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frozenpussy posted:What I'd love to see are ISK kill totals distributed according to damage percentage. Include characters who land things like points and ewar on the kill parade, but don't add ISK to their stats unless they do damage, and only the portion of the loss according to their damage percent. that was one of gevlon's saner arguments but it falls apart once you realize that tackling is so much of the actual reason someone dies - the guy who contributed 1% of the damage to a titan effectively did nothing to kill it, the dictor who landed a bubble and popped a cyno to get the fleet was mostly responsible for the kill. the guy painting or webbing a ship letting dps be applied is responsible for most of the damage it suffered as well since damage doesn't really correlate to your effectiveness it's just not a good way to do it
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Xolve posted:How about because... we don't want to put our APIs in? its funny that the elite pvp alliance got dumpstered so hard by t1 ships they suddenly don't care about killboards you said you wanted old goonswarm back 
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evilweasel posted:its funny that the elite pvp alliance got dumpstered so hard they suddenly don't care about killboards Surely, losing 18 FAXs was the penultimate loss in PL history- one we shall never recover from.
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Jun 7, 2016 19:28
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Xolve posted:Surely, losing 18 FAXs was the penultimate loss in PL history- one we shall never recover from. i mean, im not sure you can ever come back from those capital fits
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Jun 7, 2016 19:29
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Baculus posted:I think it's CCP Quant who does all their statistics work? And does it in the most hamfisted, "I learned what a BI server is and plugged a bunch of database bullshit into it" way. When they talk about quantitative analysis of this game I get more frustrated than bored - and that should never be the case. I kinda doubt any data scientist worth a drat is going to move to Iceland to work on a smallish MMO when they can make $400k+/year in the Bay area or any other number of places
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Jun 7, 2016 19:31
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evilweasel posted:i mean, im not sure you can ever come back from those capital fits Worse things have happened- it's not like we lost 5 regions of space and money moons to Darkness and TEST or something equally catastrophic.
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Xolve posted:How about because... we don't want to put our APIs in? I could give a poo poo about PL's killboards. I'm genuinely curious where that decision was made, and the motivating factors. Whether they were strategic or not. Given its considerable population, you can probably find more than a handful of members of PL who don't have any objection to doing it. But it sounds like this is PL's policy on the matter, which means it's not born of some kind of general indifference to the existence of KBs. Someone with a bigger dick, higher up on the totem pole said "this is a bad move". That's interesting to me.
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evilweasel posted:im not sure you can ever come back from those capital fits 
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Baculus posted:Given its considerable population, you can probably find more than a handful of members of PL who don't have any objection to doing it. But it sounds like this is PL's policy on the matter, which means it's not born of some kind of general indifference to the existence of KBs. Someone with a bigger dick, higher up on the totem pole said "this is a bad move". That's interesting to me. I think it has more to do with the rampant paranoia in our IT department than anything else. I'd speak on this but I'm not an IT guy and I don't want my ignorance of IT jargon to give someone an aneurysm. We have our own services and tools, because some things are more trawled than others- i.e. we don't use adashboard.info or dscan.me- and the idea of giving free intel for someone else to 3rd party our 3rd party isn't what we want.
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Baculus posted:I could give a poo poo about PL's killboards. I'm genuinely curious where that decision was made, and the motivating factors. Whether they were strategic or not. It's because PL doesn't trust CCP not to break access masks on the API. They did it with the old API system so there is no faith they won't screw up with this system as well.
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Jun 7, 2016 19:41
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Xolve posted:Worse things have happened- it's not like we lost 5 regions of space and money moons to Darkness and TEST backed by pl and NC supers and horde meatshielding plus a retarded misplayed backstab or something equally catastrophic. Let's make it a lil more accurate
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Jun 7, 2016 19:41
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Jazzzzz posted:I kinda doubt any data scientist worth a drat is going to move to Iceland to work on a smallish MMO when they can make $400k+/year in the Bay area or any other number of places The problem is a bit more alarming than that. It's understandable that a world-class data scientist wouldn't want to work on a rock for 50k / year. It's more like the people they have for 50k / year are worth about 20. The data CCP releases is harmless in itself, like okay cool thanks for releasing some graphs, I can appreciate that. What bothers me is when they use very broad and general stats to justify very specific game balance decisions.
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Jun 7, 2016 19:41
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:Let's make it a lil more accurate But- GSF has more supers than anyone ever, and should absolutely not be afraid of poorly fitted PL/NC supers though- right? Also- having the sheer misfortune of dealing with GigX in the past few weeks- I doubt a backstab is within the capability of his feeble mind.
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iirc the only people at ccp who get $50k or more are like, c-level execs they are not exactly paying the big bucks for the best talent around
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Xolve posted:But- GSF has more supers than anyone ever, and should absolutely not be afraid of poorly fitted PL/NC supers though- right? Probably not his brainchild. Also, GSF has no supers. They're all hellcampfucked-ed in 93-PI.
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Jun 7, 2016 19:46
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Xolve posted:But- GSF has more supers than anyone ever, and should absolutely not be afraid of poorly fitted PL/NC supers though- right? The worst/best thing they did was drop that region commander info of all the builds in progress. Without the early abortion hype i dont think MBC would've gotten off the ground.
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evilweasel posted:iirc the only people at ccp who get $50k or more are like, c-level execs What's the cost of living on fartwater island?
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Baculus posted:Probably not his brainchild. GigX is the kind of retard that convos you and says "I can get a fight- we have cynos, are you ready?" We flash form, wait a minute for links, more logi, whatever He just says "gently caress this- I go alone" and welps a fleet. This totally wasn't what happened literally yesterday in Tartoken, promise. This guy, weaving some weird web of lies and deceit to trap friendly supers seems so far beyond reality, I'm tempted to send the story to Disney for a quick payout. Orange Red Bull posted:The worst/best thing they did was drop that region commander info of all the builds in progress. Without the early abortion hype i dont think MBC would've gotten off the ground. There were mistakes on both sides, some more considerable than others. No use throwing stones about it though, there's glass everywhere. Xolve fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Jun 7, 2016 |
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Oodles posted:What's the cost of living on fartwater island? your dignity
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frozenpussy posted:your dignity Are we pretending any of us ever had that?
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That ticking timebomb isn't going to solve itself, goonfleet, get swole. Brought to you by Zoolanders brother.
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bluegoon posted:That ticking timebomb isn't going to solve itself, goonfleet, get swole. Brought to you by Zoolanders brother. I don't know what you're on about but I got myself a gym membership last week and had my first personal training session yesterday morning where I got smoked.
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frozenpussy posted:I don't know what you're on about but I got myself a gym membership last week and had my first personal training session yesterday morning where I got smoked. I'm sure you did, dude, but your username combined with copious amounts of obese sweat makes me extremely uncomfortable regardless of your witty poo poo.
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bluegoon posted:I'm sure you did, dude, but your username combined with copious amounts of obese sweat makes me extremely uncomfortable regardless of your witty poo poo. I sense you are not the only person who assumes / assumed I am a neckbeard who drew elsa out of some kind of anime pillow infatuation.
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frozenpussy posted:I sense you are not the only person who assumes / assumed I am a neckbeard who drew elsa out of some kind of anime pillow infatuation. The truth is far more disturbing than the fiction.
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evilweasel posted:iirc the only people at ccp who get $50k or more are like, c-level execs is it actually that bad? that's terrible
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Glory of Arioch posted:same reason they don't straight up own things like evemon and pyfa -- they are incapable of making basic business decisions They're very good at making intricate and diverse things, but when it comes to simple things, like making a store that sells loving shirts or applying basic mechanics that any other MMO could find essential like a daily, they either just don't do it or half-rear end it. It's almost admirable how they can't see the forest through the trees. EDIT: In retrospect, they work against themselves on the merch, especially with what just happened with Rixx Javixx. Naz al-Ghul fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jun 7, 2016 |
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Landsknecht posted:is it actually that bad? that's terrible Some companies consider that they can pay less for quality workers because it's an opportunity to work near the fun. Which is to say that CCP management doesn't have any understanding of their product.
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Maneck posted:Some companies consider that they can pay less for quality workers because it's an opportunity to work near the fun. that's actually a terrible incentive though, because you're getting people who already have a strong opinion about the product and preconceived notions about what it should be, instead of objective opinions then you get stuff like t3ds and aegis sov
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Landsknecht posted:that's actually a terrible incentive though, because you're getting people who already have a strong opinion about the product and preconceived notions about what it should be, instead of objective opinions You also get devs who can't stop themselves from signal boosting hostile propaganda, which makes the company an enemy of an entity in their own game.
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frozenpussy posted:You also get devs who can't stop themselves from signal boosting hostile propaganda, which makes the company an enemy of an entity in their own game. there's been devs who've done that on both sides for years I think all the "world war bee" boosting wasn't so much anti-goon, but rather CCP needs a boost to their crashing sub numbers
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frozenpussy posted:I sense you are not the only person who assumes / assumed I am a neckbeard who drew elsa out of some kind of anime pillow infatuation. Sure you pound the poo poo of of that thing, peanut. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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bluegoon posted:That ticking timebomb isn't going to solve itself, goonfleet, get swole. Brought to you by Zoolanders brother. Please do not fit-shame
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Helicon One posted:Please do not fit-shame you cannot put something up in 2002 and expect not to be made fun of 16 years later, I'm sorry.
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Landsknecht posted:I think all the "world war bee" boosting wasn't so much anti-goon, but rather CCP needs a boost to their crashing sub numbers I believe this - however the "no Sions allowed" CSM rule is pretty much a gently caress you to him and Mittens. And now they get to deal with Xenuria, so GL HF CCP. Landsknecht posted:is it actually that bad? that's terrible The salaries on glassdoor were a loving joke. "Senior Developer" making something like 80k? I barely know SQL and CCP couldn't even afford to hire my fat, unqualified rear end. By the same token, if you look at their last series funding, it came from "investors" who were making patent plays aimed at VR. Their existing IP had fuckall to do with it... Makes you think about their business priorities, huh?
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Baculus posted:The salaries on glassdoor were a loving joke. "Senior Developer" making something like 80k? I barely know SQL and CCP couldn't even afford to hire my fat, unqualified rear end. I'm pretty sure only the Atlanta office made those salaries and that fartwater rock salaries were way lower. Could be wrong, but every story I've heard about their pay is ~30k.
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evilweasel posted:I'm pretty sure only the Atlanta office made those salaries and that fartwater rock salaries were way lower. Could be wrong, but every story I've heard about their pay is ~30k. But if you take that salary hit, you can propel your alliance into super-stardom, and make the game nearly insufferable in the process. When I came back and saw that inties were now bubble immune I thought CCP had finally lost their loving minds. As it turns out, I was entirely correct.
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Landsknecht posted:there's been devs who've done that on both sides for years that's because you're slow.
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Someone pay attention to noted unperson LJ Roos so he'll quit white noise poo poo posting in here tia.
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vyst posted:Someone pay attention to noted unperson LJ Roos so he'll quit white noise poo poo posting in here tia. PSY OPS
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