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exethan posted:A pocket veigar support is important for when your team picks 3 AD assassins for top mid and jungle and you can't dodge for some reason Why can't you play Bard or Sona or Morgana instead
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support Nasus can solo dragon @ lvl 6 though he can also get stacks from killing wards with siphon strike! your move Veigar...
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Jun 6, 2016 22:31
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I got an S-rank with Support Veigar because I ran out of champions to S-Rank with. It was fun but I wouldn't pick it over another choice.
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Jun 6, 2016 22:31
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Neurolimal posted:Nasus doesn't get damage from harassing the enemy. He also has no real stuns, just a mostly-alright slow. Nice. All you need is a mid-game AP item to mitigate the huge weaknesses he has which were intentionally designed to break his ability to support. That's one point in his favor. Then all you gotta do from there is convince one of the other players in the game to build support/utility items and your team is good to go!!!
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Jun 6, 2016 22:34
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The secret to climbing is mechanics and map awareness, but beyond that is learning how to lead a team. This doesn't just mean giving orders in chat or pinging, but forcing fights when you know you can win, or herding your squad into pushing towers, taking objectives, etc. Put people on your back if you are that much better than everyone in the game. If not, go back to working on mechanics and map awareness until you are. edit: Also, don't pick out of meta champs if you aren't good enough with meta ones.
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Jun 6, 2016 22:35
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Libertine posted:Nice. All you need is a mid-game AP item to mitigate the huge weaknesses he has which were intentionally designed to break his ability to support. That's one point in his favor. Then all you gotta do from there is convince one of the other players in the game to build support/utility items and your team is good to go!!! It's not even a requirement, its just a nice thing to have. I mean let's be honest here, nobody in this thread right now is Literally Dendi and needs the most esports support to do clutch flash instant stuns before accurately piling on the most important threat. If something works alright as a support then whatever.
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Jun 6, 2016 22:36
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Support Anivia is super strong, once you stack up to your second RoA you're really tanky, and your kit has a slow and a stun on it. Plus it's easy to flash farm the wave to help your ADC with wave clearing.
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Jun 6, 2016 22:37
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Libertine posted:Nice. All you need is a mid-game AP item to mitigate the huge weaknesses he has which were intentionally designed to break his ability to support. That's one point in his favor. Then all you gotta do from there is convince one of the other players in the game to build support/utility items and your team is good to go!!! What are these weaknesses?
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Jun 6, 2016 22:38
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It's funny because I play with a guy who has played support veigar/anivia a decent bit and does pretty well on the whole and I'd rather have to only play with that forever than a second game with support jhin
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Jun 6, 2016 22:38
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heh there was a drama bomb because tryndamere posted icefrog's real name (abdul ismail, has been known since 2011) on the lol reddit. its nice to see the old drama about pendragon (who is a POS) come back up to the surface in response
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Jun 6, 2016 22:40
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sometimes it feels like newbie advice is less aimed at helping the newbie, and more aimed at proving that memorizing the intricacies of a videogame metagame wasnt entirely useless
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Jun 6, 2016 22:42
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*in soaz voice* Tryndamere
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Jun 6, 2016 22:44
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rabidsquid posted:Why can't you play Bard or Sona or Morgana instead i was joking
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Jun 6, 2016 22:45
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let neurolimal have his fun with veigar support while i poo poo my pants over not winning a game fast enough
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Jun 6, 2016 22:47
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just go before the game dude
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Jun 6, 2016 22:48
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On the subject of climbing, I'd say for mid (and others too, but talking mid cause thats my main experience) the thing that separates a lot of players is that most people up through plat can't farm for poo poo. If you can cs really well, that is a huge point in your favor. It's certainly far from the only factor but its one that often gets really neglected. So if you want a concrete thing to improve on that'll help improve your play, make improving your farm a priority particularly during early game. Also mid Veigar for life. Though I can't blame if people want to play the best champ in other lanes, the temptation is too great.
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Jun 6, 2016 22:50
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exethan posted:let neurolimal have his fun with veigar support while i poo poo my pants over not winning a game fast enough Unfortunately camp 1 will run into camp 2 and I'll tear rear end around the rift on my atv raising hell and reporting all toxics in response.
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Jun 6, 2016 22:56
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Is it me or does Illaoi's damage feel a little bit overtuned? She's got next to no utility outside of buying IBG but when I get ganked by Shaco while laning with an Ekko, my first thought should not be "600 gold right there"
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Jun 6, 2016 23:13
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i cant believe riot games accused dota of being run by isis
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Jun 6, 2016 23:14
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Is it me or does Illaoi's damage feel a little bit overtuned? She's got next to no utility outside of buying IBG but when I get ganked by Shaco while laning with an Ekko, my first thought should not be "600 gold right there"
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Jun 6, 2016 23:15
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Is it me or does Illaoi's damage feel a little bit overtuned? She's got next to no utility outside of buying IBG but when I get ganked by Shaco while laning with an Ekko, my first thought should not be "600 gold right there" There's isnt an Illaoi state where she doesn't feel over or undertuned, it's a natural state of having a bad kit with no real utility.
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Jun 6, 2016 23:15
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RealFoxy posted:I kept playing support because I'm bad at everything else but trying to level up playing support is awful and you should learn to play tanky carries like Malphite because people are really bad and nothing says "Go right now" like a Malphite ultimate. I guess I could take Sona mid too, but that's probably going to make me greedy AF when I support with her. Fluffdaddy posted:edit: Also, don't pick out of meta champs if you aren't good enough with meta ones. LegalPad fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Jun 6, 2016 |
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Jun 6, 2016 23:31
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Is it me or does Illaoi's damage feel a little bit overtuned? She's got next to no utility outside of buying IBG but when I get ganked by Shaco while laning with an Ekko, my first thought should not be "600 gold right there" I recently got shat on by her, so I'm inclined to agree, but it's incredibly frustrating when she gets ahead, I can't pick out what her weakness is if she's tanky enough to trade with you. What's worse is that her E still exists, and if she lands it on you you're thrown into the Illaoi paradox where you pick between trying to murder the tanky dps with at least one guaranteed % missing HP heal via tentacling your soul, or running away giving up gold/exp, dealing with 15 seconds of harass, and taking a bunch of damage anyway. Seriously can anyone shed some light on what the "correct" move is?
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Jun 6, 2016 23:34
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Illaoi's laning is probably the only somewhat decent part about her
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Poulpe posted:I recently got shat on by her, so I'm inclined to agree, but it's incredibly frustrating when she gets ahead, I can't pick out what her weakness is if she's tanky enough to trade with you. Do whichever makes you not die, then laugh when laning phase ends and she is completely useless garbage.
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Jun 6, 2016 23:47
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henkman posted:Illaoi's laning is probably the only somewhat decent part about her how can she slap
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Is it me or does Illaoi's damage feel a little bit overtuned? She's got next to no utility outside of buying IBG but when I get ganked by Shaco while laning with an Ekko, my first thought should not be "600 gold right there" Poulpe posted:I recently got shat on by her, so I'm inclined to agree, but it's incredibly frustrating when she gets ahead, I can't pick out what her weakness is if she's tanky enough to trade with you. What bizzaro universe have I woken up in? Illaoi is weak to being kited and is pissweak without her tentacles. She wrecks anyone dumb enough to try to take her on one-on-one or two-on-one while she has her ult up, but she has zero CC so when you see her get feisty walk away. Just walk away. Let her freak out, wait for the ult tentacles to despawn and get back to doing your thing. If she's dumb enough to follow you outside of her ult radius and away from any tentacles the fight should be a lot more even. If you get grabbed by an E you have two options: 1. walk away, try to trigger it before she puts too much damage on your ghost. 2. hurt her. Every time Illaoi takes damage, the ghosts duration decreases. If she's focusing her efforts on the ghost instead of you (that is to say, she is bad) you'll be taking a fraction of the damage you normally would take in a proper exchange. Try not to get hit by any tentacles that are aimed at the ghost, and it's a lot better to fight it out when you're at high-ish health.
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People really like to focus him but then they're focusing the support instead of the carries so.... Gonna keep playing around with this
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Jun 7, 2016 00:28
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Deathcap is a really bad item without other things for the passive to boost.
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Jun 7, 2016 00:31
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the next level veigar build is relic shield so you can stack ap without stealing cs. then whatever you want after that cuz youve already won
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Jun 7, 2016 00:32
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rabidsquid posted:Deathcap is a really bad item without other things for the passive to boost. Like, say, the 100 AP from his passive by the time it's completed?
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Jun 7, 2016 00:32
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Yeah, sure, knock yourself out.
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Jun 7, 2016 00:37
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Taliyah still blows.
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Jun 7, 2016 00:41
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LegalPad posted:My frustration is completely my fault. I have a 70%+ winrate as Sona support, but I'm just tired of always getting the support role when it's a secondary pick. The champs I actually like playing mid or top aren't very snowbally, so even when I win lane it doesn't make that big of a difference I feel. Going 3/0 as Vlad in lane is pretty cool, but it's nothing compared to 3/0 Fizz/Yas/Zed/LeBlanc or whoever.
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Jun 7, 2016 00:51
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If you are only good at one thing and want to climb then just do that one thing and save your experiments for normal games. There are people on the ladder who play like 1000 Renekton games a year. They all kill themselves at the end but the Elo gained is worth it.
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Jun 7, 2016 01:00
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rabidsquid posted:Deathcap is a really bad item without other things for the passive to boost. To be fair, veigar passive if well utilized gives him about 300 ap. Veigar with dcap + one other ap item can often get close to 700-800 Ap and his ult is like a 1.25 scaling on a half health target. Though that's for mid anyways.
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Jun 7, 2016 01:08
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veigar support is good and it's fun to trap/stun the enemy adc every 15 seconds. honestly, it's pretty good in low elo.
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Jun 7, 2016 02:23
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 This was plat 3 (now promos)
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Jun 7, 2016 02:25
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While I believe in support veigar, I wouldn't link to a bunch of games with double digit deaths as proof
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I mean at the end of the day you're still playing an immobile AP mage with support experience. I'd die a lot but in exchange 3+ of their team gets stunned and hit by my W, one of whom probably dies to my ult. I'm also a scrub who tends to die a lot no matter who I'm playing.
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