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Centusin
Aug 5, 2009
A debate on twitch while 6 LNP vs 6 ALP in Overwatch would be what a real agile leader would choose

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kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Scylo posted:

A debate on twitch while 6 LNP vs 6 ALP in Overwatch would be what a real agile leader would choose

They'll all just pick McCree anyway

sick of Applebees
Nov 7, 2008

kirbysuperstar posted:

They'll all just pick McCree anyway

Well it's fitting they'd all pick the same character

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



Ket posted:

Well it's fitting they'd all pick the same character

And none of them women

MiniSune
Sep 16, 2003

Smart like Dodo!

wombat74 posted:

Wait, another Child of Narara? I lived on Manns Rd growing up, never thought there'd be Narara goons. Or Gosgoons if you want a stupid portmanteau

Sadly not a child, but am a happy import to the area - I'm over towards the end of Reeves St. Far better than Mardi , Wow Woy and Umina where I have lived previously thus.

There are a few "centie coast" goons kicking around these forums. One day we may be arsed to do something.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Scylo posted:

A debate on twitch while 6 LNP vs 6 ALP in Overwatch would be what a real agile leader would choose

i think they'd pick le british meme girl, op

Sparticle
Oct 7, 2012

Scylo posted:

A debate on twitch while 6 LNP vs 6 ALP in Overwatch would be what a real agile leader would choose

LNP refuses to pick any hero that is not a white man, which leaves them with no support heros. They still win because the ALP went with public opinion to pick the most OP heros, leaving them with 6 Bastion units.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Essential: 50-50.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

I occasionally work up at Wyong for a day, and rarer again, at Pt Macquarie.

would like to live up that way but my counterparts in those areas are rusted on and never going anywhere so I am stuck in the Sydney branch :(

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope

Laserface posted:

I occasionally work up at Wyong for a day, and rarer again, at Pt Macquarie.

would like to live up that way but my counterparts in those areas are rusted on and never going anywhere so I am stuck in the Sydney branch :(

There's always murder. If your target lives in Wyong there should be more than enough suspects to throw them off your trail.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Starshark posted:

There's always murder. If your target lives in Wyong there should be more than enough suspects to throw them off your trail.

Ourimbah actually, so even more so.

Sludge Tank
Jul 31, 2007

by Azathoth
posting for sub but have an excellent facebook meme

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope
Did anyone not lol at this:

quote:

Sydney siege inquest: Head of police negotiation was 'managing five stand-offs at once'
By court reporter Jamelle Wells

Posted about 5 hours ago
Muslim cleric Man Haron Monis arrives at Downing Centre for a pre-trial hearing of his case, Monday, April 18, 2011
Photo: Man Haron Monis held 18 people hostage at Sydney's Lindt Cafe. (AAP)
Related Story: Sydney siege survivor says hostages felt they had been left alone to die
Map: Sydney 2000

The head of the police negotiation unit brought in during the Sydney siege was simultaneously managing four other high-risk stand-offs by phone, an inquest has heard.

The NSW Police Negotiation Unit Commander - codenamed Graeme - told the inquest he is one of only three full-time employees in the unit.

But he said at the time of the December 2014 siege the only full-time staff were himself and another negotiator codenamed Reg, who were working out of temporary offices.

Graeme said the unit has a number of part-time staff and he is responsible for coordinating it statewide.

The inquest heard Graeme's job involves giving advice about stand-offs via phone calls to his house around the clock.

During the Martin Place siege he worked a shift of 33 hours with no break.

Graeme said that during the 17-hour siege he was managing four other stand-offs, including an armed robbery and a separate incident involving a machete on the NSW Mid North Coast.


"Was it it the case that there was no-one else in the entire New South Wales Police Force who could deal with these issues other than you?" counsel assisting Jeremy Gormly SC said.

"That's the case … that's the protocols" Graeme replied.
Siege van out of action since 2011

The inquest has previously heard a purpose built van once used by NSW Police Negotiators has been out of action since 2011 due to storm damage.

The siege negotiators had to work from a small temporary office in a leagues club near the Lindt cafe where gunman Man Haron Monis took 18 people hostage.

Today, Mr Gormly asked Graeme if it was the case that the unit does not get enough support.

"No I think we do what we can with the available resources" he replied.

"There's only you, the truck in the garage ... and Reg?," Mr Gormly asked.

"Do you think that's enough?"

The inquest also heard the police negotiators worked without laptops and computers for most of the siege.

Graeme said he was not aware that several people, including lawyers who had previous dealings with Monis, Sydney's Grand Mufti, and freed Guantanamo Bay detainee Mamdouh Habib, had offered to help by talking to the gunman during the siege.

After Monis shot cafe manager Tori Johnson dead police stormed the building and killed the gunman.

Hostage Katrina Dawson died after being hit by police shrapnel.

We've got like five people that manage all the hostage situations in NSW.

Halo14
Sep 11, 2001
Young Liberals: Liberal Party investigating 'black ops' branch meeting as flailing faction flexes muscles

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...527-gp5ywl.html

quote:

When Julian Chu arrived at a regular meeting of his Earlwood-Kingsgrove Young Liberals on April 6, he knew it would not be business-as-usual. Chu, the branch president, was about to be subjected to a bizarre attempted leadership coup that represents the thin end of the wedge for the factionally-riven NSW Liberal Party.
What transpired at that meeting – a bunch of about 20 outsiders who sat on the sidelines texting, interjecting and generally flexing their young factional muscles – is now being investigated by Liberal Party head office.

But this was no ordinary intra-party brawl. Those who wanted Chu gone were mostly members of his own soft right faction: foot soldiers said to be operating on behalf of a handful of state and federal Liberal MPs.
The names of those parliamentarians would be familiar only to close watchers of politics: junior minister and factional power-player Alex Hawke, central coast MP Lucy Wicks and member of the NSW upper house Scott Farlow.
Senior Liberal sources described a network of party staffers, paid by taxpayers, who have set about disrupting weak branches to shore up factional control over internal party elections and processes.

And the behaviour provides a window into the future. This new generation of party apparatchiks, who will tread the well-worn path from the youth wing into safe seats and ministries, are proving even more aggressive than their predecessors.

"It's very troubling and upsetting that these Black Ops style tactics are being brought into my area," Chu wrote in a complaint to the NSW state executive. "The 'win-at-all-costs' approach has no role in the Liberal Party and risks damaging our reputation at a time when our focus must be on campaigning to re-elect the federal government."
The commotion within this previously quiet, plodding branch is but the tip of the factional iceberg. It comes as the soft right faction, a small force in the NSW Liberals at the best of times, struggles with several high-profile defeats including the loss of Bronwyn Bishop in Mackellar and the failure to shoehorn Hollie Hughes into the guaranteed fourth spot on the NSW Senate ticket over Concetta Fierravanti-Wells.

Those losses are compounded by a split in the hard right, which last year saw many members join the moderates, who now have an absolute majority in NSW. "That means that the soft right has become a lot less important," says one state executive member. "They've had better days - they're hemorrhaging at the moment."
Hawke, the member for Mitchell in Sydney's north-west, runs the soft right with discipline and aggression. Most suspect his capitulation on Fierravanti-Wells owes to his aspiration to be a senior minister in a future Turnbull or Scott Morrison government. In the meantime, many insist Hawke continues to pull strings in the Young Liberals, of which he was once himself president.

But why would adult MPs, including a minister, care about the goings-on within their youth wing? For one, the NSW Young Liberal movement is powerful, with members awarded the same voting rights as adult delegates at state council. Their president also gets a coveted seat on the NSW state executive. And without strong connections to conservative churches, the soft right is particularly reliant on drawing new members from within the youth movement.

"[They] care because of power over preselections and elections to state executives," explains a senior Young Liberal. "For them it's just about the numbers. Whoever controls the branches controls the delegates."
Hawke denies he, Wicks or Farlow retain any lingering interest in the affairs of the Young Liberals, or that the soft right is involved in a factional "push" to gain control of branches. He concedes affairs within the youth wing are turbulent and his staff are involved. "But no one's doing that at my behest," he says.

Among the youngsters at the April 6 branch meeting were Hawke staffers Dimitry Palmer and Vincent So, Farlow staffer Nomiky Panayiotakis (the branch vice-president), as well as Dean Shachar who works for state MP Mark Taylor. None would talk to Fairfax Media, but according to numerous sources their overarching goals are to expand the power of the soft right and undermine NSW Young Liberal president Alex Dore, who has fallen out with Hawke and the faction.

Dore is best known as the organiser of an infamous Liberal dinner at which guest speaker Alan Jones said Julia Gillard's father had "died of shame". Sources say he fell foul of Hawke and co because he does not blindly serve the factional masters. "He was never really a hard core soft-right loyalist," says a senior member of the Young Liberals. "He would push back and question decisions and not always be co-operative."
The man they want to replace Dore is Shachar, the vice-president, who is described as more "blokey" and compliant.

And while Young Liberals may band together to doorknock during the election campaign, on campus things are in disarray. The prestigious Sydney University Liberal Club, a preparatory for aides and future MPs, has been besieged by conflict and dysfunction since the soft right's split. Last week, the governing student union opted to dissolve the club's membership and postpone its annual general meeting, in an attempt to restore order.
The club's presidency is being fiercely contested by Josh Crawford, a Dore loyalist, and Dom Bondar, aligned to Hawke. "The centre right, more than any other faction, want to control the Young Liberals," says a source on the state executive. "They're always hungry for new branches, new university clubs, new operators they can bring across to their way of thinking. They're also quite psychopathic, and just incredibly difficult to deal with."

Dore and Chu, meanwhile, have found support from Dore's friend Alan Jones, a long-standing critic of Hawke. The morning after the April 6 branch meeting in Rockdale, Jones launched a spectacular tirade against Hawke, Wicks and Farlow, calling for them to be expelled from the party.
"The behaviour of people behind the scenes in the NSW Liberal Party would not pass royal commission scrutiny. No clear-minded person could possibly support it," he thundered.
The circumstances of that branch meeting, as well as related allegations of electoral fraud in the same branch, were referred to the party's head office. Through a spokeswoman, state director Chris Stone told Fairfax Media the matters were still being investigated. In the meantime, of course, there's an election to fight.

LibertyCat
Mar 5, 2016

by WE B Bourgeois

Cartoon posted:

* I'm a cautious pro-nuclear advocate. Go Lucas Heights! ANSTO 4ever! And if you didn't know, I hold a tertiary qualification in Science specialising in Quantum Physics. The sort of gung ho lets go nuke! advocates that sit on the pro camp sincerely make me want to flip sides. From the article I link previously

I'm happy you hold such qualifications, but really don't see how they're that relevant. It's much like a non-cycling doctor who specializes in Head Injuries calling for mandatory bicycle helmets. They only see one very small side of the story but never hold back when their opinion is asked.

When it comes to scaling up theory into something that benefits society at large you call in people with Engineering qualifications.

If you want to make some ammonia you talk to a Chemist. If you want to profitably and safely make a thousand tonnes, you talk to a Chemical Engineer.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

LibertyCat posted:

ah, i love mass effect, i want to kiss the blue space ladies

thank you for your contribution friend

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Sludge Tank posted:

posting for sub but have an excellent facebook meme



:drat: thats a really good ad

Sludge Tank
Jul 31, 2007

by Azathoth

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

:drat: thats a really good ad

did it not work? I've been having trouble with tinypic lately

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



It would be a perfect anti lnp ad for labor or the greens, i mean. No joke its strong as hell

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Jun 7, 2016

LibertyCat
Mar 5, 2016

by WE B Bourgeois

BBJoey posted:

thank you for your contribution friend

Miranda or Tali fwiw

Redcordial
Nov 7, 2009

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

lol the country is fed up with your safe spaces and trigger warnings you useless special snowflakes, send the sjws to mexico
This afternoon I watched the first episode of Cleverman and I have to say I'm quite impressed. What was better than what appears to be a great TV series highlighting the plight of both Indigenous people and asylum seekers and refugees, were the negative reviews.

Most of the negative reviews that I read were from the idealogical position that the show is racist, dumb, and continuing the dialogue of Indigenous people crying wolf in regards to feeling oppressed.

This mention of racism was either that of mentioning the show being racist to white people, or being racist to white people while secondarily mentioning that to a lesser degree it is racist to Indigenous people also.

It may not mean much to many, but I felt almost amused at the fact that by watching this show I learned many new things about Indigenous culture, language and history. Meanwhile people were too concerned about the mention of white people being loving oppressors when they are trying to get their TV-show instant gratification that they feel the need to write a 600-word critique of why this show was racist and wrong and also very very bad.

Take from this what you will, I'm between multiple exams and this is my brain speaking, you shall listen.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Cleverman is quite literally one of the most amateur poo poo shows I have ever watched.

the acting and dialogue was awful, the story really loving poor (lol "hairymen") and they couldnt have been more obvious with the indigenous theme if they beat you over the head with it.

I wanted to give it a shot but holy poo poo when I saw I had 18min left and I felt like they had told all they could with the story I gave up and went back to quality American Television.

I dont have a problem with the theme, it was just a really garbage TV show and I cant understand how it got any good critic reviews besides people being afraid that they might be perceived as racist for bagging it.

Redcordial
Nov 7, 2009

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

lol the country is fed up with your safe spaces and trigger warnings you useless special snowflakes, send the sjws to mexico
Yes, the only people who liked it and the only people to give positive reviews did so out of fear, fear of being considered a racist.

That last sentence of yours will do, thank you Laser for your service as always.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
The fact it's written by indigenous people to showcase their indigenous stories might be part of the reason there's kind of an indigenous focus.

Redcordial
Nov 7, 2009

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

lol the country is fed up with your safe spaces and trigger warnings you useless special snowflakes, send the sjws to mexico

starkebn posted:

The fact it's written by indigenous people to showcase their indigenous stories might be part of the reason there's kind of an indigenous focus.

I also found a lack of mention from Laserfarce about the theme being relative and very much applicable to asylum seekers and refugees. But of course, what the gently caress could possibly consider his thought of such people plight.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Redcordial posted:

I also found a lack of mention from Laserfarce about the theme being relative and very much applicable to asylum seekers and refugees. But of course, what the gently caress could possibly consider his thought of such people plight.


it was more that I actually dont care enough about arguing the point or the show enough to fully detail everything about it that had already been said.

Redcordial
Nov 7, 2009

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

lol the country is fed up with your safe spaces and trigger warnings you useless special snowflakes, send the sjws to mexico

Laserface posted:

it was more that I actually dont care enough about arguing the point or the show enough to fully detail everything about it that had already been said.

You cared enough to comment that most of the positive critiques of Cleverman were made so out of fear of being labelled a racist. I believe as a result of that one could say, your bias is showing.

Your bias is ugly.

GrandTheftAutism
Dec 24, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

LibertyCat posted:

ah, i love mass effect, i want to kiss the blue space ladies

You and ten thousand other thirsty geeks, my right-wing friend.


Halo14 posted:

Young Liberals: Liberal Party investigating 'black ops' branch meeting as flailing faction flexes muscles

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...527-gp5ywl.html

This is scarily close to what crippled the Democrats in 2012. RebootD, as they called themselves, used some pretty lovely stealth tactics to try to dissolve the party and replace it with a functional copy controlled by them. They would have succeeded had the AEC not alerted the National President to membership data discrepancies (and he hadn't acted swiftly). Factional conflict on that scale could easily wreck the Young Liberals' poo poo if it's not quickly and forcefully contained.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

We've know the Young Liberals were a toxic bunch of kiddies for years, but if this is an accurate picture, it's beginning to scare even the grownups, so imagine how poo poo they'll be as politicians.

I hope Cleverman is as divisive as possible.

edit: on another subject, can anyone remember the last time a government employed a small-target strategy during an election? I suppose you could call Abbott's strategy small-targetish, but Turnbull's seems something new, he's not debating, seems to be in a race to see who actually launches their platform last (and remember, the taxpayer is paying for everything up to that point!), and beginning to retreat from saying anything that could be a PR gotcha.

ewe2 fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jun 7, 2016

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?
Looks like the Melbourne ring road is going to be finished. Articles in the newspapers are starting to come out, though I'm not sure it will be announced before or after the next state election. I'm surprised Malcolm hasn't had anything to say about it.

The key part is that's it's written under the assumption that it will be a toll road. I think that's why the reports are getting written - to soften everyone up for it. The ring road does need to be finished, but someone, somewhere is paying money to get it done as a toll road.

LibertyCat
Mar 5, 2016

by WE B Bourgeois

ScreamingLlama posted:

This is scarily close to what crippled the Democrats in 2012. RebootD, as they called themselves, used some pretty lovely stealth tactics to try to dissolve the party and replace it with a functional copy controlled by them. They would have succeeded had the AEC not alerted the National President to membership data discrepancies (and he hadn't acted swiftly). Factional conflict on that scale could easily wreck the Young Liberals' poo poo if it's not quickly and forcefully contained.

Wow, imagine what the Democrats would look like today had they succeeded. Really dodged a bullet there.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
This is going to be rambly, but I am studying from exams etc.

Over the past week or so, the United Patriots Front (UPF) have been experiencing some pretty severe internal discord, otherwise known as "The Splits". Amazingly, the divisive topic in this case is "How amazing is Hitler, right?" and you've got the :siren: Brisbane-based:siren: UPF associate Scott Moerland being a front for the "Nazis bad" position, with people like Chris Shortis representing the primary "Nazis good" position. This is obviously pretty ironic seeing as you'd expect QLD to have the shittier opinions, but here we are.

This current split nicely illustrates the geographic and ideological divide in the nationalist/ultranationalist groups existing in Australia at the moment. The UPF & crew are very much a Victorian group, with their maximum power projection to date occuring last year. Although they have expanded to Perth, they still have issues forming stable platforms in places such as Sydney or Brisbane, and this seems due to the fact that existing nationalist groups aren't neo-nazis/willing to tolerate neo-nazis. A great example is the Brisbane RA rally on the 22/11/15, where a few nazis turned out and actively hurt their cause with less radical supporters.

It'll be interesting to see how this impacts the nationalist/ultranationalist movement going forward with Scott Moerland no longer pushing the UPF's case in Brisbane. The UPF Fuhrer, Blair, is an ardent neo-nazi and so is most of the Victorian leadership so really I don't think they'll gain much further traction elsewhere unless we have some kind of terrorist attack or something. The Perth branch of the UPF seems to be okay but we can do a health check when their rally goes off in less than 2 weeks. Additionally, the UPF/TBC are holding another rally in the Melbourne CBD soon™, except this time it's more about flag-pride, or something. They've explicitly said it's not against Islam or immigrants so I can only guess they are trying to drum up more support because they are finding it hard to pull a crowd. Why they'd hold another rally in Melbourne is beyond me, the left-wing activist groups are super active and are now anti-UPF veterans so yeah might be a wet fart, might not be.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Comstar posted:

Looks like the Melbourne ring road is going to be finished. Articles in the newspapers are starting to come out, though I'm not sure it will be announced before or after the next state election. I'm surprised Malcolm hasn't had anything to say about it.

The key part is that's it's written under the assumption that it will be a toll road. I think that's why the reports are getting written - to soften everyone up for it. The ring road does need to be finished, but someone, somewhere is paying money to get it done as a toll road.

Yeah, I can't see many new freeway projects in Melbourne not being tolled. I was surprised when the Brumby Labor Government didn't toll the Peninsula Link.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

Recoome posted:

This is going to be rambly, but I am studying from exams etc.

Over the past week or so, the United Patriots Front (UPF) have been experiencing some pretty severe internal discord, otherwise known as "The Splits". Amazingly, the divisive topic in this case is "How amazing is Hitler, right?" and you've got the :siren: Brisbane-based:siren: UPF associate Scott Moerland being a front for the "Nazis bad" position, with people like Chris Shortis representing the primary "Nazis good" position. This is obviously pretty ironic seeing as you'd expect QLD to have the shittier opinions, but here we are.

This current split nicely illustrates the geographic and ideological divide in the nationalist/ultranationalist groups existing in Australia at the moment. The UPF & crew are very much a Victorian group, with their maximum power projection to date occuring last year. Although they have expanded to Perth, they still have issues forming stable platforms in places such as Sydney or Brisbane, and this seems due to the fact that existing nationalist groups aren't neo-nazis/willing to tolerate neo-nazis. A great example is the Brisbane RA rally on the 22/11/15, where a few nazis turned out and actively hurt their cause with less radical supporters.

It'll be interesting to see how this impacts the nationalist/ultranationalist movement going forward with Scott Moerland no longer pushing the UPF's case in Brisbane. The UPF Fuhrer, Blair, is an ardent neo-nazi and so is most of the Victorian leadership so really I don't think they'll gain much further traction elsewhere unless we have some kind of terrorist attack or something. The Perth branch of the UPF seems to be okay but we can do a health check when their rally goes off in less than 2 weeks. Additionally, the UPF/TBC are holding another rally in the Melbourne CBD soon™, except this time it's more about flag-pride, or something. They've explicitly said it's not against Islam or immigrants so I can only guess they are trying to drum up more support because they are finding it hard to pull a crowd. Why they'd hold another rally in Melbourne is beyond me, the left-wing activist groups are super active and are now anti-UPF veterans so yeah might be a wet fart, might not be.

What about those who work in the shadows

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Anidav posted:

What about those who work in the shadows

The UPF website is down lmao

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Welp stuck in Flinders station having a nice chat with cops after a racist got all up in my face.

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

Are the LNP actually campaigning at Flinders station?

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

SynthOrange posted:

Welp stuck in Flinders station having a nice chat with cops after a racist got all up in my face.

post more

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Big fat piece of poo poo got all up in everyones faces telling us to go back to where we came from invading personal spaces and poo poo. His phone somehow ended up on the tracks :iiam: and im waiting to do a statement

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starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

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