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SuicideSnowman
Jul 26, 2003

Loopoo posted:

Thanks a bunch, good to hear I'm not doing anything wrong on my part then.

What's some advice you could give me for my first war? I've got 23 units or something (divisions? I've no idea) and I was planning on doing a huge coastal attack on Germany once poo poo kicks off. I heard men can die from attrition if they don't get enough supplies. Any general advice like that would be appreciated, so I don't throw my men into a meat grinder.

I'm not really the best person to ask, I just understand some basics thanks to watching some other people play the game. I suggest watching quill18's videos on Youtube, at least the first few episodes of his Italian campaign. He's not known as the best player or anything but he does a pretty good job of explaining some of the basic mechanics.

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GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice

BigglesSWE posted:

Pretty sure it isn't released yet. Will take some days before we get it, I assume.

Ah, okay.

Finished the tutorial. Took awhile, but Italy finally defeated Ethiopia.

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

I've played through to late 41 on three games now, Italy, Turkey, Sweden. I'm impressed with how consistently Germany stomps Poland and France, and how they keep getting stopped juuuuust before Moscow as winter rolls in. Good game.

team overhead smash
Sep 2, 2006

Team-Forest-Tree-Dog:
Smashing your way into our hearts one skylight at a time

In my game it's 1940 and Poland went last year but the Allies didn't intervene. France went to war to protect Yugoslavia (which was my next war in early 1940) but isn't part of the allies and is going it alone now Yugoslavia is down. Unfortunately the UK guaranteed all the countries north of the maginot line, so I'm going to try and take France down without doing the usual tactics and bringing the UK in. Currently I'm researching the focuses to get Italy and then Republican Spain to join in as I'm hoping that combined we'll have enough ommph just to push straight through France's most defensible provinces.

Loopoo posted:

Thanks a bunch, good to hear I'm not doing anything wrong on my part then.

What's some advice you could give me for my first war? I've got 23 units or something (divisions? I've no idea) and I was planning on doing a huge coastal attack on Germany once poo poo kicks off. I heard men can die from attrition if they don't get enough supplies. Any general advice like that would be appreciated, so I don't throw my men into a meat grinder.

If you get bored of just preparing for war, go for one of the fascist counties like or the USSR or go for the 1939 start date.

In terms of coastal attacks, yes, attrition is a killer. 23 units will probably all run out of supply pretty quickly. If you're going to do it I'd split them into three and try three separate ports simultaneously, maybe paratrooping a few guys in around the port to support them. . Remember to use research and train some marines who specialise in naval invasions and have a better chanch of pushing a garrison unit off of the province.

That said, naval invasions are hard and tough and put you at a disadvantage if Germany has defended his ports well, possibly setting you up to have your entire forces wiped. You could always deploy to a friendly country (Poland or France) and reinforce their front line.

Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.
The Spanish Civil war becomes hilariously frustrating as a democracy when you're CPU-bound to be stuck at around speed four the whole game.

"Yeah come on republicians, keep killing those pockets already now push into the last corner left what no stop losing yeah back to it"

I agree that more feedback on, well, poo poo in general would be nice, but I suppose the "what to set everything as and do first" etc poo poo will be in a wiki by the end of the month.

Xerophyte
Mar 17, 2008

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Re: naval invasions, one thing that the (non-PDS) streamers I've seen seem to gently caress up is that they just target the one port province. You can set the target to be a few provinces wide when planning, and adding the ones surrounding the port means you're likely to succeed even if the port itself is garrisoned. Then you can go squish the port proper before your supplies run out. It also seems like a good idea to have a couple of fairly large invasions fully planned out and ready to fire on likely war targets go as a rule, it makes the war go that much quicker.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

-Troika- posted:

How do I get new carrier fighters? I have the same ones as when I started as Japan and it's not obvious how to develop new ones. Or do the carriers just load the latest models of naval bombers, etc?

You have to research the carrier model of whatever airframe seperately. Ith the carrier icon on the top right of the picture of yhe plane on the research screen

Then you gotta build new planes to replace your old ones

ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010
Aaaaaaand found my first AI screwup:



Hm, yes, sure, let me just cram 60 divisions into this mountain province. 27% attrition? Suck it up boys!

I'm thinking it's because that is literally the only French province the Axis control, after a counterattack by DEUX METRES threw the Panzers back in the north.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Won the Spanish civil war as Republicans earlier than the Nats did and while using a 360 controller as a mouse. :smug:

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
Is anyone else having large issues using Battle Plans? They seem to require just as much effort as manauly managing your forces.

Koesj
Aug 3, 2003
725 fighter losses in 13 days as Italy - over southern france, my homeland, and two zones in the Med. Horrendous.

I've now got air superiority in all those zones though, and combined allied losses are 1236 :eyepop:

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

Never played HOI before, but I've absorbed plenty of it through osmosis just by playing other paradox games and following the community. Italy is a really good country for the tutorial: start against Ethiopia for the basics and then you can support Franco in Spain for a war with an actual front. I still feel a bit overwhelmed by my large navy and airforce which I'm not sure what to do with.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

The Soviet Union has determined that the Nazis can wait, Turkey must be burned to the ground.

Actually a smart plan because I was going to flip them fascist to spear at the Caucasus.

Koesj
Aug 3, 2003
Okay what's really stupid is South African forces marching straight across the whole continent to cut me off vertically in Egypt :downs:

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Koesj posted:

Okay what's really stupid is South African forces marching straight across the whole continent to cut me off vertically in Egypt :downs:

Not if they did in fact cut you off!

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Mister Adequate posted:

Not if they did in fact cut you off!

Yea sounds like some plucky South African soldiers did the impossible and...saved Egypt? I'm not sure what the goal here was but by god they did a thing.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

Koesj posted:

Okay what's really stupid is South African forces marching straight across the whole continent to cut me off vertically in Egypt :downs:

Brave Boers, making the Greatest Trek, clearing the land for the True and Righteous settlers.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Can you upgrade obsolete tanks/planes/ships?

ass struggle
Dec 25, 2012

by Athanatos

StashAugustine posted:

Can you upgrade obsolete tanks/planes/ships?

Yes, but you keep the old planes.

They're useful for kamikazes

Speaking of I thought kamikazes were a Japanese only focus? Because I just sunk some british ships with them as Republican Spain.

Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.
No.

There also isn't really a penalty for using them, so have obsoletes shore up the backlines/convoy defend.

V for Vegas
Sep 1, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Koesj posted:

Okay what's really stupid is South African forces marching straight across the whole continent to cut me off vertically in Egypt :downs:

'N boer maak 'n plan

TehKeen
May 24, 2006

Maybe she's born with it.
Maybe it's
cosmoline.


slavatuvs posted:

Yes, but you keep the old planes.

They're useful for kamikazes

Speaking of I thought kamikazes were a Japanese only focus? Because I just sunk some british ships with them as Republican Spain.

There's also a "New Soviet Man" or some such that gives the USSR Kamikazes. :captainpop:

Koesj
Aug 3, 2003

V for Vegas posted:

'N boer maak 'n plan

Ja but that poo poo was baie sleg.

ass struggle
Dec 25, 2012

by Athanatos

TehKeen posted:

There's also a "New Soviet Man" or some such that gives the USSR Kamikazes. :captainpop:

Then why do I have kamikazes as a default nation?

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

TehKeen posted:

There's also a "New Soviet Man" or some such that gives the USSR Kamikazes. :captainpop:

THE MAN WITH THE GUNS SHOOTS, THE MAN WITHOUT THE GUNS SITS IN THE BACK SEAT. WHEN THE MAN WITH THE GUNS IS KILLED, THE MAN WITHOUT GUNS CRASHES THE PLANE.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Hey I never messed with it in other HoI, how do countries like the British occupied India play? It looks like it's treated as its own thing rather than, say, a country that's just part of the big UK blob. Does it have any interesting rules, and are there any other countries like it you can play as?

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Tatum Girlparts posted:

Hey I never messed with it in other HoI, how do countries like the British occupied India play? It looks like it's treated as its own thing rather than, say, a country that's just part of the big UK blob. Does it have any interesting rules, and are there any other countries like it you can play as?

I think it depends on the size/location of said occupied province or country? In the Canada playthrough I was watching Newfoundland/Labrador was definitely part of Britain.

e: I just bought the game because I am weak and Paradox does good things with my money.

The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won

Tatum Girlparts posted:

Hey I never messed with it in other HoI, how do countries like the British occupied India play? It looks like it's treated as its own thing rather than, say, a country that's just part of the big UK blob. Does it have any interesting rules, and are there any other countries like it you can play as?

It doesn't have a unique national focus tree (though that would be an interesting country for one), so mechanically it would probably play a lot like any other minor. I think most of the other colonial holdings are owned directly, I imagine British India is a special case to stop the UK having ridiculous manpower, resources etc.

Kaidyn
May 22, 2009

What is there left to discover about donuts...?
Question 1: How do I build planes? Just finished Italy tutorial land, getting ready to attack Yugoslavia but I can make an airgroup, and set it to like 5/200 or something but that doesn't build planes?

Question 2: Is there a list of what countries have unique national focus trees? I'm pretty sure the wiki doesn't have all of them listed yet.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Yea if the UK 'had' India proper they'd pretty much have a fairly strong position in every single possible area to fight from, kinda overpowered even for historical British Empire stuff.

Pity it doesn't have a unique tree or something, I'd kinda love a thing where you can either rebel or maybe even join with the empire 'fully' and all along with the whole 'oh hey Japan and China are loving around right next door, that's not good' thing. India is a pretty unique perspective in WW2 that's hardly ever used, maybe a future DLC could expand it.

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


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The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won

Kaidyn posted:

Question 2: Is there a list of what countries have unique national focus trees? I'm pretty sure the wiki doesn't have all of them listed yet.

As far as I know it's just the big 8:

UK
Germany
Italy
USSR
France
Japan
China
USA

And Poland is getting a unique one with the upcoming free DLC.

vvv oh wow, you're right. I didn't expect to see it until the first hotfixes got pushed out.

The Narrator fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Jun 7, 2016

uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!

The Narrator posted:

As far as I know it's just the big 8:

UK
Germany
Italy
USSR
France
Japan
China
USA

And Poland is getting a unique one with the upcoming free DLC.

The DLC is already out and it's free.

V for Vegas
Sep 1, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER

The Narrator posted:

As far as I know it's just the big 8:

UK
Germany
Italy
USSR
France
Japan
China
USA

And Poland is getting a unique one with the upcoming free DLC.

vvv oh wow, you're right. I didn't expect to see it until the first hotfixes got pushed out.

Does Nat China have one? I thought it was generic.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

uPen posted:

The DLC is already out and it's free.

Does it show up as DLC to 'buy' at the store or is it just a thing that got patched in?

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Xerophyte posted:

Re: naval invasions, one thing that the (non-PDS) streamers I've seen seem to gently caress up is that they just target the one port province. You can set the target to be a few provinces wide when planning, and adding the ones surrounding the port means you're likely to succeed even if the port itself is garrisoned. Then you can go squish the port proper before your supplies run out. It also seems like a good idea to have a couple of fairly large invasions fully planned out and ready to fire on likely war targets go as a rule, it makes the war go that much quicker.

Pfft, on D-day we just crammed millions of men onto a mile wide strip of beach with no prep work. Counterintelligence? Paratroopers? Sabotage? A wide front? Offshore support? Air cover? We just lasso selected some riflemen and told the AI to make it happen.

The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won

V for Vegas posted:

Does Nat China have one? I thought it was generic.

Oh, you're correct. I thought the pre-release plans were 8 + a generic one, but it's 7 + a generic one to make 8. Seems like a nation that should get some attention in a hypothetical content pack, then.

The Narrator fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Jun 7, 2016

axeil
Feb 14, 2006
I am just loving around as Italy and holy poo poo this is so much better than HOI 3. I beat Ethiopia in the tutorial and I actually knew why I was doing what I was doing. I restarted and am now playing on Ironman. I haven't had this much fun playing an HOI game since Kaiserreich for Darkest Hour. Woohoo!

Is pushing non-aligned countries to the Axis a good idea if you're Italy? I'm thinking of pushing Mexico, Brazil and Canada into fascism so if the US gets pulled in it'll have its hands full.

uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!

Tatum Girlparts posted:

Does it show up as DLC to 'buy' at the store or is it just a thing that got patched in?

It's the Poland United and Ready DLC, everyone who buys HOI4 gets it for free.

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Zeron
Oct 23, 2010

Raenir Salazar posted:

Is anyone else having large issues using Battle Plans? They seem to require just as much effort as manauly managing your forces.

I am, I thought it would be a lot more freeform than it is but I can't get it to do much that isn't really simple. Also it handles attrition really badly, especially on narrow fronts with a fair number of troops.

Is there no way to release a nation as a puppet? As far as I can tell if you take territory in a peace conference there is no way to get rid of it short of making a completely independent country who hates you.....I suppose you can just justify and fight them again but that seems a bit silly.

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