprised the reviewer didn't realise.

Taear fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jun 5, 2016

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

JOSH
JUNE 2, 2016 6:06 PM
Stop comparing LOTR with Warcraft already,for gently caress sake,people are tired of super hero movies and watch to see something new,good looking and fast actions.No more 3 hour of movie talking and one battlescene were you cant see what is going on screen

HUNTER8472
JUNE 2, 2016 9:04 PM
This guy… Sounds like he hated the game WAAAY b4 the movie came out to recap the story lol. This guy don’t realize, this movie was made 4 the fans (including me). N the game has been making over @ billion per year so Blizzard wants the movie 2 be epic, yes but its being made mostly 4 the fans that number almost 20million so where do u get a small following from lol… Just go n enjoy it n don’t try to understand it. It will confuse the non-followers ;)

CONFUSED READER
JUNE 3, 2016 1:34 PM
Trying to figure out why you have people reviewing the story of a nearly 30 year old series who’ve never been a part of it. This movie is pretty much much fanservice to those dedicated to the lore, meanwhile some oiled up hipster wants to throw their two cents into the wishing well to bitch about a story they know nothing about which was noticeable when he dove into racial difference between “white ” and green orcs like some sort of SJW for the fantasy worlds… stick to reviewing your “underground” and indie scene, pleb…. take your pent up hipster anguish and your artisan coffee elsewhere…

BANDYBUSHIDO
JUNE 3, 2016 4:41 AM
More copy and paste rubbish from a Disney fanboy who probably gave The Farce Awakens good reviews. Read this same review on Variety, etc. Watched with the misses and really enjoyed. I guess Blizzard doesn’t cater for party liggers looking for freebies like Disney did when they sold us worse tosh. Deliberately misleading review and should be scrapped.

Bimmi
Nov 8, 2009


someday
but not today
They maaaaad, hah.

For the first time, I have some actual interest in seeing this thing; a glorious trainwreck was about the best that could be expected. Feel bad for Dunc, tho.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Bimmi posted:

They maaaaad, hah.

For the first time, I have some actual interest in seeing this thing; a glorious trainwreck was about the best that could be expected. Feel bad for Dunc, tho.

As long as he didn't piss anyone off like Trank during F4, I think he'll be ok.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


This movie was terribad. I can't imagine any level of being drunk or high that would make it tolerable.

Jamesman posted:

I tried playing it again recently (last time I played it was when the Reaper expansion came out), and I feel like I can better convey my feelings on why it's so bad.

It is linear to the point of being suffocating. Your character's stats are all automated, so you don't get to customize how your character grows. While that sounds great in theory (Yay I won't gently caress myself over by putting stat points in the wrong place!), you lose the investment over your character that you used to have in the previous installments, and you no longer get a say in how your character advances as you level.

But wait, what about skills! You can customize those! Except that sucks and is linear too. Roughly every level, you unlock a new skill or variant of an old skill. Instead of building up a select arsenal of skills that fit your play style with a character, the game basically tells you "This skill is better than the one you were using. Use this one now." up to a certain point, after which you will just start unlocking skills you will probably consider absolutely useless. You never feel like you're building a character tailored to your play style, but just doing what the game is making you do. I also never fully properly grasp how many damage anything is going to do until I use it because the game doesn't tell you anywhere. Like they couldn't say "This attack will do X amount of damage with your current stats." instead of me loving around in combat to find out? I dunno maybe it does somewhere but I never ever found a way.

Shops are completely worthless. Maybe it's because of the new loot system but you will never ever find anything to buy or craft that is better than what you are picking up off the ground. Maybe that changes when you are completely maxed out on levels, but when going through the game and building up a character, you will never ever have a use for anything in town, ever. In previous games I used to buy poo poo in town all the time because finding good poo poo from drops was kinda special. But now either everything is special or nothing is, depending how you look at it. You are fighting special monsters every few seconds and are swimming in rares and it just doesn't loving stop. There's just so many item drops and you're always upgrading your equipment from random poo poo laying on the ground and I've never ever bothered to learn any of the prefixes and suffixes in this game because none of it loving matters because I just look for the green numbers and slap it on for the five minutes until I find another new special item. I still know what a King's Sword of Haste is but I will never know what any item in this game is because none of it matters.

But back to it the game being linear. The mission progression. While the maps can be pretty big (too big, really. Way too much open space filled with way too many monsters), you are always headed in one direction almost always. While Diablo 1 was pretty straightforward in its "always going down" mission, Diablo 2 could sprawl out a bit and have you head to a few different areas and you could check out a few stray dungeons and do sub-missions and even some missions in the order or your choosing. But in this game you're always being pushed to follow the story and go to specific locations in a specific order, and with the story being so overbearing you feel like the game is always checking in on your to make sure you're staying on the task. Each mission is broken up into multiple parts because of it.


But once you finally get through all of that and beat the game you can challenge yourself on a harder difficu- oh wait they removed that now. You can immediately scale difficulties however you want at any point. I guess what you do after beating the story mode is the thing where you replay missions for bounties and then spend bounties for new items? And then... you can be even stronger while you replay the same missions you already beat a bunch of times? Or something?

So in short they took control and customization away from the player and made it into a dumb mindless skinner box.
Just want to say you're complaining about leveling and story mode which literally nobody does. Leveling is basically a tutorial period to learn the abilities of each class, and the real game doesn't even begin until you're level 70, can allocate paragon levels, and play adventure mode.

Rares are poo poo and vendors are poo poo. Legendaries and Set items/bonuses have all sorts of crazy interactions.

Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jun 5, 2016

Bimmi
Nov 8, 2009


someday
but not today

computer parts posted:

As long as he didn't piss anyone off like Trank during F4, I think he'll be ok.

Beyond the strong likelihood of having pissed away a couple hundred mil of other people's money, this was clearly a passion project for him: to have (apparently) failed so miserably at pulling it off has got to feel awful. On top of which, production began as his wife was diagnosed with cancer and was wrapping up when his dad died of same, with three no-doubt grueling years in between, so I can't imagine he is a very happy cat right now.

I hope his career will recover. But even if it does, he's always gonna be the guy who directed the goddamn Warcraft movie.

Bimmi fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Jun 5, 2016

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

GonSmithe posted:

The comments of this are going to be what this thread is going to be like, I just know it.

I didn't realize the movie has yet to air in the US. :staredog:

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours

GonSmithe posted:

The comments of this are going to be what this thread is going to be like, I just know it.

Battlefield Earth of the 21st Century makes me kind of curious in it, but I won't be fooled.

Immortan
Jun 6, 2015

by Shine



Oh man...

Bimmi
Nov 8, 2009


someday
but not today

Immortan posted:



Oh man...

"Painted green and sporting a set of plastic Halloween fangs on the wrong half of her teeth, Patton consistently looks like she’s about to lose a cos-play contest for her own character. "

Yeeowch.

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008




Sad thing is it looks like a bad paint job but it's just a bad photoshop filter.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 207 days!

Bimmi posted:

Beyond the strong likelihood of having pissed away a couple hundred mil of other people's money, this was clearly a passion project for him: to have (apparently) failed so miserably at pulling it off has got to feel awful. On top of which, production began as his wife was diagnosed with cancer and was wrapping up when his dad died of same, with three no-doubt grueling years in between, so I can't imagine he is a very happy cat right now.

I hope his career will recover. But even if it does, he's always gonna be the guy who directed the goddamn Warcraft movie.

Did Moon stop existing or something?

PoPcornTG
Mar 26, 2007

Dogs day afternoon
Bleak Gremlin

Josh Lyman posted:

This movie was terribad. I can't imagine any level of being drunk or high that would make it tolerable.

High is how I was planning on seeing this. So I hope that's not true.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh
I think it's telling that most of the defense of this movie is basically "now, hold on, it's actually just really mediocre"

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

PoPcornTG posted:

High is how I was planning on seeing this. So I hope that's not true.

Try seeing Gods of Egypt while high, I found it amazing.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



Thanks goons. I had to watch this in the cinema (girlfriend is a WoW addict) and you set my expectations so low thatch actually enjoyed the movie. I went in expecting steaming poo poo and hoping for the best, so I was pleasantly surprised by the bowl of piss it ended up being.

I kinda want a sequel, just to see if they'll retcon anything in true Blizz style.

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

~Everybody wants to be a cat~
~Because a cat's the only cat~
~Who knows where its at~

IronicDongz posted:

I think it's telling that most of the defense of this movie is basically "now, hold on, it's actually just really mediocre"

I like "mediocre," movies, and TV, and books, and every other form of entertainment. I hate the cultural meme that's festered for the last 8 or so years that everything has to be the best thing in the history of ever tour-de-force #gamechanger or a HILARIOUS TRAIN WRECK LAWL, and the ultimate crime is to be average. Average is the trenches, without average things that play it safe but because they are so safe are willing to experiment with one or two bits, truly great art would never be made if you ask me.

Sharknado and Troll 2 may be fun for a laugh, but I'm tired of hearing about them as being preferable to "mediocre," movies. I'd rather watch something I can kick back with a bowl of popcorn and ACTUALLY enjoy, even if only in parts or at an overall low level, than waste any more hours on IRONIC enjoyment of trash.

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




have we discussed the possibility that Duncan Jones has become corrupted somehow??

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Sanguinia posted:

I like "mediocre," movies, and TV, and books, and every other form of entertainment. I hate the cultural meme that's festered for the last 8 or so years that everything has to be the best thing in the history of ever tour-de-force #gamechanger or a HILARIOUS TRAIN WRECK LAWL, and the ultimate crime is to be average. Average is the trenches, without average things that play it safe but because they are so safe are willing to experiment with one or two bits, truly great art would never be made if you ask me.

Sharknado and Troll 2 may be fun for a laugh, but I'm tired of hearing about them as being preferable to "mediocre," movies. I'd rather watch something I can kick back with a bowl of popcorn and ACTUALLY enjoy, even if only in parts or at an overall low level, than waste any more hours on IRONIC enjoyment of trash.

Here's the thing. We've all seen hundreds of movies at this time in our life. The novelty of big cinema budgets and actors is not enough at this point. If you're showing us nothing new or at least interesting you're waisting our time. Especially in big budget CGI action movies.

Hat Thoughts
Jul 27, 2012

Sanguinia posted:

I like "mediocre," movies, and TV, and books, and every other form of entertainment. I hate the cultural meme that's festered for the last 8 or so years that everything has to be the best thing in the history of ever tour-de-force #gamechanger or a HILARIOUS TRAIN WRECK LAWL, and the ultimate crime is to be average. Average is the trenches, without average things that play it safe but because they are so safe are willing to experiment with one or two bits, truly great art would never be made if you ask me.


I like good things, personally

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Speaking of corruption, the quintessentially Blizzard/Metzen treatment of it on the Alliance side is the reason why Alliance part of the movie is a wet fart thematically.

With orcs, the corruption narrative comes naturally - they want more power to conquer, Gul'Dan obliges, Frostwolves don't like it because it is unhonorable and because chaos magic kills the earth quite fast. Conflict!

With the Alliance, Medivh gets corrupted by getting space AIDS from his travels (banging Garona's mother?), not because he wanted more knowledge or power like it should be in that kind of narrative. Apart from that, the Alliance is completely conflict-free - the king is a good guy, his wife is even better, Dalaran mages and Lothar grumble about the nerd only for a few minutes. Just an idyllic fantasy kingdom. In LotR you had a whole rainbow of relatable sins leading to supernatural corruption - apathy with Theoden, grudges with the Gondor king, envy with Boromir, greed and pride with Thorin. No scary horns needed (maybe some grimy eye bags).

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


In particular to one part of that, Medivh is corrupted because his mother got infested with the will of Sargeras whilst he was in the womb, he's not related to Garona at all unless they changed that. Medivh isn't a story about corruption, it's a story about a good man having to fight against an incredibly insidious form of mind control, he's not evil he's just got the leader of the Burning Legion in his head telling him what to do. It's rather telling that after he fixes that problem he exiles himself and dedicates his life to working out how to stop the Legion permanently. If they actually tried to make Medivh a corruption story that's hilarious.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'
I always thought Medivh's thing came from conspiring with Gul'Dan across the astral plane or whatever?

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temple
Jul 29, 2006

I have actual skeletons in my closet

Milky Moor posted:

I always thought Medivh's thing came from conspiring with Gul'Dan across the astral plane or whatever?
He was under Sargeras control before then.

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