kalstrams posted:

Can someone explain me the lore part where Pandemonium lords are mad that I steal the orb but then somehow an archangel hitmen squad is on my six?

SirSamVimes posted:

Hit squad from the Holy Pandemonium floor.

No, really.

Unimpressed posted:

Just saw this on Gamers With Jobs, a scroll of acquirement decision tree.

lordfrikk posted:

I was in agreement that Malmutate sucks but I've been playing a lot lately and I just don't see it as problem anymore, certainly not to the extent it's being implied here. Even if I disregard all the easy ways of countering it like breaking LoS, drowning the mutator in summons or using an antimagic weapon, I've been finding so many cure mutation potions that I've never had a major problem since the amulet was removed.

kalstrams posted:

Can someone explain me the lore part where Pandemonium lords are mad that I steal the orb but then somehow an archangel hitmen squad is on my six?

Fitzy Fitz posted:

I've had the same experience. But this is honestly just another argument for removing it.

e: Hoarding pots until the right strategic moment is boring. Pots should be for tactics, right?

jon joe posted:

Please share your sick orb of fire stopping techniques.

Microcline posted:

code:

1477976 cliffracer the Petrodigitator (level 27, 188/188 HPs)
             Began as a Gargoyle Earth Elementalist on May 30, 2016.
             Was the Champion of Vehumet.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 3 runes on June 5, 2016!
             
             The game lasted 16:54:15 (112459 turns).

cliffracer the Petrodigitator (GrEE)              Turns: 112459, Time: 16:54:15

Health: 188/188    AC: 50    Str: 15    XL:     27
Magic:  9/51       EV: 18    Int: 35    God:    Vehumet [******]
Gold:   4566       SH:  9    Dex: 10    Spells: 13 memorised, 14 levels left

rFire  + + +      SeeInvis +    a - +7 mace of Causality {flame, rC+}
rCold  + + +      Gourm    .    V - +5 ring mail {MR+}
rNeg   + + .      Faith    .    q - +3 buckler {AC+3}
rPois  ∞          Spirit   .    j - +2 helmet {Int+3}
rElec  +          Dismiss  .    Z - +2 cloak of Starlight {rElec rC+ EV+4 Stlth--}
rCorr  +          Reflect  +    u - +2 pair of gloves "Onusk" {rF++ rN+ Regen+ Slay-2}
SustAt .          Harm     .    E - +4 pair of boots of Decompression {rF+ rC+}
MR     ++++.                    J - amulet of Oniav {Reflect MR+ SH+2 SInv}
Stlth  ..........               l - ring of resist corrosion
                                k - +6 ring of intelligence

@: flying, very slightly contaminated, hasted, repel missiles, very quick,
incredibly resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: big wings, deterioration 1, negative energy resistance 1, electricity
resistance, unbreathing, petrification resistance, rot immunity, AC +20
a: Stop Flying, Renounce Religion
0: Orb of Zot
}: 3/15 runes: barnacled, silver, gossamer

I think I've got the basics down and it's time to learn about the postgame branches. What's the most reliable build for 15-rune runs? MiFi pure melee who goes Oka->Zin/TSO? Caster? Hybrid melee? Necromutation/transmuter shenanigans?

PleasingFungus posted:

except for mutation, experience, benemut, and of course cure mut

so 4/20 potion types

BigFactory posted:

DEFE With firestorm glaciate and lichform.

Microcline posted:

I think I've got the basics down and it's time to learn about the postgame branches. What's the most reliable build for 15-rune runs? MiFi pure melee who goes Oka->Zin/TSO? Caster? Hybrid melee? Necromutation/transmuter shenanigans?

Old Dun Cow posted:

Lock them behind a draconian in a hallway and use portal projectile to pelt them with 100 sling bullets.

IronicDongz posted:

I still think that the player should be able to get permanent bad(or good) muts as normal from eating/drinking purple, but malmutate should give temp muts. I will probably never stop thinking this unless the whole mutation system changes in a major way.

PleasingFungus posted:

what games have you had where you were killed by malmut?

Floodkiller posted:

On an unrelated note, I'm still working on the central Crawl authentication site thing (after being distracted for the last month), but got pulled away by a bunch of stuff this weekend to make more headway on actually getting a prototype together (after not really working on it for about a month). Hopefully I can get time this week/next weekend to put a shell on git (along with the design docs) so that there is actually a visible result and goal to work towards.

pathetic little tramp posted:

malmut needs some kind of permanence though or it's just not threatening. if it were temporary it'd need to be greatly powered up so you get hit with blurry 3 right out of the gate or instant level 3 dopey

PleasingFungus posted:

what games have you had where you were killed by malmut?

Darox posted:

It happened to me in the tournament. OoF hit me with multiple -int mutations which made me brainless on the orb run.

SirSamVimes posted:

My suggestion was to make it work like Drain or stat rot and require you to gain experience to remove it. Wretched Stars and Demonspawn Corruptors can give large amounts of muts with smite targetting that go away with a small amount of exp, and malmutators can give ones that take a longer time to remove.

Darox posted:

It happened to me in the tournament. OoF hit me with multiple -int mutations which made me brainless on the orb run.

Scaramouche posted:

I've probably said this before, but Formicid Fighter can be a real slaughterhouse once you get one online. Yes, no teleport, and that is a big big con. But, two-handers and shields at one go, with reduced shield requirements? Surprisingly useful SInv/Monster sensing? Dig at will? These all combine for a very survivable class, especially with their not bad apts. The big question mark is getting one to where you've skilled up enough you can actually take advantage of two hands + shield; at that point if you're thinking ahead with dig and murderholes you can probably 3 rune at a pretty high rate. That said the one I'm running has been lucky as gently caress (+1 CPA from a bastion, boots of flight, wand of fireball, amulet of regen, all before lair entrance), but they can be surprisingly beefy dudes. Regen is especially handy, in that it hopefully obviates the need for tele that you're never going to get.

EDIT-Speaking of lucky, a non-timed Bazaar entrance? I can go all over until I get some money and this entrance will never disappear until I go in right?

Poison Mushroom posted:

What's a recommended replacement for scrolls of Tele for Formicids, aside from playing carefully? Scroll of Fear?

Scaramouche posted:

- Is this a list or a discussion anymore? I kinda of lost track here

LearnDB posted:

formicid unreasons
_You sense a monster nearby! _You sense a monster nearby! _You sense a monster nearby! _You sense a monster nearby! _You sense a monster nearby! _You sense a monster nearby! _You sense a monster nearby!
see haste
see scroll of teleportation
see scroll of blinking
http://imgur.com/4ThdDED

Poison Mushroom posted:

quote:

Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)?
Hand Weapons
a - a +7 demon blade of venom (weapon)
b - a +2 hunting sling of evasion
F - a +2 triple sword of freezing