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People can have issues mistaking praise/criticism of something they've done (or a position they've taken) with praise/criticism of them. Maybe modding takes an extra level of social ineptitude in order to spend the time it takes to develop something amazing. What you do is not who you are. Maybe it takes some miles under your belt to see that or to no longer care.
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Well, steering this thread in a somewhat different direction, I recall some posters were asking about "mod packs." I found something like a mod-pack for Skyrim that seems to be focused on immersive playing. USE-ME Ultimate Skyrim Experience Maximum Edition (The names mods come up with haha) I didn't try it myself but maybe this is what you guys were looking for. It focuses on the use of Requiem over other similar mods, however.
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Jun 4, 2016 03:06
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I wonder what the most offensive modpack name I could come up with would be. Combined Ultimate Modpack for Skyrim Legendary Updates and Tools? Edit: Giant Optimized And Tweaked Skyrim Experience Agents are GO! fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Jun 4, 2016 |
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Transmogrifier posted:Well, steering this thread in a somewhat different direction, I recall some posters were asking about "mod packs." I found something like a mod-pack for Skyrim that seems to be focused on immersive playing. USE-ME Ultimate Skyrim Experience Maximum Edition (The names mods come up with haha) Thanks for this! I was the one looking for a mod pack, but I have since cobbled together my own set of mods. I basically just downloaded the top 20 mods in every category on the Nexus and then fiddled with them until it would boot up. It crashes a lot, and all of the children have turned into anime but I find the experience much more immersive.
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Agents are GO! posted:I wonder what the most offensive modpack name I could come up with would be. Natural Immersive Gaming something something something
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Jun 4, 2016 03:55
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Combined Ultimate Natural Terrain.
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Apoplexy posted:Natural Immersive Gaming something something something Natural Immersive Graphics and Gameplay Enhanced Restoration for Skyrim
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Kyle666's Immersive Lighting and Landscapes for Journeying an Enhanced World of Skyrim
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Jun 4, 2016 04:49
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Nazeem's absolutely Zealous Immersion.
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Jun 4, 2016 05:02
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Getting to the Cloud District More Often. 16384x16384 texture and gameplay overhaul. HD.
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Jun 4, 2016 07:28
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Skyrim Hardcore Immersion Trip
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Jun 4, 2016 07:56
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KakerMix posted:They are right but you don't get to control access to the material you put up on the internet, no matter how badly you want to and whatever the rules say. Blocking someone like Nexus does just means you force the sides to where you are on one side and the person you blocked is on the other, and they now have a reason to be mad. Then, they are just going to make a new account and do it all again and the nexus solution has solved exactly dick. The way Nexus handles it is bad and allows an easier way to drive the divide between players and mod makers when they start out as the exact same group. Rules are cool and good but since there is no way to actually enforce the rules in any meaningful sense it's just a bunch of posturing and ego clashing. The real solution is to not be dicks to each other but classically there is always a few giant dicks that gently caress it up and set precedence. We all remember the oblivion gate crisis and that sort of poo poo sets the tone for how people think mod makers are. Then, you have super-asses that harass mod makers which then sets the tone for how someone who makes mods might think their players are. Like, idk if anyone still gives a poo poo but I want to say, this is really where I was coming from when I was talking to Nerd of Prey. (That and a reflexive frustration at anyone playing the "you don't know what it's like, man!" card when, well, maybe more people than you imagine do, but w/e.) I don't think mod authors should have to eat any degree of poo poo from users, but in the interest of community there should be some boundaries on how to deal with that. I'd like to see a policy that allows the best authors to not have to deal with the worst users without presenting too much risk to good users or overly empowering petty rear end in a top hat authors, and I think the "ban from downloading" policy goes to far in one direction and stifles honest discussion. Pointing the finger at the Nexus is key, because it's not just authors and users. Authors host their stuff on the Nexus, and the people running the Nexus have a say in how people use their site. They don't have to allow authors (as users of their site) to restrict downloading permissions from any other user. They can and should allow blocking from comments. If the download ban is to exist, they also don't have to take a hands-off approach. They can put conditions on it in terms of what user behavior justifies that response. In the end, though, my issue is with the policy. (Side note, but people sending rape or death threats or any kind of threat to anyone need to be permabanned from the whole site, banning from downloading is not even remotely sufficient for that.)
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I want to see bizzaro world nexus that has a disclaimer whenever you upload something that says: -Bethesda Softworks legally owns everything made with their tools, not you -Users reserve the right to praise or criticize the mods, not the mod authors -All blocks of users can be appealed and then implement a downvote button for mods as well
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Mortimer posted:I want to see bizzaro world nexus that has a disclaimer whenever you upload something that says: The response to this would be 'oh blaboobaloo the modding scene wouldn't work then' which is a bunch of poo poo. Either the mod community will work or it won't, and catering to the egos of people has nothing to do with it. I'm 'THE INVISIBLE HAND OF THE MARKET WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING' as gently caress when it comes to modding communities because there is no consequences (that matter) to it. I know I keep drawing parallels to Minecraft since that's what I know, but three years ago the big name modders were a completely different group than what exists today, so much so that lots of players won't recognize the old-guard names at all. Back then when poo poo was getting shaken up there was gnashing of teeth about how the community will die and players should respect the mod makers and without the mod makers there would be no community and a bunch of other egotistical sewage. What really happened was the old modders faded to nothing as new and interesting mods came onto the scene made by people that were much more ~cathedral~ about the whole thing that came at it from a player's perspective. The mods were born out of "I am a player and I want to do A, I will make a mod to do A" then they grew in scope and refined out and players rewarded that with downloading, playing and talking about the mod and spreading it far and wide. The upshot to the newest mods is they are usually open source as well, so when the mod maker does go MIA (because if you don't enjoy what you are doing anymore just stop) someone else picks it up and keeps going. Players make the rules, they determine how 'good' a mod is via downloads, reputation and dialog surrounding it. Good thing that every single person is a player including all the mod makers so it should be easy to be nice to each other right guys???
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Jun 4, 2016 17:00
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There's never going to be a nexus competitor if someone doesn't set out to make one, but I wonder if the initial resistance would be too much to work through?
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Davoren posted:There's never going to be a nexus competitor if someone doesn't set out to make one, but I wonder if the initial resistance would be too much to work through? Perhaps everyone could just post their normal mods to Lovers Lab? It is an already established Nexus competitor.
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Dunno, it's not really a competitor to Nexus any more than a sex shop is a competitor to Walmart imo.
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Rutibex posted:Perhaps everyone could just post their normal mods to Lovers Lab? It is an already established Nexus competitor. Way ahead of ya. 
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Mortimer posted:I want to see bizzaro world nexus that has a disclaimer whenever you upload something that says: I definitely agree that there should be a rating system that authors don't have complete (or any) control over, though a section for an "author rebuttal" would be nice to include.
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Rutibex posted:Perhaps everyone could just post their normal mods to Lovers Lab? It is an already established Nexus competitor. The community there is apparently far less toxic than the Nexus.
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There's other modding sites like TES Alliance and Great House Fliggerty too.
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There's Bethesda.net guys!  Really though, I've not used it but I assume it's a lot like Workshop was. I'm guessing it probably can't do complex installations like modular options and compatibility patches (at least without a ridiculous number of extra steps and sub mods and whatnot).
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Squeegy posted:The community there is apparently far less toxic than the Nexus. Isn't it funny that weird sex perverts are the more reasonable and accessible people when compared to the Nexus. A few months have passed and it's time to attempt to mod and play skyrim again! I'll probably even play it actually this time as I figured mator smash out and it solved all my headaches. Why isn't that tool advertised more? I think this is the first time I don't have mods either conflicting out of my nose or spending hours upon hours solving conflicts in tes5edit which drained all interest in playing the game. Great Tool.
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Because its a bitch (apparently) to figure out, and honestly isn't ready for prime time in some ways. I've managed to create smash patches that cause CTDs at the main menu. For 99% of people, a TES5edit merged patch is sufficient.
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It sure would be nice if we had a new OP to explain these things.
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Whizbang posted:It sure would be nice if we had a new OP to explain these things. If this were the nexus, your rear end would've been tanned and banned right now, hooo boy Fargin Icehole fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Jun 5, 2016 |
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Agents are GO! posted:Because its a bitch (apparently) to figure out, and honestly isn't ready for prime time in some ways. I've managed to create smash patches that cause CTDs at the main menu. I noticed some thing where it renamed .esp files to .bak files, causing CTDs at the main menu because masters were suddenly missing, that was because I didn't configure it properly for use with MO. Also one time it dumped some files from the patch for literally no reason, apparently combining settings with "manage tags" can provoke all kinds of weirdness. Beyond that it worked well and better than the merged patch for me, as that wouldn't really merge all that much and sometimes also in very weird ways. The video tutorial that dude did sadly has the problem that he can't really explain well how the tool works, I've been familiar with all that record stuff since Morrowind/Oblivion and that obviously did make it easier to understand. The cool thing is that you can tweak what you want to have merged and what mod you want to have a base for lists on a per-mod-basis and if you have set that once properly you never have to touch it again if you don't do big changes to your loadout.
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Whizbang posted:It sure would be nice if we had a new OP to explain these things. Relax. Agents has some health issues that makes sitting and typing for any real period of time difficult. He'll get to it when he gets to it. I'll post an updated "Modding Skyrim in a Billion Easy Steps" list after he does update the OP, though.
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It's kind of a pain typing an OP on my phone, too. :|
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Whizbang posted:It sure would be nice if we had a new OP to explain these things. gently caress you, get banned from reading my posts
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Actually now that you mention it, it would be pretty awesome if the SA forums let you ban other posters from reading your posts in addition to ignoring theirs
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Fargin Icehole posted:If this were the nexus, your rear end would've been tanned and banned right now, hooo boy This is why I only use LoversLab and google translated Japanese skyrim blogs.
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I love how none of these joke scenarios even consider using the Steam workshop.
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Cross posting from the Fallout 4 thread as it seems somewhat relevant to the discussion. This is interesting, it seems PC mods are being reuploaded for the consoles, and Bethesda has told modders whose work has been taken that they can file DMCA reports on it. I don't know much about the law involved, but this seems to imply a degree of ownership of the created mod by the modder that I wouldn't expect Bethesda to grant. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-06-06-row-over-stolen-fallout-4-mods
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I dunno, it also could be that they don't want to bother using their own legal resources and are basically crowdsourcing a massive takedown notice wave.
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Davoren posted:Cross posting from the Fallout 4 thread as it seems somewhat relevant to the discussion. How DMCAs work is like this: Someone (anyone regardless of who it is) files a DMCA takedown request. The host forwards it on to you, then response to this is to file a counter-DMCA and then send that to the host. The host then sends that to the person that filed the DMCA takedown and then they have to serve papers to you and take you to court. DMCAs in the wild start and end with the request portion right at the beginning mostly because most free hosting solutions (file hosts, YouTube) assume all DMCAs are legit and cuts access to whatever is being DCMA'd immediately which then your counter-DMCA will take some amount of days to sit with no response from the person that filed the original DMCA and then the media is accessible once more. If you are paying for your hosting (like you host your own website and it gets DMCA'd) your hosting provider will get DMCA'd and forward it on to you and give you a time limit of some number of days to respond before they kill access to whatever was DMCA'd. Plenty of time to file a counter-DMCA and send that off which your host then sends to the DMCA-er and then dick-all happens because their DMCA takedown request is a copy/paste job from a google search just like your counter-DMCA is a copy/paste job from Google but at least you got rid of most of the 'this is obviously a template' bits unlike the scrublord that filed the DMCA in the first place. Bascially Bethesda doing it this way is a very standard way of doing things especially because this mod hosting stuff is free. Just because you send off a DMCA takedown notification on a mod on their platform doesn't grant you any ownership beyond the standard stuff you get from just creating a thing in the first place, the proof part comes when you have to serve papers and go to court. Bethesda is doing the very standard Cover Your Own rear end way of doing things in case someone uploads models and textures from another game that is owned by a business that has a legal team and is very keen on protecting their trademarks. I'm also going to assume that since anyone can request a DMCA on anything (because there are zero checks) and Bethesda will simply get a request, go 'welp' and nuke access to the file right away. Protects them just in case the DMCA is real and absolves them of any guilt or responsibility.
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Is this thread still active? I felt like playing this again for some reason, and I've already installed tons of mods but I have a quick question to those who might know more about it; Does the Immersive Weapons mod with its metric crapton of new weapons do anything to improve the weapon tier system from the vanilla game? Rather, does it add new and interesting good weapons that aren't ebony/deadric/dragonbone? One thing that makes me reluctant to replay the game is that I'm not a huge fan of the weapon tiers, you always start the game with Iron stuff and end with Daedric stuff. I've never been a fan of the daedric aesthetic so I'd much rather use.. well, anything else without having to gimp myself. I found a couple of transmogrification mods that would solve this, but they all seemed pretty iffy and.. experimental. Basically, I just want an expanded selection of "endgame" weaponry with more looks than "black, red and spiky".
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Your Computer posted:Is this thread still active? Yeah, I really don't care for the way daedric looks either, though ebony can look nice. There's quite a few weapon mods that add ebony/daedric tier weapons that have steel-like visuals, I'll see if I can dig some up.
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I don't know about Immersive Weapons, but there are some other good sword mods out there that add high-tier weapons. ------ Billyroo has made some really neat-looking swords, and they've recently become available as a compilation.        Be aware that as of now, neither the individual sword mods nor the compilation have leveled lists, they're hidden away, and have to be found. ---- InsanitySorrow has some good swords as well: The Thegn  The Thegn is a steel sword with ebony tier stats. Craftable only. -- The Stamford  The Stamford is a steel sword with dwemer tier stats. Craftable only. -- The Bastard    The Bastard is a two-handed steel sword with above steel tier stats. Craftable only. ---- "The Loners Sword"  "The Loners Sword" (yes, it's spelled that way) is a steel longsword with above deadric tier stats, and is hidden away in a certain cave. You'll probably want to download Sharlikran's patch for it though, as the mod itself is very old. ---- You can also try out Morrowloot Ultimate, which prevents stuff like Daedric and Ebony equipment from being handed out to random NPCs.
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