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hiddenmovement posted:Of the last 4 kings Robert was easily the best Bobo the Red posted:Because it would be anticlimactic as gently caress.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:I'm confused by the celibacy thing. Marg's MO for the series has been using sex and femininity to get what she wants, first from Joffrey, and then Tommen, who's the perfect mark. We know she hasn't sincerely converted, so is she just not in the mood because she's being ripped apart by stress and anxiety, or is there some new game afoot? Giving Tommen a baby seems like the last step in the Tyrell plan, and would probably give her and her house more control over Tommen re: things like getting Loras released and his rights restored. Margaery is playing a role of a devoted religious nun now, and the High Sparrow is testing her on it. That's all there is to it. She's playing a role, we know that because of the flower drawing she gave Olenna, and the High Sparrow wasn't born yesterday so he's suspicious of Margaery but he's not convinced she's faking or anything, just slightly suspicious. But really you're overthinking it. As somebody mentioned before, its just a very obvious "HEY AUDIENCE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO LIKE THIS GUY". That's all that really happened. Its a real cheap and fast attempt at demonizing his character. "Hey, The High Sparrow likes marital rape! so he's a bad guy!! everybody please hate him now so its more satisfying when he dies in a couple episodes!!!"
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Jun 7, 2016 16:14
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It's tough to hate Jonathan Pryce though, especially when he's knocking it out of the park. The High Sparrow is a pretty rote character yet Pryce is just so drat charming that the show will be made darker by his absence.
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Jun 7, 2016 16:22
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Sickening posted:Eh, ravens are just cooler than pigeons and makes for a better story. No other reason needed. Perhaps more importantly, Robert Jordan used them as watchers and spies of the Dark One all over the Wheel of Time series, and Jordan's imagery probably had a lot to do with why GRRM picked a three-eyed raven as the countenance of the weirwood tree man. Summary: ravens are cool.
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Jun 7, 2016 16:36
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Zaphod42 posted:Margaery is playing a role of a devoted religious nun now, and the High Sparrow is testing her on it. That's all there is to it. She's playing a role, we know that because of the flower drawing she gave Olenna, and the High Sparrow wasn't born yesterday so he's suspicious of Margaery but he's not convinced she's faking or anything, just slightly suspicious.
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Jun 7, 2016 16:39
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Does the show have the budget for the Eldritch apocalypse now that it's been confirmed? They can't even show 3 dragons at a time, how will we get the Drowned God on screen?
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Jun 7, 2016 16:42
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I hope we get a CGI Kraken vs Drogon in the high seas fight if the Greyjoys ever team up with the dragon queen.
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Jun 7, 2016 17:03
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For the final battle they'll just show a close up of Dany's face being smug, put an orangey glow effect over it and call it a loving day.
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Jun 7, 2016 17:04
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tooterfish posted:For the final battle they'll just show a close up of Dany's face being smug, put an orangey glow effect over it and call it a loving day. Very Spielbergian!
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Jun 7, 2016 17:05
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Durzel posted:It's tough to hate Jonathan Pryce though, especially when he's knocking it out of the park. The High Sparrow is a pretty rote character yet Pryce is just so drat charming that the show will be made darker by his absence.
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Jun 7, 2016 17:12
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Yara mentioned of an alliance with the dragon queen, this was predictable via the events of the past few eps. But where did they originally get the idea for that? I seem to have missed that dialogue.
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Jun 7, 2016 17:37
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Ofecks posted:Yara mentioned of an alliance with the dragon queen, this was predictable via the events of the past few eps. But where did they originally get the idea for that? I seem to have missed that dialogue. Euron mentioned it in his "campaign speech." Basically saying that he would find her and seduce her into helping them. Apparently Yara thought that was a good idea and took it as her own.
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Jun 7, 2016 17:40
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MeccaPrime posted:Euron mentioned it in his "campaign speech." Basically saying that he would find her and seduce her into helping them. Apparently Yara thought that was a good idea and took it as her own. Basically it was: -Euron sways the crowd and promises to ally with Dany -Yara and Theon realize "he's totes gonna murder us once he's crowned" -They tap some loyal captains and steal the ships moored nearby -Euron goes to murder them and discovers their absence -They're now marked for death on the Iron Islands, the North, and the south of Westeros So they have nowhere else to go/base out of, they have a head start on Euron, so may as well beat him to the punch and ally with the force that will likely give them a new home.
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Jun 7, 2016 17:44
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Vulture Culture posted:There's a creep factor, but it's not remotely rape if he gives her a different perspective that convinces her to willingly consent. At no time does he say anything to either of them implying it's Tommen's husbandly/kingly right to take her whenever he pleases or anything like that. We already did marital rape on this show, and it looks like Ramsay Bolton. Ehhh... the whole "consummating marriage doesn't require the wife to be in the mood, just to be patient for her husband" is pretty bad dude. You're splitting hairs. "You should do this because god says so and you're wrong if you don't" is pretty heavy duress also, so that kinda removes the whole "willing consent". Just because you can point to another case of worse rape (Ramsay) doesn't mean its not marital rape. Same with Daenerys falling in love with Drogo, that doesn't undo the things that happened to her earlier on. Should probably just avoid discussing this topic in this thread though because its not like you're going to change your mind or anything.
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Jun 7, 2016 17:45
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OAquinas posted:Basically it was: Why would they be marked for death anywhere outside the Iron Islands? The North is openly at war with the Iron Islands, and the rest of the country is nominally also at war with them, why would they respect Euron's wishes? Or do you just mean because they're iron born? They definitely could've gone and joined Sansa and Jon. Theon's just a dummy
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Jun 7, 2016 18:05
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Bobo the Red posted:Why would they be marked for death anywhere outside the Iron Islands? Because the Ironborn are raiders/pirates which pretty much makes them KOS outside of their islands. Also that whole failed rebellion thing.
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Jun 7, 2016 18:10
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Orange Red Bull posted:Because the Ironborn are raiders/pirates which pretty much makes them KOS outside of their islands. Also that whole failed rebellion thing. I don't think that makes them KOS, but it would mean nobody would give a poo poo about them at least. I think its less that they're in danger from other people in Westeros so much as if they just chill in Westeros, they're not that far from the Iron Islands, and Euron is literally a pirate king. The guy uses dark magic in order to control the very seas and winds so he can fast-travel around and do whatever the gently caress he likes. When it comes to somebody like that being out to get you; you straight up run away, the opposite direction, as fast as you can. Now that means they won't be able to hide from him in Essos for long either, but if they keep travelling East they can at least stay ahead of him since he has to build ships before he can sail after them, and if they beat him to Danny then... they can possibly upstage his plans.
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Jun 7, 2016 18:14
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I'm not at all reading the "rape" part in that exchange. I mean, sure, we would call it rape today but it would hardly be called that in the cultural context of the show. It can hardly be used to portray the fransiscan Pope as a anything but a realistic adult who knows how a dynasty works. After all, this was a political marriage of the highest caliber. Margeary's feelings are besides the point. How can this advice makes him a villain in a show were most characters are warmongering murderers? That other priest that we were told to grieve for was after all a thief, child murderer and rapist. In other notes. Arya =waif? I'm buying it. You?
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Jun 7, 2016 18:15
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Quift posted:I'm not at all reading the "rape" part in that exchange. I mean, sure, we would call it rape today but it would hardly be called that in the cultural context of the show. That's not the point and doesn't loving matter. Margaery isn't going "OH MY GOD HE WANTS TOMMEN TO RAPE ME?" nobody is acting like Margaery is thinking of it that way. That isn't remotely the point. You've somehow completely misunderstood. For the third time; that whole scene was designed to make us, the audience, hate the High Sparrow. We the audience with modern morals and ethics. That's the whole loving point. Its not supposed to be a big deal for Margaery, and she's just playing him anyways.
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Orange Red Bull posted:Because the Ironborn are raiders/pirates which pretty much makes them KOS outside of their islands. Also that whole failed rebellion thing. Their last failed rebellion left both Theon, Yara, their dad, and their uncle alive, so I'm not sure it's quite that drastic. They're still highborn, they're still valuable prisoners (or allies. Everything is a mess).
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Jun 7, 2016 18:17
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Zaphod42 posted:That's not the point and doesn't loving matter. Yeah. I don't buy that. At all. It did not make me feel worse about him. He is still a teddybear next to the many murderous psychopaths that I'm apparently supposed to root for. Given that our "modern sensibilities" quite clearly should work to make daenarys the villain of the show I'm quite lenient on the Pope who wants to avoid a new war of succession. Your our entire reasoning is based on the faulty premise of the audience applying their normal moral norms. Given how many thought daenarys let's rape and pillage two continents- speech was "feminist" I think you are seriously over estimating the audience.
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Jun 7, 2016 18:28
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tooterfish posted:Magic (I have no idea). The answer to this has been addressed in the source material and I fully expect it will be addressed in the show as well. It's not fair to say this about the author because he's already woven it into a plotline.
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Jun 7, 2016 18:29
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Theon is welcome is camp Sansa. Not that that means two squirts of pee since they are bad at army building. Hey we got the dregs of the North come join us! No thanks we like rapey cutty Ramsey.
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Jun 7, 2016 18:31
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Dr. Faustus posted:I don't want to be that guy, so I'll keep it vague. Just tell me, stop being awkward. Why are people so afraid to discuss things in this thread?
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Jun 7, 2016 18:31
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tooterfish posted:No, you're not that guy. But you're the other loving guy. I'll spoiler-tag it so folks who want to read it can and others can wait: It's already been alluded to by the mention of Bloodraven upthread. Bran's training shows him that the weirwood trees are like a network through which he can access all of history, though until this season there was no reason to believe he could change it. The ravens are a part of this. They know where a message is meant to go because of Bloodraven and the weirwood network. I'd have to pull down book five to locate the full explanation but that's enough to go on. I think it'll play some part in Bran's plotline as he learns the extent of and how to control his powers.
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Jun 7, 2016 18:41
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Vegetable posted:The words "of the Vale" are very clear. Who else do you think it is?
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Jun 7, 2016 18:51
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All this talk about arya and no one realizes the only person arya can should and will assassinate is the night king
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Jun 7, 2016 18:57
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Brick Card posted:I think the letter is going to be sent to Robyn directly. Sending it to Littlefinger feels too stagnant character-wise. I feel like the show has been telegraphing her becoming a player in the game. To have her come running to daddy every time she has a problem doesn't seem fitting of her arc. Maybe Sansa is brokering a betrothal between Lady Mormont and Robin Arryn? Not sure what else the reward would be.
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Jun 7, 2016 19:07
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Jun 7, 2016 19:09
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tooterfish posted:No, you're not that guy. But you're the other loving guy. ...why the gently caress do you think? Stop for five seconds and think about it. If there's a "that guy" thing, that implies that lots of goons have gotten upset about people posting about the books. Doesn't it? DUH.  That's why people aren't posting spoilers. Because this isn't the spoiler thread, and even when its not a spoiler people STILL get mad about book people posting information to flesh out the details. Try reading the thread. And don't get upset at somebody whose just trying to answer your question. Brick Card posted:I think the letter is going to be sent to Robyn directly. Sending it to Littlefinger feels too stagnant character-wise. I feel like the show has been telegraphing her becoming a player in the game. To have her come running to daddy every time she has a problem doesn't seem fitting of her arc. Eh, Robyn is an incompetent idiot and Sansa knows that. I don't think so. Also you don't need to spoil tag things that are just your own theories, unless you have read leaks of the next episode or something. Maarak posted:Maybe Sansa is brokering a betrothal between Lady Mormont and Robin Arryn? Not sure what else the reward would be. What? This makes even less sense. CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Or she's just asking Littlefinger for help Yeah, guys, this isn't rocket science. You're overthinking it, just like the "Arya is living Fight Club" people.
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Maarak posted:Maybe Sansa is brokering a betrothal between Lady Mormont and Robin Arryn? Not sure what else the reward would be. How valuable of a marriage would that really be for him? Robin is Lord of the Vale, surely he has better prospects than that (better politically of course, as there is nobody actually better than her in all of Westeros).
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Zaphod42 posted:Try reading the thread. And don't get upset at somebody whose just trying to answer your question. What I should've said is: if you can't say, then just don't say anything. Quoting someone's post to specifically say you that you can't say is redundant and a tad annoying.
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Jun 7, 2016 19:29
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ShakeZula posted:How valuable of a marriage would that really be for him? Robin is Lord of the Vale, surely he has better prospects than that (better politically of course, as there is nobody actually better than her in all of Westeros). I'm just spitballin', but he's not a ruler driven by rationality or propriety.
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Jun 7, 2016 19:32
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ShakeZula posted:How valuable of a marriage would that really be for him? Robin is Lord of the Vale, surely he has better prospects than that (better politically of course, as there is nobody actually better than her in all of Westeros).
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Jun 7, 2016 19:33
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Dr. Faustus posted:It's already been alluded to by the mention of Bloodraven upthread. Bran's training shows him that the weirwood trees are like a network through which he can access all of history, though until this season there was no reason to believe he could change it. The ravens are a part of this. They know where a message is meant to go because of Bloodraven and the weirwood network. I'd have to pull down book five to locate the full explanation but that's enough to go on. I think it'll play some part in Bran's plotline as he learns the extent of and how to control his powers. Maarak posted:I'm just spitballin', but he's not a ruler driven by rationality or propriety. bawfuls posted:More valuable would be Sansa, but how many times can she be married off??
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Jun 7, 2016 19:39
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tooterfish posted:I might have come across more aggressive than I meant to. So I'll apologise, soz Dr. Faustus. Yeah but he did tell you something. He told you there's a good reason and you'll probably figure it out soon on the show. That's an answer to your question that isn't redundant and still avoids spoilers. IMO the proper response. And then he gave you the full spoil tagged reason when you asked. Nothing annoying about either of his posts IMO, you're still overreacting. If he'd just said "Nyah nyah you don't know, can't tell you!" you'd have a point, but he didn't.
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I've already apologised, so I'm not entirely sure what you want to achieve with this?
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Zaphod42 posted:Its also actually an island in the literal sense because I'm becoming more and more confident that's the They filmed Lost in Hawaii. They film GoT in Ireland and Europe. Not all green islands are in the tropics. Plus the backdrop was probably CGI.
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island, it looks too drat similar not to be. So its probably meant to be an island. Although it didn't read that way in the show if you didn't recognize the LOST scenes, it felt like the middle of a grasslands or even Essos.
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tooterfish posted:I've already apologised, so I'm not entirely sure what you want to achieve with this? That poster likes getting really indignant
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