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Which non-Power of the Daleks story would you like to see an episode found from?
This poll is closed.
Marco Polo 36 20.69%
The Myth Makers 10 5.75%
The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve 45 25.86%
The Savages 2 1.15%
The Smugglers 2 1.15%
The Highlanders 45 25.86%
The Macra Terror 21 12.07%
Fury from the Deep 13 7.47%
Total: 174 votes
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Emerson Cod
Apr 14, 2004

by Pragmatica
Big Bang Generation is great if you're a Benny fan and Engines of War is an absolute must - it fills in a lot of blanks for the Doctor and his motivation in Heaven Sent. There's a slight chance it'll be recorded with John Hurt but Nick Briggs does a great impression so its really worth listening to now. Haven't listened to many others so far.

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The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Emerson Cod posted:

Big Bang Generation is great if you're a Benny fan and Engines of War is an absolute must - it fills in a lot of blanks for the Doctor and his motivation in Heaven Sent. There's a slight chance it'll be recorded with John Hurt but Nick Briggs does a great impression so its really worth listening to now. Haven't listened to many others so far.

I don't think Nick Briggs does a good impression at all. I just read the book and heard John Hurt's voice in my head.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Jerusalem posted:

♪ It's Solon and the Brain, Solon and the Brain! One is a genius, the other's....

reduced to this - to the condition where I ENVY A VEGETABLE!

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Emerson Cod posted:

Big Bang Generation is great if you're a Benny fan and Engines of War is an absolute must - it fills in a lot of blanks for the Doctor and his motivation in Heaven Sent. There's a slight chance it'll be recorded with John Hurt but Nick Briggs does a great impression so its really worth listening to now. Haven't listened to many others so far.

Big Bang Generation is also fun because you get to hear Lisa doing her best Capaldi impression, which is only slightly better than her Sylvester.

Emerson Cod
Apr 14, 2004

by Pragmatica

The_Doctor posted:

I don't think Nick Briggs does a good impression at all. I just read the book and heard John Hurt's voice in my head.

It took me a while to get into it and he does slip out of it at times but there are scenes where he absolutely kills it. Still, it would be awesome of Engines of War is on the slate for the Big Finish book adaptation treatment.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Sieje posted:

I now want Haley Atwell playing the Zeroth Doctor set in post WWII fighting communist Cybermen and Nazi Daleks as she works to create Unit.

Haley Atwell has expressed an interest in playing the Doctor! We could make this happen!

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?



Short Synopsis: The Doctor knows what's up.... or DOES HE!?! (he does)

Long Synopsis: The 8th Doctor has been a willing "prisoner" on a sun base for six years, working to keep an ill-conceived super-weapon from wiping out 2 billion people in the local solar system. When a pair of rebels arrive to break him out, the Doctor has to figure out if he's always been in control of the situation as he thought or if he's been duped all along, and figure out which of his wannabe-captors and would-be saviors are trying to deceive him.

What's Good:
  • The Doctor knows what he's doing. Every so often whether televised or audio (or book) you get a story where the Doctor or some other character ends up having been imprisoned/held hostage etc for an unreasonable space of time. These stories usually involve some form of deception (a key theme of this fourth season of the EDAs) where it turns out it wasn't really the Doctor, or he negates the time for the other character somehow. But every so often you get a writer who likes to play it at face value - Peri and Erimem spending two years as prisoners in the Tower of London for instance (!), the Doctor spending centuries on Orbis. So it is here, with writer Eddie Robson (one of my favorite audio authors) having the Doctor - recently parted from two companions - spending six years as the prisoner of a group called The Consensus. And yet it doesn't feel forced or over the top, in fact it makes a huge amount of sense. The Doctor is a prisoner in name only, completely dismissive of his so-called captors, bemused at their efforts to keep him contained or order him around as he willingly remains in place working to keep the super-weapon he discovered the Consensus was using from blowing up. Time and again throughout the story the Doctor reveals that he isn't full of hot air, casually locking his captors out or bypassing their security systems when it suits his purposes, reminding them over and over again that he's been completely open all along that the "prison" and the "guards" are completely irrelevant and merely an attempt to maintain face for the Consensus so they feel like they're in control. The Doctor just potters away, keeping the sun's stability in check while trying to figure out a way to fix the damage the Consensus did when they tried to weaponize it, keeping himself cheerful by programming his android assistants to bear a passing similarity to Lucie Miller's personality.

  • The Doctor doesn't know what he's doing. And what Robson does so well is establish so strongly that the Doctor is completely in control of the situation only to upset the apple cart by finally injecting some doubt into the Doctor's supreme confidence. When two rebels board the station they both have ulterior motives. One wants to kill the Doctor so the rebel cause maintains a martyr without risking that the real deal might disappoint the troops who have built him up so largely in their head. The other wants to get the Doctor out... but also to destroy the station keeping the sun stable in order to prove a point - the sun is NOT unstable, there never was a super-weapon, it was all a ruse to convince the Doctor to imprison himself in a way that they could never match, a prison not of bars and guards but responsibility. The Doctor is quick to dismiss this of course and point out all the ways he has considered and rejected this possibility.... but the evidence keeps on adding up. More and more it seems like the Doctor HAS been fooled, that he's spent all this time and effort for nothing trying to solve a false problem with no possible solution. The problem is the only way to find out for sure is to let the instabilities go unchecked, with being proven right meaning the deaths of billions.

  • The Doctor IS way smarter than everybody else. And then we come to the conclusion and it's just masterfully done. Because despite being put between a rock and a hard place the Doctor does what the Doctor does so well and manages to walk a third path between two unacceptable and seemingly inevitable destinations and solve everything. The way the Doctor's plans all come together in the resolution, revealing that not only is he on top of the situation but that he has ALWAYS been on top of the situation like he always claimed... it's masterfully done. It's easy to make this kind of thing arrogant or unearned, but Robson's writing and McGann's performance make it work - it feels earned, the Doctor is far too earnest and pleasant to feel arrogant, and his intentions were always so altruistic that you (well, I) can't help but just smile to see him come out on top.

  • The Consensus and the Rebels. Deftly avoiding being too blatantly anti-communist, the concept of the Consensus is a pretty neat idea - a well-intentioned rebellion against a feudal system that attempted to stamp an unbending social framework and accepted zero deviation from their idea of the norm. The Consensus' actions are not cartoonishly evil but simply ill-advisedly unbending, to the point that they end up becoming monsters without even realizing it. And they're mirrored by the rebels to prevent a basic good/evil dichotomy, just like the side they're fighting, the rebels are just as capable of losing sight of the details in their big-picture mindsets - they end up advocating the exact same policies as their enemies.

  • The Mercurials. Similarly, the Mercurials are a neat idea - able to exist in extraordinarily hostile environments, they use their physical skills to sell themselves as mercenaries/guards/workers in areas that others not only won't but CAN'T go - they're completely immoral, they serve the highest bidder, are more than willing to change employers when the tide is turning, and bear no personal stake in the situations they find themselves in.
What's Not:
  • One character gets unceremoniously killed off and promptly forgotten, the Mercurials are basically written out once their part is done, and the Doctor kinda lets all this slide by. That's essentially the only problems I can really think of, and I'm stretching to even include those.
Final Thoughts:

Prisoner of the Sun does what it does very, very well. It's not a superb, unique masterpiece the likes of Heaven Sent or anything, but it's a great example of a really good story that executes what it is setting out to do magnificently. Eddie Robson is more often than not the highlight of any season of the Eighth Doctor Adventures for me, but I try not to prejudge by not looking at who wrote the story until AFTER I've listened to it. Part of Robson's appeal is that he doesn't usually write any one particular "type" of story, I never would have guessed it was Robson before I saw who wrote it, but once I did see he wrote it... I wasn't surprised at all. They cleverly get around the absence of a companion for the Doctor, McGann puts in one of his most confident performances and does it so well that he makes it (through very hard work) look easy, and the small supporting cast is just big enough to add variety without allowing any character to feel too loosely sketched or underwritten. It introduces some neat concepts, makes some extremely obvious parallels to the (at the time) never-allowed-to-be-covered Time War, and ends with a cliffhanger that does a great job setting up the two-part finale to the season (and the end of the EDAs as a seasonal thing, shifting to the lauded big event stories of Dark Eyes and Doom Coalition). It's almost entirely standalone but slots in perfectly with the overall season, the only thing you need to know before listening to it was that the Doctor had a companion called Lucie Miller at some point before this story. I highly recommend this one.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!
I really, really, REALLY need to listen to the EDA's. Hell, I need to get back to the main range - it took me forever to work through Survivors and Frankenstein.

Oh, and happy 73rd birthday to the one and only Colin Baker!

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

CobiWann posted:

Oh, and happy 73rd birthday to the one and only Colin Baker!

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



So are we getting new episodes this year at all outside of the xmas episode?

Pocky In My Pocket
Jan 27, 2005

Giant robots shouldn't fight!






What does your heart tell you

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



Little_wh0re posted:

What does your heart tell you

That Moffat needs to give either Sherlock or Who to another person to showrun

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch
Well, we have some good news for you then!

Well, perhaps not necessarily good...

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Rhyno posted:

Haley Atwell has expressed an interest in playing the Doctor! We could make this happen!

Agent 13? :D

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

CobiWann posted:

I really, really, REALLY need to listen to the EDA's.

I have to say, now that I'm up to the last episode, my impression of the EDAs is that while the dynamic between McGann and Smith is really great and you get the odd excellent story, the vast majority of it has been "Eh :shrug:" - not bad really, there are very few bad stories, but most of them feel pretty generic or fail to live up to their potential.

As an experiment it was an interesting idea, but I'm glad to be finishing them up and able to move both back into the monthly range where the stories have a little more space to breath, as well as McGann's big event stories like Dark Eyes.

The top quality stuff in the EDAs (usually written by Eddie Robson) really is fantastic though. Human Resources, Grand Theft Cosmos and Prisoner of the Sun are all just great.

Mortanis
Dec 28, 2005

It's your father's lightsaber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight.
College Slice
Yeah, but the ho-hum stuff that makes up the majority of the EDA run with Lucie is far, far better than the majority of the Divergent Universe arc.

And then Dark Eyes 1 straight up smashes pretty much everything McGann had done before with how awesome it was.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Oh God yeah don't get me wrong, the Divergent Arc was for the most part just dreadful (and it had such potential too!) and I was so relieved when it was finally over.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
I kind of got bored with the EDAs after the first season or two but the fourth season really picks up and finishes strong.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Well technically that's Sharon but I like your thinking.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
So what would you guys recommend to someone who hasn't listened to Big Finish audios in a while? I stopped somewhere around Scavenger in the monthly series, and White Ghosts in the fourth Doctor adventures.

I see that hell has recently frozen over so I'm definitely looking forward to checking out some of the 4/Romana II audios. Are any of them any good? What are the Churchill years and War Doctor boxsets like? Is the River Song/8 set worth a listen? Did Big Finish make Torchwood good? I'm feeling pretty optimistic about the 10th Doctor stuff, is there anything there that stands out as particularly good or bad?

I'm not even going to ask about the latest two monthly releases because it's the loving master and I'm going to listen to both of them even if everybody tells me they're poo poo. Also, anybody excited for Benny to team up with the Sympathy for the Devil master or have I gone too far down the rabbit hole for even the doctor who thread?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

The War Doctor stuff is good, though they've barely touched on the "insane reality-bending madness" side of the Time War yet.

I was very, very pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed The Diary of River Song, especially her interactions with Paul McGann.

If you haven't already, I really recommend the 10th Doctor Adventures, they're great.

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck

Chairman Mao posted:

So what would you guys recommend to someone who hasn't listened to Big Finish audios in a while? I stopped somewhere around Scavenger in the monthly series, and White Ghosts in the fourth Doctor adventures.

I see that hell has recently frozen over so I'm definitely looking forward to checking out some of the 4/Romana II audios. Are any of them any good? What are the Churchill years and War Doctor boxsets like? Is the River Song/8 set worth a listen? Did Big Finish make Torchwood good? I'm feeling pretty optimistic about the 10th Doctor stuff, is there anything there that stands out as particularly good or bad?

I'm not even going to ask about the latest two monthly releases because it's the loving master and I'm going to listen to both of them even if everybody tells me they're poo poo. Also, anybody excited for Benny to team up with the Sympathy for the Devil master or have I gone too far down the rabbit hole for even the doctor who thread?

I got really burned out on the audios maybe a year ago. All I've listened to since then are the first two Doom Coalitions, both of which I turned off about halfway through, and the River Song boxset. I also turned that off halfway through, but I quite enjoyed what I did hear of it.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Rochallor posted:

I got really burned out on the audios maybe a year ago. All I've listened to since then are the first two Doom Coalitions, both of which I turned off about halfway through, and the River Song boxset. I also turned that off halfway through, but I quite enjoyed what I did hear of it.

Man, you're not the only one. I tuned out in the middle of the Dark Eyes boxsets despite my favorite Doctor being 8 and the original run of 8DA audios being what initially got me hooked on Doctor Who. I'm wondering if maybe between all the special releases, monthly releases, ranges for specific Doctors, audiobook readings and spinoff ranges they've spread themselves a little too thin. I stopped listening because I kept hearing more and more of the same paint-by-numbers kind of plots, Nicholas loving Briggs taking every good concept for himself, and every third audio being the crap one because hey you've already bought the first two-thirds of this trilogy.

The Charlotte Pollard boxset was a crushing disappointment. They'd been teasing that for loving years and when it finally saw the light of day it was this middling, drab, soulless disaster. Dull. Dull dull dull.

Jerusalem posted:

If you haven't already, I really recommend the 10th Doctor Adventures, they're great.

Yeah I feel confident I'm going to enjoy the 10 stuff because, I mean, this is it isn't it? Their big chance to hook new series viewers who would never ever otherwise dream of listening to an audio. This is something you don't want to gently caress up, so it's got to be Big Finish at their best, right?

Chairman Mao fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Jun 9, 2016

Tim Burns Effect
Apr 1, 2011

Chairman Mao posted:

I'm not even going to ask about the latest two monthly releases because it's the loving master and I'm going to listen to both of them even if everybody tells me they're poo poo.

My first ever subscription was for the Master trilogy and the three Fifth Doctor stories before it and I would highly recommend doing the same. "Aquitane" in particular is one of my favorite BF stories ever.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Chairman Mao posted:

Yeah I feel confident I'm going to enjoy the 10 stuff because, I mean, this is it isn't it? Their big chance to hook new series viewers who would never ever otherwise dream of listening to an audio. This is something you don't want to gently caress up, so it's got to be Big Finish at their best, right?

Your mileage may vary of course, but the strength of the release for me was in how well it grasped the RTD feel of the show, and especially the wonderful chemistry/dynamic between the Doctor and Donna/Tennant and Tate. The actual stories themselves were fairly standard fare, though again it was standard RTD-era tv fare as opposed to standard Big Finish audio-drama fare.

I actually try to avoid grabbing much in the way of the non-monthly range stuff because there's already so much of that - but there's just been so much "can't miss" stuff recently I've kind of expanded without meaning to and it's just lead to me falling further behind.

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor

Chairman Mao posted:

Also, anybody excited for Benny to team up with the Sympathy for the Devil master or have I gone too far down the rabbit hole for even the doctor who thread?

The Master, like everything else in Sympathy for the Devil and Masters of War was awesome, not least because Mark Gatiss does a dead perfect Anthony Ainley impression.

Get ye to the Unbounds, J-Ru!

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Whoops, I meant Sympathy for the Devil Doctor but it looks like a certain "Sam Kisgart" is listed in the credits too. Presumably he's recorded his dialogue in a series of increasingly unlikely rubber masks.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

Chairman Mao posted:

So what would you guys recommend to someone who hasn't listened to Big Finish audios in a while? I stopped somewhere around Scavenger in the monthly series, and White Ghosts in the fourth Doctor adventures.

I see that hell has recently frozen over so I'm definitely looking forward to checking out some of the 4/Romana II audios. Are any of them any good? What are the Churchill years and War Doctor boxsets like? Is the River Song/8 set worth a listen? Did Big Finish make Torchwood good? I'm feeling pretty optimistic about the 10th Doctor stuff, is there anything there that stands out as particularly good or bad?

I'm not even going to ask about the latest two monthly releases because it's the loving master and I'm going to listen to both of them even if everybody tells me they're poo poo. Also, anybody excited for Benny to team up with the Sympathy for the Devil master or have I gone too far down the rabbit hole for even the doctor who thread?

On top of everyone else's recommendations, the Jago & Litefoot story with Strax that came out late last year is amazing. It's funny while having that tinge of Victorian horror running through it. The chemistry between the main troupe is fantastic.

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



IceAgeComing posted:

Well, we have some good news for you then!

Well, perhaps not necessarily good...

Man I had forgotten about that upcoming change.



gently caress.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Just finished And You Will Obey Me. Three really good episodes and one heavily modulated wet fart of a filler episode. I love The Master's tactic of accruing so many enemies that when he stays in one place for too long they end up, well, like this:



Tim Burns Effect posted:

My first ever subscription was for the Master trilogy and the three Fifth Doctor stories before it and I would highly recommend doing the same. "Aquitane" in particular is one of my favorite BF stories ever.

Nice, I'll be sure to check it out. It definitely looks like something I would have overlooked if you hadn't recommended it.

CobiWann posted:

Jago & Litefoot story with Strax

Holy poo poo you're not kidding. That's a real thing. Well I'm obviously getting that.

Jerusalem posted:

Your mileage may vary of course, but the strength of the release for me was in how well it grasped the RTD feel of the show, and especially the wonderful chemistry/dynamic between the Doctor and Donna/Tennant and Tate. The actual stories themselves were fairly standard fare, though again it was standard RTD-era tv fare as opposed to standard Big Finish audio-drama fare.

Oh man that's so weird to have Big Finish cashing in on nostalgia for an era of Who I was not only actually around for, but for one that I can remember posting about, here, as it aired.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!
Today, in 'good news that coincidentally sounds like just an awful two-parter', a BBC Radio science host found four potential new antibiotics!

On a Dalek.

I'm guessing it's because a bunch of nerds with questionable hygiene kept touching it.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

THIS BACTERIA IS INFERIOR! :supaburn:

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
That's ominous as all hell

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!


Suzie Costello would never describe herself as a hero. Not even if she were the last woman on Earth. Turns out, she's the second last woman on Earth, and that'll just have to do.

With the Earth frozen in time, Suzie becomes locked in a battle to save the planet and the life of Alex, the last woman alive. Hunted by alien warriors, and, with every hour that doesn't pass, the stakes are only getting higher.

Suzie Costello would never describe herself as a hero. But she would say she's someone who always makes the right choices. Wouldn't she? .

Indira Varma is Suzie Costello in Torchwood: Moving Target

X X X X X

Cast
Indira Varma (Suzie Costello)
Naomi McDonald (Alex)
Nicholas Burns (The Referee)

Written by: Guy Adams
Directed by: Scott Handcock
Produced by: James Goss
Script edited by: Steve Tribe
Released: June 2016

Trailer - https://www.bigfinish.com/releases/popout/moving-target-1392

X X X X X

Torchwood: Moving Target is another quality release from Big Finish’s line of Torchwood audios, successfully combining suspense and action while also throwing in a few moments of levity. There is a bit of a twist on the proceedings however as the story focuses on a character who could easily be considered one of the show’s villains, Torchwood Three team member Suzie Costello. Where the story truly shines is how it presents Suzie as someone who is over her head but still determined to do her job and keep Earth safe from alien threats, and it pulls off this presentation well enough for the listener to forget just how pragmatic and devious Suzie really could be.

The 20th century is when everything changes, and Suzie Costello admits she isn’t ready to face the new day as she struggles with her alarm clock. And the day continues to go downhill once she looks out the window to see that the entire world has come to a halt. Cars are stopped on the highway, humans are frozen in mid-step, and even the raindrops hang motionless in mid-air. There is some good news however, as Suzie can still interact with the world (for the most part) and there’s a young lady named Alex who is also unstuck in time. While Alex is enjoying the opportunity to pull pranks on her unsuspecting co-workers and do a little “shopping,” Suzie is more concerned with getting in touch with the Hub and trying to make the world move again. But first, there’s the matter of the forces behind this chronological event. It seems that humanity is considered nothing more than pests to the greater universe, and the life of a single human being makes no difference in the grand scheme of things. So, why not take advantage of the primitive, worthless Earthlings? That’s exactly what a certain intergalactic safari company had in mind when they froze the Earth and picked Alex to be the quarry for a group alien hunters looking for an exciting hunt in a backwards land. Sent on the run, can Suzie find a way to keep Alex alive from a never-ending stream of hunters?

There’s little doubt that Moving Target was influenced by books such as The Most Dangerous Game, The Running Man, and The Hunger Games. Guy Adams, who penned the season finale More Than This for Big Finish’s first series of Torchwood audios, utilizes some of the same concepts that made that story a success. There’s a Torchwood operative, an alien menace, and a human being who had no idea of just how vast the universe truly until a drooling alien was screaming in their face. Adams’ script moves at a brisk pace, introducing Alex before Suzie’s musing monologues about the nature of the frozen world, which include showing just how much she can interact with it, drag on too long. Suzie’s inquisitive nature is balanced by Alex’s carefree demeanor to take full advantage of the situation she finds herself in, and just as the two establish their relationship, the Referee is introduced to explain the situation to the two woman. The Committee (mentioned in one sentence to tie-in Moving Target to the series’ overall story arc and feeling a bit out of place) has declared human beings to be nothing more than pests or vermin to be exterminated. Earth has been frozen to ensure that no temporal harm comes to the planet as Alex, chosen by an intergalactic safari company, is hunted through Cardiff by an alien hunter who relishes the chance to hunt an “exotic but mostly harmless” creature. Suzie, by virtue of being around Torchwood’s temporal technology, is somehow immune to the safari company’s temporal manipulations, and she vows to protect Alex from the alien hunter…even as in the background, Alex has easily dispatched the unsuspecting hunter and stolen its weapon. The Referee is giddy as the hunter’s death – this means Alex is a threat, and he can double the licensing fee for the next hunter. And when Suzie runs over the next hunter with one of Torchwood’s SUV’s, that means the fee doubles yet again for the third hunter. And so on. And so on…

It’s drat near comical how easily the hunters are taken out by Suzie and Alex in a montage of quick scenes punctuated by the appropriate explosions and gunshots mixed with the dying screams of the alien hunters. The hunters themselves are nothing more than bored, corpulent executives who want nothing more than an easy hunt that they could brag about, and apparently hunting Earthlings is the easiest hunt one can experience without a porter actually doing the shooting for them. By the fourteenth hunter, they sound almost bored with the proceedings as they casually check the bodies for more ammunition. These moments help to add a sense of levity of the proceedings, even though the presence of the Referee threatens to tip the scales a bit too far from “drama” to “panto.” Played by Nicholas Burns (from the Channel 4 sitcom Nathan Barley), the Referee is a robot who ensure the rules of the hunt are fairly followed. His disdain for humanity drips from nearly every word he says as he casually dismisses Suzie’s vows to save Alex, and I have to give Burns a bit of credit for taking the standard “alien finds humanity backwards” clichés and making them come alive (“Humanity is stupid for worshipping an imaginary being in the sky,” “Don’t talk to me about the sanctity of human life, I’ve spent the past ten seconds reading up on all your wars,” “Why are you protecting her? Are you mating with her? Disgusting habit, by the way”) by virtue of his delivery alone. This constant style of deliver becomes repetitive and threatens to undo the sense of tension that runs throughout the story.

It’s a nice twist that the hunters themselves aren’t the true threat to Alex and Suzie, but rather it’s the never ending constant stream of hunters who are transmitted to Cardiff on a continual basis. They might be cannon fodder, but they’re slowly wearing the pair of women down as they struggle to catch a few hours rest. Veteran voice actor Naomi McDonald (whose credits include Dark Souls II and Alien: Isolation, a game I still haven’t beaten because after spending four hours hiding from ONE Xenomorph, seeing an entire nest in the reactor core made me say “game over, man”) does a fantastic job with Alex. Alex is perfectly normal – admin job, steady boyfriend, best friend she both loves and hates – and listening her slowly go from freaked out target to badass hunter to weary soldier is something else and a showcase for McDonald’s vocal skills. What do you do when you know something is going to try to kill you, and even if you stop it, something else is going to come for you? And the person by your side, who swears they’ll find a way to fix it, can’t? The initial excitement and eventual stress-induced breakdown over the course of Moving Target is one of the finest acting jobs in recent Big Finish history. I eagerly hope that McDonald (who also starred in the Bernice Summerfield story The Tears of Isis) does some more work for Big Finish in the future.

Odds are that if you picked up Moving Target, you’re familiar with the character of Suzie Costello as played by Indira Varma. Varma is known for her turns in Kama Sutra: A Love Story and Luther. Most recently, she’s played Ellaria Sand on Game of Thrones. If you forget who Ellaria Sand is because of that show’s enormous cast of characters, here’s a reminder.



For those of you who aren’t familiar or need a quick refresher, Suzie was one of the members of Torchwood Three that Gwen encounters during the events of the premiere episode, Everything Changes. The events of that story revolved around an alien artifact called the Resurrection Gauntlet, a metal glove that could bring the dead back to life for a few moments. Hyped up as one of the team’s core members in the promotional materials, it’s revealed that Suzie had actually been committing a series murders in an attempt to study the glove and make the resurrection of the dead permanent. When confronted by Gwen and Jack, Suzie chooses to commit suicide, with her remains stored deep in the Hub and the Resurrection Gauntlet locked away. Initially a somewhat tragic figure, the events of the first season episode They Keep Killing Suzie shows a much more sinister side to the character. A series of murders by a colleague of Suzie’s lead to the Torchwood team using the Resurrection Gauntlet to bring her back to life in an effort to learn more about the killer. It turns out that Suzie had actually programmed her colleague using the amnesia drug Retcon to commit the murders if they hadn’t received the drug in over three months, which would have meant Suzie was dead and needed to be brought back to life. Using Gwen as a source of life-energy, Suzie kills her father and reveals that by sucking the life-energy out of Gwen, she can overcome the temporary effects of the gauntlet and become basically immortal. It’s only when the glove is destroy that Suzie finally dies for the final time, though not before pleading with the team to let her live, stating that Jack couldn’t kill her because she was all that was left of Gwen.

Cold. Selfish. Strong-willed. Pitiless. Why on Earth would anyone want to listen to a story with a character like Suzie Costello as the protagonist? Yvonne Hartman from One Rule wasn’t exactly a hero, but she more of a well-intentioned extremist whereas Suzie was manipulative and looked out for no one but herself. In a series already pull of flawed anti-heroes, making Suzie sympathetic in any capacity would be a monumental task. Working from Adams’ script however, Varma goes back to how Suzie was during the first part of Everything Changes. She’s proud to be a member of Torchwood Three, but still lacking in self-confidence. She throws herself into reading the rulebook trying to find a loophole to allow Alex to live, only to get frustrated and lash out at Alex when she realizes she may not be able to solve this problem. The ruthless streak is still there, especially in the way Suzie easily dispatches some of the alien hunters. Where credit is due is with how Varma manages to portray Suzie as someone who might just be a good person who got caught up in a bad situation. Anyone familiar with the events of Everything Changes and They Keep Killing Suzie might still have that nagging feeling regarding the darkness just below Suzie’s surface. But it’s very to forget about her personality as Varma portrays her as someone who is stubborn, brave, and willing to learn about her charge as a person. In any other situation, in any other story, Suzie would be a hero, and it might lead listeners to wonder if there was truly more to her, with the potential of future stories to…

…then Suzie finds out why Alex was specifically chosen for the hunt and what exactly she must do to end the constant assault against her.

There’s no build-up, no hand-wringing, no soul-searching. Suzie realizes was has to be done and simply does it. It caught me completely off-guard, especially when I looked down at my iPhone and realized there were only two minutes left to the story! It’s a sudden shock (or a slow realization to the more savvy) as Suzie watches the world start up again, proceeds to call Jack, and tells him she’ll explain everything as her voice fades into the sound of rain falling.

To be “adult and edgy,” a story doesn’t need large amounts of blood and/or sex. Characters making difficult choices on the basis of morality can be the pivot point for the most though-provoking of tales. The Big Finish Torchwood series has walked that line very well, giving listeners characters making tough choices or being helpless as someone else does something immoral. Heck, the only sex in the entire series (so far) comes from Uncanny Valley and even that was…sort of…tasteful? Moving Target succeeds as a well-written chase story with fraught moments of tension, but where it really works is how it handles the character of Suzie Costello, one of the show’s most memorable villains. She’s not twirling her monocle or actively working against her colleagues. She’s just looking out for herself and her interests, which is her own survival. Just because a character is likeable or means well doesn’t automatically put them on the side of the angels. And if they are on the side of the angels, it doesn’t take much for that halo to get tilted sideways, and redemption from those actions isn’t always possible or even wanted. Moving Target could have made Suzie a character who was only caught in one bad moment which started her down the slippery slope, however Guy Adams instead shows that under the thin veneer of humanity, no matter how noble or trustworthy, could lie a tar pit that spells doom for the unwary.

Pros
+ Great performances by Indira Varma and Naomi McDonald
+ A twist on the “being hunted” genre
+ A surprisingly sudden and dark ending
+ Doesn’t attempt to redeem or justify Suzie’s future actions

Cons
- Nicholas Burns’ comedic acting threatens to undo the mounting tension
- The Committee’s involvement felt thrown in

Cobi’s SynopsisMoving Target uses one of Torchwood’s key antagonists to show that just because someone is capable of heroic deeds, it doesn’t make them a hero, taking the listener along for the ride as Indira Varma and Naomic McDonald turn in great performances as humans being hunted for sport through a Cardiff frozen in time.

Next up – Ianto's local becomes somewhere where he feels safe. Safe from his demons, safe from his life, safe from Torchwood. Until one evening, Captain Jack Harkness walks into a bar....

John Barrowman is Captain Jack Harkness and Gareth David-Lloyd in Ianto Jones in…Torchwood: Broken

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
Penelope Wilton – who played Harriet Jones, Prime Minister – is to be made a dame for services for drama, most likely due to her work in Downton Abbey.

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor

Cleretic posted:

Today, in 'good news that coincidentally sounds like just an awful two-parter', a BBC Radio science host found four potential new antibiotics!

On a Dalek.

I'm guessing it's because a bunch of nerds with questionable hygiene kept touching it.



I really can't get enough of this picture. It's like where Daleks go when their vision is impaired and cannot see. (THEIR VISION IS IMPAIRED, THEY CANNOT SEE, etc).

But soon it'll be all fixed up. :3:

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

TinTower posted:

Penelope Wilton – who played Harriet Jones, Prime Minister

Yes, we know.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Fil5000 posted:

Yes, we know.

3/10 for effort.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


I always forget she was in Torchwood. Of the episodes of the show I did watch, the two with her in them stand out in my head because she did a pretty good job of playing up her contempt for the "eccentric" nature of the team - the others were horrible people in many ways but it was shown in a comedic or "wacky" light (including the oft-complained about literal rapist), but she was actually quite genuinely a nasty person willing to do anything to get what she wanted.

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Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Cleretic posted:

Today, in 'good news that coincidentally sounds like just an awful two-parter', a BBC Radio science host found four potential new antibiotics!

On a Dalek.

I'm guessing it's because a bunch of nerds with questionable hygiene kept touching it.


https://twitter.com/tuckerspatch/status/741311529287618560

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