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Brandon Proust
Jun 22, 2006

"Like many intellectuals, he was incapable of scoring a simple goal in a simple way"

brucio posted:

"Outspoken" because she thinks Mulcair and Horwath are garbage

well

she's not wrong

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Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

Cheri DiNovo is cool and I hope she wins.

If anyone wishes to attack her from the left, I'm told she's an ardent Israel supporter.

Isn't this like the most basic requirement to be a politician in Canada? You can have just about any view on any subject, except Israel.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Baronjutter posted:

Isn't this like the most basic requirement to be a politician in Canada? You can have just about any view on any subject, except Israel.

China will be on the list of safe countries soon too the way Trudeau keeps taking things. :v:

brucio
Nov 22, 2004

Pinterest Mom posted:

:swoon:


AFAIK she doesn't speak any french, though, so I can't in good conscience vote for her, but I'm glad she'll be in the race.

updated:

quote:

Though she has no federal experience, she is learning to speak French.

Given how long the race is, she might make her federal public service BBB if she really pushes it. We'll see, I guess.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
canada's one working submarine is broken down also its going to take billions of dollars to fix and why the gently caress do we even have submarines at all

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

nesaM killed Masen

RBC posted:

canada's one working submarine is broken down also its going to take billions of dollars to fix and why the gently caress do we even have submarines at all

Again?

Tochiazuma
Feb 16, 2007

RBC posted:

canada's one working submarine is broken down also its going to take billions of dollars to fix and why the gently caress do we even have submarines at all

'Broken down' as in there was actually a time it was working? Huh.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
I'd just like to remind people that the city of toronto is a giant slumlord, we are forcing thousands of powerless, impoverished people to live in government housing with leaking roofs, hallways, plaster that is literally falling on peoples heads, cockroaches and bedbugs all of which could easily be repaired with the money we spend on submarine maintenance

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

RBC posted:

canada's one working submarine is broken down also its going to take billions of dollars to fix and why the gently caress do we even have submarines at all

It's extra funny that we were ripped off by our colonial masters on that sub deal.

They must still be giggling into their tea.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Canada gonna Canad.

Kindest Forums User
Mar 25, 2008

Let me tell you about my opinion about Bernie Sanders and why Donald Trump is his true successor.

You cannot vote Hillary Clinton because she is worse than Trump.
hundreds of millions of dollars well spent imo.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

nesaM killed Masen
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/nova-scotia/used-subs-a-daft-deal-for-canada-u-k-mp-says-1.1166047

From 2012. This loving country sometimes.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
The biggest question is what possible military need Canada saw for four decommissioned attack submarines. What military mission are Are Boys supposedly going to conduct that requires torpedo-shooting submarines in the first place?

Then once we've answered that fundamental question we can move on to all the other insanely moronic things about them.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

nesaM killed Masen

vyelkin posted:

The biggest question is what possible military need Canada saw for four decommissioned attack submarines. What military mission are Are Boys supposedly going to conduct that requires torpedo-shooting submarines in the first place?

Then once we've answered that fundamental question we can move on to all the other insanely moronic things about them.

ARCTIC SOVEREIGNTY *cums everywhere*

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
750m aint gonna buy poo poo for this government so I'm not sure why the article is mentioning a refund.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




vyelkin posted:

The biggest question is what possible military need Canada saw for four decommissioned attack submarines. What military mission are Are Boys supposedly going to conduct that requires torpedo-shooting submarines in the first place?

Then once we've answered that fundamental question we can move on to all the other insanely moronic things about them.

Dont you watch the movies? There are still tons of hidden Nazi U-Boats out there just waiting to strike and start World War 3! Did I mention they were zombie Nazis? Extra evil.

Also this:

CLAM DOWN posted:

ARCTIC SOVEREIGNTY *cums everywhere*

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Helsing posted:

The point of the last election is that the Conservatives are 1) a bit too suspicious of foreigners and 2) a bit too heavy handed to wholesale sell out the country. Fortunately the Liberals are here to trick low-info voters into thinking they've chosen a "progressive" government. The Liberals will sell policies that the Conservatives could never dream of getting away with:


We're going to sell our natural resources to the actual economies of the world for dirt cheap and our reward will be the new global oligarchy treating our real estate as their private savings accounts, pricing us out of our own cities.

So, we have the TPP with it's extra-legal system allowing companies to sue countries for unlimited amounts in damages (but not vice versa) and we want to bring Chinese state owned enterprises into the mix. These are the same companies that have successfully argued in court that even basic business data that any western investor takes as a given are state secrets and cannot be divulged.

That's a hell of a big club we're trying to hand them.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

You made a fine post for yourself. ...For a casualry, I suppose.
You idiots don't get it, since climate change is going to put a whole lot more water in the arctic (and everywhere else) of course we need more subs to defend all that extra water. It hurts to be called daft by some British person but this isn't hard. It's math. We need to keep a constant water to sub ratio. More water, more subs.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
Get rid of the entire army altogether IMHO. Be the Costa Rica of the North.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

vyelkin posted:

The biggest question is what possible military need Canada saw for four decommissioned attack submarines. What military mission are Are Boys supposedly going to conduct that requires torpedo-shooting submarines in the first place?

Then once we've answered that fundamental question we can move on to all the other insanely moronic things about them.

We refuse to admit that we're bit players on the world stage and we think we need all the same toys as the big boys.

jm20 posted:

750m aint gonna buy poo poo for this government so I'm not sure why the article is mentioning a refund.

At the very least we'd no longer have the nightmarish maintenance costs.

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

Pinterest Mom posted:

:swoon:


AFAIK she doesn't speak any french, though, so I can't in good conscience vote for her, but I'm glad she'll be in the race.

She's rejected the NDP's $30k entry fee and is running as an "unofficial candidate." I don't know what the hell this means except that she's probably not serious?

quote:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cheri-dinovo-ndp-leadership-announcement-1.3619812

Toronto MPP Cheri DiNovo is declaring herself an "unofficial candidate" for the leadership of the federal New Democrats, shunning the party's rules for entering the top contest.

The rules for candidates include a $30,000 registration fee and a spending limit of $1.5 million. The party will take a 25 per cent "administration fee" to be levied on all donations to the candidates.

"I just feel, in principle, that's wrong — that for the leadership of a democratic, socialist party, it shouldn't be about the money," DiNovo said Tuesday morning in Toronto. "It shouldn't be about how much money you can raise to buy buttons and bobbles to promote yourself. It should be about principles."

"I'm running for principles, not for a position."

...


Given the complete lack of interest and dearth of NDP candidates I guess it makes some sense to try to bargain down the entry fee? haha

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
Honestly the 30k entry fee is a big flashing warning sign that the NDP has no plans on diverting itself from the path that Layton and Mulcair put it on (and don't for a second try to blame Mulcair for finishing what Layton started, if you don't like the modern NDP then blame Jack).

Even in 2012 the entry fee was only $15,000 (in 2003 when Layton became leader it was $7,500). I can't see any possible justification for making it $30,000 except to keep out anyone who isn't already a well established MP with long term connections. If you were hoping the NDP would get some kind of outsider candidate or somebody really looking to shake things up then don't count on it.

I've been advocating that people stay involved with the NDP for years but I honestly can't give two shits about this race. There's zero evidence at this point that the NDP is capable of being anything other than the garbage fire that it has been since the 2000s.

Helsing fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Jun 7, 2016

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Helsing posted:

Honestly the 30k entry fee is a big flashing warning sign that the NDP has no plans on diverting itself from the path that Layton and Mulcair put it on (and don't for a second try to blame Mulcair for finishing what Layton started, if you don't like the modern NDP then blame Jack).

But he was just so hopeful and optimistic!

JohnnyCanuck
May 28, 2004

Strong And/Or Free
Blatchford hit a new low yesterday:

quote:

Christie Blatchford: Muhammad Ali faced the world with selflessness and bravery

I first saw Muhammad Ali, in the still-magnificent flesh and he was every bit as pretty as he thought, before his third fight at Yankee Stadium against Ken Norton.

It was Sept. 28, 1976, at the morning weigh-in, and Ali was in fine form, garrulous and funny. He called up to the stage actor Dustin Hoffman and asked him who he was picking in the fight. Then Ali cried, “I got the whole stage set. I got all the suckers set up. The whole world’s ready! This crowd came for a weigh-in; there are some fights that don’t get this many people.”

As ever, he spoke truth to power; there were plenty of those people in that room, spoiled rich men.

It was one of the first fights I covered, and I was still shocked by the sheer violence of the sport — the sweat bouncing off the fighters’ arms, the naked courage it must take to even get in the ring — and, though I knew nothing, I thought Norton won. So did a lot of others, smarter than me, but Ali won it by a unanimous decision, one that remains contentious.

Three decades later, a fellow who provides statistical data for bouts reviewed the data and found that Norton had landed more blows than Ali and at a higher rate. But the really astonishing number was that in 15 rounds, the two men exchanged 320 power punches. Jabs were extra.

The next time I saw him was in 1992.

I was on vacation in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, and saw an ad in the local paper. Ali, by then almost a decade into his battle with Parkinson’s disease, was still making about 100 public appearances a year, every one of them for charity, this particular event for the Special Olympics.

He was at a store called Sports Mania, at a mall in nearby Murrells Inlet.

He had to be physically helped to the autograph table. Above him, an old fight of his was playing on TV monitors, that long left arm of his moving in and out of Sonny Liston’s space with frightening alacrity. In real life at the mall, his left hand was twitching and jerking on the table.

At one point, painstakingly signing away and shaking hands and handing out his “Introduction to Islam” pamphlets, Ali began drooling. A long stream of spittle fell from his lips as a man was pumping his hand and saying, “We love you, man. We love you.”

People who saw it turned away and wept.

But Ali was still in charge. He was, his special assistant Abuwi Madhi told me, still making all his own business decisions. His face might have appeared frozen — one of the cruellest symptoms of Parkinson’s is that it causes what doctors call flattening, or a lack of affect — but his mind was still sharp.

And his ears worked fine too, which meant that as surely as he felt the love and respect of the crowd, he would have heard the patronizing remarks and felt the pity.

It was one of the bravest and most defiant things I’ve seen, to expose himself so willingly to public scrutiny. Upon his death Friday night, the president and CEO of the American Parkinson Disease Association, Leslie Chambers, said as much in an interview with the New York Daily News.

“Selflessness and bravery, those are the two things he epitomized,” she said, and in determinedly staying in the public eye, “He brought the average American’s attention to this disease. We’re so grateful for him.”

The last time I saw Ali was at a great remove, along with a huge crowd at the opening ceremonies of the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta and millions of TV viewers.

Ali was the big secret, the man who had the honour of lighting the Olympic cauldron. Reports say that the crowd roared as Ali, his whole body trembling, managed to light the wire that took the flame to the cauldron. I don’t remember that. What I remember is everyone weeping, or maybe it was just me.

What a man he was.

Born in the Jim Crow city of Louisville, Kentucky — at a time when whites and blacks lived separate and entirely unequal lives in what The New Yorker writer (and author of a book on Ali) David Remnick called in a beautiful remembrance “the racial arrangements” of the day — he won a gold medal at the 1960 Rome Olympics, then, four years later, shucked what he called his “slave name” and embraced the Nation of Islam.

Three years after that, he refused the Vietnam War draft, famously saying, this quote from a Jon Schuppe piece for NBC News Saturday, “My conscience won’t let me go shoot my brother, or some darker people, some poor, hungry people in the mud, for big powerful America, and shoot them for what? They never called me friend of the family. They never lynched me. They didn’t put no dogs on me.”

For that insolence, in April of 1967, he was stripped of his heavyweight title by the World Boxing Association and the New York Athletic Commission. Two months later, he was convicted by an all-white jury of violating the U.S. Selective Service laws, fined and sentenced to five years in jail. The U.S. Supreme Court later overturned the decision.

He was never remotely bowed or cowed.

It’s funny, but last week I was talking with a friend about the modern activist, the sort of person who defies law or convention or engages in civil disobedience, but is outraged and even wounded if asked to pay a price. Muhammad Ali seemed almost to expect to suffer for the stances he took (perhaps because he was black), he did almost every time (perhaps because he was black), and yet he took it all on anyway.

Years ago, Leon Gast made a beautiful documentary about the 1974 Ali-George Foreman fight in Zaire. It was called When We Were Kings. Ali was always one of those.

cblatchford@postmedia.com

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Helsing posted:

I've been advocating that people stay involved with the NDP for years but I honestly can't give two shits about this race. There's zero evidence at this point that the NDP is capable of being anything other than the garbage fire that it has been since the 2000s.

What should people who would have voted, donated or campaigned for the NDP do then? Support the Liberals?

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Jordan7hm posted:

What should people who would have voted, donated or campaigned for the NDP do then? Support the Liberals?

Don't vote, don't care about politics, be absolutely negative and hopeless, probably get probated a lot.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Helsing posted:

and don't for a second try to blame Mulcair for finishing what Layton started

What, Jack's ghost was holding Mulcair's family at gunpoint? Mulcair could have chosen to change course. He's responsible for his decision to move the party farther down that path.

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

JohnnyCanuck posted:

Blatchford hit a new low yesterday:

#I'mWithBlatchford

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Jordan7hm posted:

What should people who would have voted, donated or campaigned for the NDP do then? Support the Liberals?

The Anybody But Liberals gang is taking new members all the time. Join now and you could potentially double our membership.

Office Sheep
Jan 20, 2007

Jordan7hm posted:

What should people who would have voted, donated or campaigned for the NDP do then? Support the Liberals?

Hope we get PR and vote for a sensible faction that splinters out of the greens or ndp.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Ikantski posted:

The Anybody But Liberals gang is taking new members all the time. Join now and you could potentially double our membership.

Is it still voting Anybody but Liberals if they could run for the Liberals and nobody would blink an eye? Now that he's renounced his gayhatin ways Brown would fit right in with the Libs.

Anyway that Blatchford column doesn't seem bad at all. It's a hamfisted way to highlight just how much of a sacrifice it was for Ali to speak out against the war, but that's all it is.

JohnnyCanuck
May 28, 2004

Strong And/Or Free
I'm reading it as her using Ali's death to get her digs in yet again. Maybe I'm not giving her the benefit of the doubt.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Baronjutter posted:

Don't vote, don't care about politics, be absolutely negative and hopeless, probably get probated a lot.

Dehumanize yourself and become CI, got it.

namaste faggots

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Jordan7hm posted:

Is it still voting Anybody but Liberals if they could run for the Liberals and nobody would blink an eye? Now that he's renounced his gayhatin ways Brown would fit right in with the Libs.

Didn't see any Liberals protesting autism cuts yesterday.

https://twitter.com/brownbarrie/status/739976445427109889

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Ikantski posted:

Didn't see any Liberals protesting autism cuts yesterday.

https://twitter.com/brownbarrie/status/739976445427109889

Yeah sticking up for what he believes in. Just ignore that he still to this day wont commit to dropping the pro-life debate or right-to-work legislation or mandatory minimums or

I have had the misfortune of meeting and being around him on several occasions and I would quite honestly vote for Harper over Brown.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Furnaceface posted:

Yeah sticking up for what he believes in. Just ignore that he still to this day wont commit to dropping the pro-life debate or right-to-work legislation or mandatory minimums or

I have had the misfortune of meeting and being around him on several occasions and I would quite honestly vote for Harper over Brown.

Hey, at least you didn't say Wynne.

quote:

However, shortly after winning the PC Leadership, he immediately crumbled under mainstream media pressure to recant all his social conservative principles, and did exactly that. He now makes pro-abortion and anti-family statements routinely, when asked by the media. Brown marched in Toronto's 2015 gay pride parade which features buck naked men walking down the streets of Toronto in full view of children, simulated sex acts, sexual bondage, and sadomasochism. Brown was even co-opted as a puppet of the gay-activist lobby group calling itself LGBTory, to demand that the federal Conservative Party abandon its support of natural marriage between a man and a woman, a position he once defended.

http://www.campaignlifecoalition.com/index.php?p=Federal_Voting_Records&id=48

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

Hexigrammus posted:

Hmm. Looks like Peter Julian has an interesting resume. Didn't realize he had a pivotal role in the Transport Canada fight around substituting Safety Management Systems for actual aircraft safety enforcement. Gotta love SMSs. "Here's a wall full of paper that shows we're safe. No need for Labour Canada inspectors to check that we're actually doing any of this. You can go ahead and fire them all, or at least restrict them to their offices."

See also: Pipelines, Oil Tankers.

That's one thing that changed significantly over my career in Health and Safety. I started out trusting, then moved to trust & verify, then said "gently caress it" and just verified.

Here's the thing; SMS works, and works well in aviation.

First things first; SMS is not an idea unique to Canada - rather, it was mandated by ICAO a number of years ago because of the inherent conflict of interest between the regulator (Transport Canada) both making the rules and enforcing them, to say nothing of the fact that the regulator is almost universally tasked with helping to promote and advocate on behalf of their nation's aviation industry internationally. In order for our country to continue to be an upstanding citizen in the aviation world, we had no choice but to go down this road.

Second, in terms of how SMS actually works, I would say for the operation I work for it has been a net benefit, even though the cost of running an SMS is a LOT higher than the old system was...for an airline the size of Westjet or Air Canada, it is easily into the millions of dollars per year. For the operations I have worked for, which have ranged in size from a couple of aircraft all the way up to a few dozen, in every case SMS has opened up a better, more proactive dialogue between management and the staff in regard to flight safety, and many issues, even contentious ones like duty days, pay and quality-of-life, have been discussed, if not improved. Having said that, there will always be good operators and bad ones - for some companies, SMS has done the square root of gently caress all to make them more accountable or more willing to address their issues...Buffalo Airways is a prime example of a company that fell into this category. From the perspective of Transport Canada, SMS helps them delineate between the good and the bad, and devote their resources appropriately to enforcement.

Now for the caveat, and it's a big one, and one where we are failing ourselves. SMS only works if there is a robust regimen of oversight and enforcement by the regulator...by and large, Transport Canada usually does a good job of this, but they are critically short of resources and manpower, and considering the average age of their inspectors, it is only going to get worse in the next decade or so. As it is right now, there are only about 140 inspectors for the whole country, inspecting everyone from Dodi's bush pilot operation all the way to Air Canada, and they are being run off their feet. Every time I visit or call their office here, it seems to me that they are up to their eyeballs in poo poo and not making much progress beyond that.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
He's willing to sell out his beliefs for power? Are you sure he's not a Liberal?

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Jordan7hm posted:

He's willing to sell out his beliefs for power? Are you sure he's not a Liberal?

He's probably a closet liberal like Bob Rae

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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
It begins.

I'm not sure that the comparisons to Bernie Sanders are necessarily helpful, but she's definitely giving voice to the complaints Helsing et al. have been making here.

It'll be a shame to lose our NDP MPP in 2018, having lost our NDP MP last year. Peggy Nash's successor, Arif Virani is already agitating to reduce tenant rights and give more power to landlords in rapidly gentrifying Parkdale.

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jun 7, 2016

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