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Halloween Jack posted:I think the reason people called Bush Jr. a Nazi is because his was the most nakedly fascist administration in our nation's history. More than FDR?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Speak for yourself, phasmid, I am personally profoundly jazzed about having a thoroughly cost-effectiveness minded hawk in charge. I guess it would be better to be ruled by an intelligent schemer than a vainglorious myope. FDR and Truman are good for contrast imo, but that's another conversation methinks.
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Jun 6, 2016 01:52
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Hillary Clinton is a cold-blooded lizard person but she's OUR cold-blooded lizard person god dammit 
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Jun 6, 2016 02:38
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Radio Prune posted:More than FDR? Do you come from an alternate earth or something?
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:Hillary Clinton is a cold-blooded lizard person but she's OUR cold-blooded lizard person god dammit On the bright side it's hard to imagine a person more deserving of Hillary Clinton's Decades of pent-up higher than Donald Trump period this is going to be Hillary Clinton's One Chance in her lifetime to mercilessly Flay a republican alive, it'll be the one time where nothing she can think of doing would be justified. This is going to be amazing to watch play out. Every dagger that Hillary Clinton has sharpened, every bit of pent-up bitchiness that she's had to hold back, it all gets to come out it was glorious, merciless, slaughter. This is going to be loving biblical.
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Jun 6, 2016 03:04
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So I saw this video "the death of the American Dream". It actually disgusted me on a deep, gut level - I never felt like I'd looked fascism quite as squarely in the eye as until I clicked that link - but it also strikes me as a 100% perfect case of Economic Cluster Narrativism. By the end the Inner Narrative is squarely in the open, with the author-insert casting himself as King Leonidas of Sparta in a final battle against the forces of evil.
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Jun 6, 2016 03:20
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Prester Jane posted:On the bright side it's hard to imagine a person more deserving of Hillary Clinton's Decades of pent-up higher than Donald Trump period this is going to be Hillary Clinton's One Chance in her lifetime to mercilessly Flay a republican alive, it'll be the one time where nothing she can think of doing would be justified. I cannot wait for the first Clinton/Trump debate.It's going to be beautiful. The first question gets asked. Trump launches in a blusterous, non-nonsensical tirade. Hillary waits patiently with a calm smile, for him to burn himself out. The proctor say's "Ms. Clinton, your rebuttal." Then Hillary graphically vivisects the man on live TV. Glorious.
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Jun 6, 2016 04:19
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Thanqol posted:So I saw this video "the death of the American Dream". That video is just so weird because it starts off explaining some very real things that factor into the economic woes happening now. It shines some light on what led to the crisis, how banks came to be, the history of money, etc. It's pretty informative. Then it goes into extreme lolbertarian idiocy. Taxes are bad! Gold standard! End the fed!!!!
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Jun 6, 2016 04:30
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TheMaskedChemist posted:, Yeah. We've seen how Trump fares when he's not constantly being handled with kid gloves in debates: he throws a temper tantrum and blames "bias". Even Fox News moderators are too hard for him. Hilary would tear him apart. Naturally, it will do nothing to convince his rabid supporters, they are far too deep in the narrative to let anything dissuade them, but at least it will make his idiocy more apparent.
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Jun 6, 2016 04:35
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It seemed like poo poo started turning against him when he said that women who have abortions should be charged with murder, but then there was nobody else to challenge him at that point and it all just kind of went away. Some who support him will probably drop away into not caring about politics, which most evangelicals did not until Reagan chose abortion as the social issue to get them in with the racists and the millionaires.
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Jun 6, 2016 04:49
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Jack Gladney posted:It seemed like poo poo started turning against him when he said that women who have abortions should be charged with murder, but then there was nobody else to challenge him at that point and it all just kind of went away. Some who support him will probably drop away into not caring about politics, which most evangelicals did not until Reagan chose abortion as the social issue to get them in with the racists and the millionaires. He exposed the logical end state of one of the biggest parts of conservative dogma for all to see. He did that several times before with his increasingly blatant bigotry, but that time it would apply equally to white people, so it was actually taken seriously. It seems that the biggest blows he received in his primary campaign came when he either pulled back the curtain on the inner narrative or if he didn't pay homage to the outer one. I'm really hoping that having real, competent opposition and removal from his insulating rabid base will cause him to keep on fragmenting the GOP's loyal voting blocks.
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Jun 6, 2016 05:00
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Thanqol posted:So I saw this video "the death of the American Dream". When I was in senior year of high school, my econ teacher showed the entire class this video with the forewarning "I'm not supposed to show this to you". So of course we were interested. I remember being hooked into the ideology specifically by this video. It made sense, you know? It gave simple answers to easy questions like "Why are my neighbors suffering, why is government so poo poo, ect". Its not like we got answers to those types of questions in school so it was like almost cathartic to be able to "put the pieces together" and be able to point at one super sinister group of evil and vow to fight it. I got snapped out of it later, thank goodness, but I know a lot of kids who didn't.
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Anchor Wanker posted:When I was in senior year of high school, my econ teacher showed the entire class this video with the forewarning "I'm not supposed to show this to you". So of course we were interested. I remember being hooked into the ideology specifically by this video. It made sense, you know? It gave simple answers to easy questions like "Why are my neighbors suffering, why is government so poo poo, ect". Its not like we got answers to those types of questions in school so it was like almost cathartic to be able to "put the pieces together" and be able to point at one super sinister group of evil and vow to fight it. I can only imagine the stellar education you must have received from a goldbug.
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Jun 6, 2016 05:51
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phasmid posted:I guess it would be better to be ruled by an intelligent schemer than a vainglorious myope. FDR and Truman are good for contrast imo, but that's another conversation methinks. Actually I was talking about Obama as the cost-effective imperialist, but Hillary Rodham Clinton is entirely acceptable as a successor who will continue American Hegemony in a cost-benefit-minded fashion. 
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Jun 6, 2016 07:51
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Actually I was talking about Obama as the cost-effective imperialist, but Hillary Rodham Clinton is entirely acceptable as a successor who will continue American Hegemony in a cost-benefit-minded fashion. Hillary strikes me as someone who talks tough and cries when they get slapped. When she ran against Obama, she was pretty low-down in her campaigning, as is her tendency. After that, their relationship has cooled a great deal and if her last name wasn't Clinton, I doubt Barack would even take her calls. My opinion is that she won't be efficient against marginal groups or religious fanatics, because they will laugh at her. Which is pretty fitting - she deserves a good deal of the derision that's heaped on her by people in the West. She's a shallow careerist. If she chooses good advisers and if she listens to them and if she can garner new respect from the general population, she has a chance. But her record speaks against her. By comparison, Obama has really been kicking some rear end (and also violating lots and lots of international laws) by killing IS leadership, which is a much better plan than any dumbass "boots on the ground, OORAH!" plan the GOP puts forth every few years.
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Why would assassinating IS's leadership violate international laws? I always thought that the best way to fight terrorists and dictators would be to simply send in Seal Team/CIA death squads to kill off their leadership and leave the troops at home saving the peoples of all nations involved a lot of sorrow, how is that wrong?
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Jun 6, 2016 09:36
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fishmech posted:Do you come from an alternate earth or something? Some people might consider literally interning American citizens in camps due to their ethnicity as "the most nakedly fascist" thing any American administration has done since fascism was A Thing, but yeah those people obviously are just weirdos from an alternate earth. Or you're a dipshit idk
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Jun 6, 2016 11:00
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Morbus posted:Some people might consider literally interning American citizens in camps due to their ethnicity as "the most nakedly fascist" thing any American administration has done since fascism was A Thing, but yeah those people obviously are just weirdos from an alternate earth. Or you're a dipshit idk You do realize fascism is a political philosophy and not just "stuff the nazis did", right? Wouldn't making camps the only criterion make fascist Italy equally or less fascist than Boer War England or the US during WWII?
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Jun 6, 2016 13:40
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Thanqol posted:So I saw this video "the death of the American Dream". I always found it hilarious that the video ISIS made about the history of money, currency, the gold standard, and modern global financial system has fewer anti-Semitic undertones that this goldbug animation
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Jun 6, 2016 14:40
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Morbus posted:Some people might consider literally interning American citizens in camps due to their ethnicity as "the most nakedly fascist" thing any American administration has done since fascism was A Thing, but yeah those people obviously are just weirdos from an alternate earth. Or you're a dipshit idk Those people would be stupid, because there was the literally centuries of genocide against the natives that happened first. Or the extremely harsh sedition act. Or what was done to free speech during and immediately after the entry into World War I and into the 20s. Or tons of other stuff. So I guess you're the dipshit?
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Jun 6, 2016 16:58
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phasmid posted:Hillary strikes me as someone who talks tough and cries when they get slapped. When she ran against Obama, she was pretty low-down in her campaigning, as is her tendency. After that, their relationship has cooled a great deal Except for when he, you know, named her Secretary of State. 
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phasmid posted:Hillary strikes me as someone who talks tough and cries when they get slapped. Yeah, like that time she was grilled for 8 hours in front of a Senate Investigative Committee and didn't flinch once, or that time she was smeared by the right wing media for like thirty years. Oh yes, she's totally a wimp who gives up in a difficult situation.
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CommissarMega posted:Why would assassinating IS's leadership violate international laws? I always thought that the best way to fight terrorists and dictators would be to simply send in Seal Team/CIA death squads to kill off their leadership and leave the troops at home saving the peoples of all nations involved a lot of sorrow, how is that wrong? I should have put it more generally, perhaps his fight against IS in particular hasn't broken much. I can understand the idea of fighting to win, but his overall campaign against extremism has had a lot of collateral damage and has broken many laws, such as sending US forces - mostly drones - into places where we weren't supposed to be. But perhaps that's his prerogative as one of the world's most powerful men. And I already said killing the leadership was a good strategy. Knowing these types as intimately as the US does by now, we also have a good idea of how to shake up their fragile power structure. Fuschia tude posted:Except for when he, you know, named her Secretary of State. I thought that was her consolation prize for backing out of the race and endorsing him? Just because one hand washes the other doesn't make a friendship. Ratoslov posted:Yeah, like that time she was grilled for 8 hours in front of a Senate Investigative Committee and didn't flinch once, or that time she was smeared by the right wing media for like thirty years. Oh yes, she's totally a wimp who gives up in a difficult situation. She probably had a couple of valium beforehand. Besides, she's a woman in politics and married to a Democratic former president. Naturally the right wing media will never give up on hounding her, she knew that going in (or at least should have). She plays her cards, too, like when she cries her crocodile tears and the crowds of supporters actually buy it. Very presidential. This thread is entitled "Decoding Authoritarians". I wonder - are some of you ready to vote for one? xthetenth posted:You do realize fascism is a political philosophy and not just "stuff the nazis did", right? Also, this can't be repeated enough. People on both sides of the fence love to call the other side "Fascist". But anyone who has read about Fascism knows that it is neither a left or right ideology, but combines ideas from both. That's why nobody else in history ever succeeded in combining such powerful ideas as Nationalism and Socialism.
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phasmid posted:Also, this can't be repeated enough. People on both sides of the fence love to call the other side "Fascist". But anyone who has read about Fascism knows that it is neither a left or right ideology, but combines ideas from both. That's why nobody else in history ever succeeded in combining such powerful ideas as Nationalism and Socialism. It also doesn't help that fascism tends to end up including socialism for Good People but suppression, murder, and mistreatment of Bad People. I think that's also part of why "fascism" is becoming an increasingly good thing to call America, left or right; we have an absurdly powerful military. That military operates by its own rules and just gobbles up more money every year. When asked where it goes they just say "we spent it on defense. Duh." Our police force is becoming increasingly militarized and aggressive. Meanwhile, Good People (as in, rich white dudes that run corporations) get to do whatever they want. Bad People (as in, anybody darker than a paper bag) get treated badly. When a Good Person screws up they get helped because they just hosed up (sorry we cratered the world economy! Won't do it again we swear, thanks for the billions of dollars that we most certainly didn't just stuff in our pockets) but when a Bad Person screws up they get hosed up (what's that? Poverty, crime, and poor education are rampant in black communities? We better cut their funding to motivate them to clean it up themselves).
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phasmid posted:I should have put it more generally, perhaps his fight against IS in particular hasn't broken much. I can understand the idea of fighting to win, but his overall campaign against extremism has had a lot of collateral damage and has broken many laws, such as sending US forces - mostly drones - into places where we weren't supposed to be. But perhaps that's his prerogative as one of the world's most powerful men. Please stop making GBS threads up this thread with your disingenuous arguments. You risk doing actual harm go the ideas being discussed.
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phasmid posted:anyone who has read about Fascism knows that it is neither a left or right ideology, 
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Prester Jane posted:The Humpty-Dumpty Effect is an emotional defense mechanism triggered either when the Outer Narrative has become a liability in and of itself (rather than a shield for the Inner Narrative) or in the course of arguing about an Outer Narrative part of the Inner Narrative has been inadvertently attacked. Under such circumstances the seemingl impregnable hard shell of the Outer Narrative suddenly cracks, and the gooey (and incredibly narcissistic) self-serving fear based Inner Narrative comes out. Normal people when they witness this are usually confused and at a loss for words, which the Narrativist interprets as validation for their Inner Narrative. Prester Jane posted:To answer your queztion, his Inner Narrative is that his political opponents are Nazi's, making him a noble hero working to expose their nefarious lies. His Outer Narrative was effectively didmantled, so he reports to his deeper truth that his opponents are Nazi's, so what they say doesn't matter because theyou are an evil enemy. That smug grin is the deluded aelf-satisfaction he is deriving for having the,courage to put the truth put in the open. He interprets Thomas Hartman's response as shock that his ruse has been so easily unveiled, and on Thom's own show!  This webcomic is long-defunct, but the author is currently an illustrator for DC Comics.
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He's got "Reagan was a conservative demigod" so thoroughly etched into his brain that he can't imagine anyone disputing the first panel - the other two just immediately concede the point instead of making the obvious response.
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Halloween Jack posted:This webcomic is long-defunct, but the author is currently an illustrator for DC Comics. Evolution doesn't exist because of Yugioh.
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That comic is absolutely baffling on so many levels I don't even know where to start.
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The cartoonist is a loving moron who somehow managed to come up with a worse argument than the missing link bullshit which posits that the more data points you have to make a trendline the lower the confidence you have in your approximation (incidentally it's really fun ranking creationist theories by how much of mathematics they directly contradict). He's instead making the claim that new fossils aren't found all the time and is also apparently in a world where every find is a complete skeleton, where having a more complete picture doesn't improve the quality of a data point, and of course where sampling bias doesn't exist (bet he'd point to a species of which multiple fossils exist because they were found at the same site as supporting his hypothesis).
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Yeah it's the usual "not up to my standard of evidence" bullshit, where the standard could only be met if you're an omniscient time traveller, and probably not even then. Sadly, these people must believe in nothing, so strict are their requirements for belief in a thing.
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Kilroy posted:Yeah it's the usual "not up to my standard of evidence" bullshit, where the standard could only be met if you're an omniscient time traveller, and probably not even then. Sadly, these people must believe in nothing, so strict are their requirements for belief in a thing. Also it's directly contradicting fundamental parts of statistics that can be trivially confirmed. So the least likely theory is the one they go with, or they just keep rolling with their status quo.
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Halloween Jack posted:Here's something I haven't seen anywhere else: the "opponent dumbfounded = can't handle my scintillating truth" interaction not in a real conversation, but written into right-wing propaganda. Who is it
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Literally The Worst posted:Who is it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_S._Miller I think that before he started his lovely webcomic, he was fired from a project at DC for harassing a gay staff member.
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Jack Gladney posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_S._Miller Lmao his most notable credits are GoT and WoT comics at dynamite what a fuckin blowjob
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Jack Gladney posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_S._Miller holy poo poo this guy has no idea how womens bodies work what the gently caress Edit: I mean I'm not surprised, but still
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Luminous Obscurity posted:holy poo poo this guy has no idea how womens bodies work what the gently caress Welcome to comic books.
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Mike S. Miller, if you must know. I believe he's part Asian, and for some reason, he used the pen name "Hapajap" on his webcomics and drew a self-insert character who wears a Japanese flag bandanna and has enormous buck teeth. (I've never heard of another conservative minority drawing himself as a racial caricature.) Radio Prune posted:More than FDR?
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