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MikeCrotch posted:It's been used before in this thread but: Yeah, that's how I feel about most of them too. I'm not sure why they didn't step it back when I apologized, but they went and got themselves cobbed to gently caress.
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Hermetic posted:As long as I can mock you for your sad attempts at armchair psychiatry. Hahahaha you made another autistic joke based on my dumb AV that somebody bought me, then edited it out.
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pookel posted:Speaking of which, I apologize for sticking an extraneous "A" in your name. I think one of my problems with "neurotypical" is that by definition, mental illness is not typical but it doesn't include all of those. I've been called neurotypical before (technically I'm not due to ADHD if Wikipedia is right but I generally forget I have that), despite having serious enough depression and anxiety that it nearly destroyed my life and I'm still piecing things back together and am consistently on the edge of breaking apart again. The anxiety specifically also stops me from being able to interact with people well. Despite this, I count as neurotypical. Edit: I feel like I should make clear I have no problem with words like allistic because it's significantly more clear.
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Jack of Hearts posted:Hahahaha you made another autistic joke based on my dumb AV that somebody bought me, then edited it out. I figured you bought that yourself, since you seem the type, and thought the better of engaging you over it, actually. djw175 posted:I think one of my problems with "neurotypical" is that by definition, mental illness is not typical but it doesn't include all of those. I've been called neurotypical before (technically I'm not due to ADHD if Wikipedia is right but I generally forget I have that), despite having serious enough depression and anxiety that it nearly destroyed my life and I'm still piecing things back together and am consistently on the edge of breaking apart again. The anxiety specifically also stops me from being able to interact with people well. Despite this, I count as neurotypical. I know how you feel on the depression and anxiety poo poo. I'm in a transitory period because of that poo poo myself, and watching anxiety destroy things in your life is sheer torture. If you ever need someone to talk to who understands what you're going through, I have PMs, hit me up. That said, I figured "not neurotypical" covered those of us with sad/scared brains too. Is it literally just "a way to say autistic without saying autistic"? That seems needlessly restrictive, as having a brain that tells you how awful you are/paralyzes you with sheer terror isn't exactly "typical". Hermetic has a new favorite as of 21:07 on Jun 8, 2016 |
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Hermetic posted:I figured you bought that yourself, since you seem the type, and thought the better of engaging you over it, actually. If you're five hours past your bedtime and still reading this, may I suggest getting some sleep? The fic will still be here tomorrow... unless, you know, something bad happens to it and the next morning there's just a 404 at this address and you're left with nothing but a fading memory and an eternal regret that you didn't stay awake longer and keep reading while you still had the chance... but hey, how probable is that? This story spreads by blogging, tweeting, word of mouth, favoriting, plugging on forums, and adding to lists; and remember, if the readers before you hadn't taken a moment to do that, you probably wouldn't have found this. If that's not enough to motivate you, then let me add that if you don't help spread rationality, Hermione will be sad. You don't want her to be sad, right? Don't forget to visit LessWrong dot com and read the Sequences, the true existence of which this fic is but a shadow. I recommend starting with the sequence How to Actually Change Your Mind. And now, with all universes owned by their respective creators, I present: OMAKE FILES #4: THE OTHER FANFICTIONS YOU COULD'VE BEEN READING LORD OF THE RATIONALITY Frodo glanced at all the faces, but they were not turned to him. All the Council sat with downcast eyes, as if in deep thought. A great dread fell on him, as if he was awaiting the pronouncement of some doom that he had long foreseen and vainly hoped might after all never be spoken. An overwhelming longing to rest and remain at peace by Bilbo's side in Rivendell filled all his heart. At last with an effort he spoke, and wondered to hear his own words, as if some other will was using his small voice. "We cannot," said Frodo. "We must not. Do you not see? It is exactly what the Enemy desires. All of this he has foreseen." The faces turned to him, puzzled the Dwarves and grave the Elves; sternness in the eyes of the Men; and so keen the gazes of Elrond and of Gandalf that Frodo almost could not withstand it. It was very hard, then, not to grasp the Ring in his hand, and harder still not to put it on, to face them as only Frodo. "Do you not question it?" Frodo said, thin like the wind his voice, and wavering like a breeze. "You have chosen, of all things, to send the Ring into Mordor; should you not wonder? How did it come to this? That we might, of all our choices, do that single thing our Enemy most desires? Perhaps the Cracks of Doom are already guarded, strongly enough to hold off Gandalf and Elrond and Glorfindel all together; or perhaps the Master of that place has cooled the lava there, set it to trap the Ring so that he may simply bring it out after it is thrown in..." A memory of awful clarity came over Frodo then, and a flash of black laughter, and the thought came to him that it was just what the Enemy would do. Only the thought came to him so: thus it would amuse me to do, if I meant to rule... There were doubtful glances exchanged within the council; Glóin and Gimli and Boromir were now looking at the Elves more skeptically than before, like they had awoken out of a dream of words. "The Enemy is very wise," said Gandalf, "and weighs all things to a nicety in the scales of his malice. But the only measure that he knows is desire, desire for power; and so he judges all hearts. Into his heart the thought will not enter that any will refuse it, that having the Ring we may seek to destroy it -" "He will think of it!" cried Frodo. He struggled for words, trying to convey things that had once seemed perfect in his comprehension, and then faded like melting snow. "If the Enemy thought that all his foes were moved by desire for power alone - he would guess wrongly, over and over, and the Maker of this Ring would see that, he would know that somewhere he had made a mistake!" Frodo's hands stretched forth pleadingly. Boromir stirred, and his voice was doubtful. "You speak fair of the Enemy," said Boromir, "for one of his foes." Frodo's mouth opened and shut in desperate bewilderment; for Frodo knew, he knew the Man was mad, but he could think of nothing to say. Then Bilbo spoke, and his withered voice silenced the whole room, even Elrond who had been about to speak. "Frodo is right, I fear," whispered the old hobbit. "I remember, I remember what it was like. To see with the Black Sight. I remember. The Enemy will think that we might not trust one another, that the weaker among us will propose to destroy the Ring so that the stronger may not have it. He knows that even one not truly good might still cry to destroy the Ring, to make a show of pretended goodness. And the Enemy will not think it impossible that such a decision be made by this council, for you see, he does not trust us to be wise." A whispering chuckle rose from the ancient hobbit's throat. "And if he did - why, he would still guard the Cracks of Doom. It would cost him little." Now foreboding was on the faces even of the Elves, and the Wise; Elrond had frowned, and the sharp eyebrows of Gandalf furrowed. Frodo gazed at them all, feeling a wildness come over him, a despair; and as his heart weakened a shadow came over his vision, a darkness and a wavering. From within the shadow Frodo saw Gandalf, and the wizard's strength was revealed as weakness, and his wisdom folly. For Frodo knew, as the Ring seemed to drag and weigh on his breast, that Gandalf had not thought at all of history and lore, when the wizard spoke of how the Enemy would not understand any desire save power; that Gandalf had not remembered how Sauron had cast down and corrupted the Men of Númenor in the days of their glory. Just as it had not occurred to Gandalf that the Enemy might learn to comprehend foes of goodwill by looking... Frodo's gaze swung to Elrond, but there was no hope there, no answer and no rescue in the shadowy vision; for Elrond had let Isildur go, carrying the Ring from the Cracks of Doom where it should have been destroyed, to the cost of all this war. Not for Isildur's own sake, not for friendship had it been done, for the Ring had killed Isildur in the end, and far worse fates could have followed him. But the Doom that had stemmed from Isildur's deed would have seemed unsure to Elrond then, unsure and distant in time; and yet the cost to Elrond himself of taking his sword's pommel to the back of Isildur's head would have been surer, and nearer... As though in desperation, Frodo turned to look at Aragorn, the weathered man who had donned his travel-worn clothes for this council, the heir of kings who spoke softly to hobbits. But Frodo's vision seemed to double, and in the shadowy second image Frodo saw a Man who had spent too much of his youth among Elves, who had learned to wear humble and stained clothes amid the gold and jewels, knowing he could not match them wisdom for wisdom, and hoping to outplay them in a fashion they would not emulate... In the sight of the Ring, which was the sight of the Ring's own Maker, all noble things faded into stratagems and lies, a world of grey and darkness without any light. They had not made their choices knowingly, Gandalf or Elrond or Aragorn; the impulses had come from the dark hidden parts of themselves, the black secret depths which the Ring had rendered plain in Frodo's vision. Would they outthink the Shadow, when they could not comprehend even their own selves, or the forces that moved them? "Frodo!" came the sharp whisper of Bilbo's voice, and Frodo came to himself, and halted his hand reaching up toward where the Ring lay on his breast, on its chain, dragging like a vast stone around his neck. Reaching up to grasp the Ring wherein all answers lay. "How did you bear this thing?" Frodo whispered to Bilbo, as if the two of them were the only souls in the room, though all the Council watched them. "For years? I cannot imagine it." "I kept it locked in a room to which only Gandalf had the key," said his uncle, "and when I began to imagine ways to open it, I remembered Gollum." A shudder went through Frodo, remembering the tales. The horror of the Misty Mountains, thinking, always thinking in the dark; ruling the goblins from the shadows and filling the tunnels with traps; but for Bilbo wearing the ring that first time not a single dwarf would have lived. And now, Legolas the Elf had told them, Gollum had given up on sending his agents against the Shire, had at last found the courage to leave his mountains and seek the Ring himself. That was Gollum, the fate which Frodo would share himself, if the Ring were not destroyed. Only they had no way to destroy the Ring. The Shadow had foreseen every move they could make. Had almost - Frodo still could not imagine how it had been done, how the Shadow had arranged such a thing - had almost maneuvered the Council into sending the Ring straight into Mordor with only a tiny guard set on it, as they would have done if Frodo and Bilbo had not been there. And having foregone that swiftest of all possible defeats, the only question remaining was how long it would take to lose. Gandalf had delayed too long, delayed far too long to set this march in motion. It could have been so easy, if only Bilbo had set out eighty years earlier, if only Bilbo had been told what Gandalf had already suspected, if only Gandalf's heart had not silently flinched away from the prospect of being embarrassingly wrong... Frodo's hand spasmed on his breast; without thought, his fingers began to rise again toward the vast weight of the chain on which the Ring hung. All he had to do was put on the Ring. Just that, and all would become clear to him, once more the slowness and mud would leave his thoughts, all possibilities and futures transparent to him, he would see through the Shadow's plans and devise an irresistible counterstroke - - and he would never be able to take off the Ring, not again, not by any will that would be left to him. All Frodo had of those moments were fading memories, but he knew that it had felt like dying, to let all his towers of thought collapse and become only Frodo once more. It had felt like dying, he remembered that much of Weathertop even if he remembered little else. And if he did wear the Ring again, it would be better to die with it on his finger, to end his life while he was still himself; for Frodo knew that he could not withstand the effects of wearing the Ring a second time, not afterward when the limitless clarity was lost to him... Frodo looked around the Council, at the poor lost leaderless Wise, and he knew they could not defeat the Shadow by their own strength. "I will wear it one last time," Frodo said, his voice broken and failing, as he had known from the beginning that he would say in the end, "one last time to find the answer for this Council, and then there will be other hobbits." "No! " screamed the voice of Sam, as the other hobbit began to rush forward from where he had hidden; even as Frodo, with movement as swift and precise as a Nazgûl, took out the Ring from beneath his shirt; and somehow Bilbo was already standing there and had already thrust his finger through. It all happened before even Gandalf's staff could point, before Aragorn could level the hilt-shard of his sword; the Dwarves shouted in shock, and the Elves were dismayed. "Of course," said Bilbo's voice, as Frodo began to weep, "I see it now, I understand everything at last. Listen, listen and swiftly, here is what you must do -" THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE With a critical eye, Peter looked over the encamped Centaurs with their bows, Beavers with their long daggers, and talking Bears with their chain-mail draped over them. He was in charge, because he was one of the mythical Sons of Adam and had declared himself High King of Narnia; but the truth was he didn't really know much about encampments, weapons, and guard patrols. In the end all he could see was that they all looked proud and confident, and Peter had to hope they were right about that; because if you couldn't believe in your own people, you couldn't believe in anyone. "They'd scare me, if I had to fight 'em," Peter said finally, "but I don't know if it's enough to beat... her." "You don't suppose this mysterious lion will actually show up and help us, d'you?" said Lucy. Her voice was very quiet, so that none of the creatures around them would hear. "Only it'd be nice to really have him, don't you think, instead of just letting people think that he put us in charge?" Susan shook her head, shaking the magical arrows in the quiver on her back. "If there was really someone like that," Susan said, "he wouldn't have let the White Witch cover the land in winter for a hundred years, would he?" "I had the strangest dream," Lucy said, her voice even quieter, "where we didn't have to organize any creatures or convince them to fight, we just walked into this place and the lion was already here, with all the armies already mustered, and he went and rescued Edmund, and then we rode alongside him into this tremendous battle where he killed the White Witch..." "Did the dream have a moral?" said Peter. "I don't know," said Lucy, blinking and looking a little puzzled. "In the dream it all seemed pointless somehow." "I think maybe the land of Narnia was trying to tell you," said Susan, "or maybe it was just your own dreams trying to tell you, that if there was really such a person as that lion, there'd be no use for us." MY LITTLE PONY: FRIENDSHIP IS SCIENCE "Applejack, who told me outright that I was mistaken, represents the spirit of... honesty!" Twilight Sparkle raised her head even higher, mane blowing like a wind about the dusky sky of her neck. "Fluttershy, who approached the manticore to find out about the thorn in its paw, represents the spirit of... investigation! Pinkie Pie, who realized that the awful faces were just trees, represents the spirit of... formulating alternative hypotheses! Rarity, who solved the serpent's problem represents the spirit of... creativity! Rainbow Dash, who saw through the false offer of her heart's desire, represents the spirit of... analysis! Marie-Susan, who made us convince her that we were right before she agreed to come on our expedition, represents the spirit of... peer review! And when those Elements are ignited by the spark of curiosity that resides in the heart of all of us, it creates the seventh element - the Element of Sci-" The blast of power that came forth was like a wind of moonless night, it caught Marie-Susan before the pony could even flinch, and she was gone without a trace before any of them had the chance to rear in shock. From the dark thing that stood in the center of the dais where the Elements had shattered, from the scarce-recognizable void-black outline of a horse, came a voice that seemed to bypass all ears and burn like cold fire, sounding directly in the brain of everypony who heard: Did you expect me to just stand there and let you finish? Twilight Sparkle stared at the space where Marie-Susan had been, where not a trace of the unicorn remained. She - she just - she - In the back of her mind, unheard, she was aware that Rarity was screaming. That wasn't a disintegration, said the voice of Nightmare. I sent her somewhere else. Rarity's scream stopped abruptly. Twilight Sparkle felt like her own scream was only beginning. Seven. It took seven ponies to use the Elements of Inquiry. Everyone knew that no matter how honest, investigating, skeptical, creative, analytic, or curious you were, what really made your work Science was when you published your results in a prestigious journal. Everyone knew that. Could there be more than one Element of Peer Review at a time - how long would it take to find another one - and the Nightmare wouldn't just stand there and let them do it - "Where?" yelled Rainbow Dash. "Where'd you put her?" I put the little pony in the same place I bound my pathetic sister, in the heart of her pathetic Sun. "She'll die!" cried Fluttershy, staring at the Nightmare in horror. "It's too hot, she'll burn!" Oh, don't worry. The power of the Nightmare surrounds your little friend, keeping her safe and cool, sustaining her without food or drink. She will suffer nothing more than boredom... The void-black outline stepped off the dais, walking slowly, deliberately, past the remaining six ponies. ...so long as the Nightmare's power is not broken. By any backup plans my sister may have set in motion, for example, and which may be known to you. In that case she will vaporize instantly. Such a lovely thing, friendship. It makes such a wonderful instrument of blackmail. Be sure to keep safe the Elements of Inquiry. You wouldn't want anyone else using them on me, now would you? "No," whispered Twilight Sparkle, as the horror began to dawn on her. Then a crawling sensation all over her skin, as the Nightmare walked past her, and the deadly power brushed her with its cold caress. Now if you'll pardon me, my little ponies, I have an eternal night to rule over. THE VILLAGE HIDDEN IN THE CLARITY "Consider the computational power required to manifest over a hundred shadow clones," the Uchiha genius said in his dispassionate tones. "It is an error of rationality, Sakura, to say 'fluke' and think you have explained anything. 'Fluke' is simply the name one gives to data that one is ignoring." "But it has to be a fluke!" Sakura yelled. With effort, she calmed her voice into the careful precision expected of a rationality ninja; it wouldn't do to have her crush think she was stupid. "Like you said, the computational power required to use over a hundred Kage Bunshin is simply absurd. We're talking the level of a major superintelligence. Naruto's the dead last of our class. He's not even jounin-level smart, let alone a superintelligence!" The Uchiha's eyes gleamed, almost as though he had activated his Smartingan. "Naruto can manifest a hundred independently acting clones. He must have the raw brainpower. But, under ordinary circumstances, something prevents him from using this computational power efficiently... like a mind at war within itself, perhaps? We now have cause to believe that Naruto is in some way connected to a superintelligence, and as a recently graduated genin, he, like us, is fifteen years old. What happened fifteen years ago, Sakura?" It took a moment for Sakura to comprehend, to remember, and then she understood. The attack of the Nine-Brains Demon Fox. Just a small bone-white creature with big ears and bigger tail and beady red eyes. It was no stronger than an ordinary fox, it didn't breathe fire or flash laser eyes, it possessed no chakra and no magic of any kind, but its intelligence was over nine thousand times that of a human being. Hundreds had been killed, half the buildings wrecked, almost the whole village of Beisugakure had been destroyed. "You think the Kyubey is hiding inside Naruto?" Sakura said. A moment later, her brain automatically went on to fill in the obvious implications of the theory. "And the software conflict between their existences is why he acts like a gibbering idiot half the time, but can control a hundred Kage Bunshin. Huh. That makes... a lot of sense... actually..." Sasuke gave her the brief, contemptuous nod of someone who had figured all this out on his own, without anyone else needing to prompt him. "Ano..." said Sakura. Only years of sanity exercises channeled her complete screaming panic into pragmatically useful policy options. "Shouldn't we... tell someone about this? Like, sometime in the next five seconds?" "The adults already know," Sasuke said emotionlessly. "It is the obvious explanation for their treatment of Naruto. No, the real question is how this fits into the outwitting of the Uchiha..." "I don't see how it fits at all -" began Sakura. "It must fit!" A tinge of frantic emotion flickered in Sasuke's voice. "I asked that man why he did it, and he told me that when I knew the answer to that, it would explain everything! Surely this must also be part of what is to be explained!" Sakura sighed to herself. Her personal hypothesis was that Itachi had just been trying to drive his brother into clinical paranoia. "Yo, kids," said the voice of their rationality sensei from their radio earpieces. "There's a village in Wave trying to build a bridge, and it keeps falling down for no reason anyone can figure out. Meet up at the gates at noon. It's time for your first C-ranked analysis mission." (This has now inspired an extended fanfiction, _Lighting Up the Dark_ by Velorien.) ERDŐS IN CHAINS "How could you do it, Anita?" said Richard, his voice very tight. "How could you coauthor a paper with Jean-Claude? You study the undead, you don't collaborate with them on papers!" "And what about you?" I spat. "You coauthored a paper with Sylvie! It's all right for you to be prolific but not me?" "I'm the head of her institute," Richard growled. I could feel the waves of science radiating off him; he was angry. "I have to work with Sylvie, it doesn't mean anything! I thought our own research was special, Anita!" "It is," I said, feeling helpless about my inability to explain things to Richard. He didn't understand the thrill of being a polymath, the new worlds that were opening up to me. "I didn't share our research with anyone -" "But you wanted to," said Richard. I didn't say anything, but I knew that the look on my face said it all. "God, Anita, you've changed," said Richard. He seemed to slump in on himself. "Do you realize that the monsters are joking about Blake numbers, now? I used to be your partner in everything, and now - I'm just another werewolf with a Blake number of 1." THUNDERSMARTS "I am sick of this!" shouted Liono. "Sick of doing this every single week! Our species was capable of interstellar travel, Panthro, I know the quantities of energy involved! There is no way you can't build a nuke or steer an asteroid or somehow blow up that ever-living idiot's pyramid!" HE-MAN AND THE MASTERS OF RATIONALITY "Fabulous secret knowledge was revealed to me on the day I held aloft my magic book and said: By the power of Bayes's Theorem!" FATE/SANE NIGHT I am the core of my thoughts Belief is my body And choice is my blood I have revised over a thousand judgments Unafraid of loss Nor aware of gain Have withstood pain to update many times Waiting for truth's arrival. This is the one uncertain path. My whole life has been... Unlimited Bayes Works! THE NAME OF THE RATIONALITY The eleven-year-old boy who would someday become legend - slayer of dragons, killer of kings - had but one thought upon his mind, as he approached the Sorting Hat to enter into the study of mysteries. Anywhere but Ravenclaw anywhere but Ravenclaw oh please anywhere but Ravenclaw... But no sooner the brim of the ancient felted device slipped over his forehead - "RAVENCLAW!" As the table decked in blue began to applaud him, as he approached the dread table where he would spend the next seven years, Kvothe was already wincing inside, waiting for the inevitable; and the inevitable happened almost at once, exactly as he had feared it, before he'd even had a chance to sit down properly. "So!" an older boy said with the happy expression of someone who's thought of something terribly clever. "Kvothe the Raven, huh?" TENGEN TOPPA GURREN RATIONALITY 40K I have a truly marvelous story for this crossover which this margin is too narrow to contain. UTILITARIAN TWILIGHT (Note: Written after I heard Alicorn was writing a Twilight fanfic, but before I read _Luminosity_. It's obvious if you're one of us.) "Edward," said Isabella tenderly. She reached up a hand and stroked his cold, sparkling cheek. "You don't have to protect me from anything. I've listed out all the upsides and all the downsides, assigned them consistent relative weights, and it's just really obvious that the benefits of becoming a vampire outweigh the drawbacks." "Bella," Edward said, and swallowed desperately. "Bella -" "Immortality. Perfect health. Awakening psychic powers. Easy enough to survive on animal blood once you do it. Even the beauty, Edward, there are people who would give their lives to be pretty, and don't you dare call them shallow until you've tried being ugly. Do you think I'm scared of the word 'vampire'? I'm tired of your arbitrary deontological constraints, Edward. The whole human species ought to be in on your fun, and people are dying by the thousands even as you hesitate." The gun in his lover's hand was cold against his forehead. It wouldn't kill him, but it would disable him for long enough - JASMINE AND THE LAMP Aladdin's face was wistful, but determined, as the newly minted street urchin addressed the blue being of cosmic power for one last time, prepared to leave behind the wealth and hope he had so briefly tasted for the sake of his friend. "Genie, I make my third wish. I wish for you to be -" Princess Jasmine, who had been staring at this with her mouth open, not quite believing what she was seeing, just barely managed to overcome her paralysis and yank the lamp out of the boy's hand before he could finish the fatal sentence. "Excuse me," said Jasmine. "Aladdin, my darling, you're cute but you're an idiot, do you know that? Did you not notice how once Jafar got his hands on this lamp, he got his own three wishes - oh, never mind. Genie, I wish for everyone to always be young and healthy, I wish nobody ever had to die if they didn't want to, and I wish for everyone's intelligence to gradually increase at a rate of 1 IQ point per year." She tossed the lamp back to Aladdin. "Go back to what you were doing." RATIONALIST HAMLET (contributed by Histocrat on LiveJournal, post 13389, aka HonoreDB on LessWrong) (reposted with permission) HAMLET Interloper, abandon this strange prank, which makes cruel use of the blindness of my grief, and the good heart of my good friend Horatio. Or else, if thou hast true title to this belov'd form, tell me: What drawing did I present to Hamlet King, when six years old and scarce out of my sling? Ghost 'twas a unicorn clad all in mail. HAMLET What. Ghost Mark me. HAMLET Father, I will. Ghost My hour is almost come, When I to sulphurous and tormenting flames Must render up myself. HAMLET Thou art in torment? Ghost Ay, as are all who die unshriven. HAMLET Like every Dane this is what I've been taught. Yet I did figure such caprice ill-suited to almighty God. For all who suffer unlook'd for deaths, unattended by God's chosen priests, to be then punish'd for the ill-ordering of the world... Ghost 'twas not the world that killed me, nor accident of any kind. HAMLET What? Ghost If thou didst ever thy dear father love, Revenge his foul and most unnatural murder. HAMLET Oh God. Ghost My time grows ever shorter. Wilt thou hear the tale? HAMLET No. Ghost What? HAMLET My love for you does call me to avenge your death, but greater crimes have I heard told this night. If all those murdered go to Hell, and others as well, who would have confess'd had they the time, If people who are, in balance, good, suffer grisly at the hands of God, then I defy God's plan. Good Ghost, as one who dwells beyond the veil, you know things that we mortals scarce conceive. Tell me: is there some philter or device, outside nature's ken but not outside her means, by which death itself may be escap'd? Ghost You seek to evade Hell? HAMLET I seek to deny Hell to everyone! and Heaven too, for I suspect the Heaven of our mad God might be a paltry thing, next to the Heaven I will make of Earth, when I am its immortal king. Ghost I care not for these things. Death and hell have stripp'd away all of my desires, save for revenge upon my murderer. HAMLET Thou shalt not be avenged, save that thou swear: an I slay thine killer, so wilt thou vouchsafe to me the means by which I might slay death. He who killed you will join you in the Pit, and then that's it. No further swelling of Hell's ranks will I permit. Ghost Done. When my brother is slain, he who poured the poison in my ear, then will I pour in yours the precious truth: the making of the Philosopher's Stone. With this Stone, thou may'st procure a philter to render any man immune to death, and more transmute base metal to gold, to fund the provision of this philter to all mankind. HAMLET Truly there is nothing beyond the dreaming of philosophy. Wait. The man whom I must kill-my uncle the king? Ghost Ay, that incestuous, that adulterate beast, With witchcraft of his wit, with traitorous gifts- HAMLET Indeed, he has such gifts I near despair, of killing him and yet succeeding to his throne. 'twill be an awesome fight for awesome stakes. Hast thou advice? A cock crows. Exit Ghost. (HonoreDB has now extended this to a complete ebook) (entitled _A Will Most Incorrect to Heaven: The Tragedy of Prince Hamlet and the Philosopher's Stone_) (available for $3 at makefoil dot com) (yes, really) MOBY DICK AND THE METHODS OF RATIONALITY (as related by Eneasz on LessWrong) "Revenge?" said the peg-legged man. "On a whale? No, I decided I'd just get on with my life." ALICE IN THE LAND WHERE THINGS ARE EVEN CRAZIER THAN HERE (as first written by braindoll in a review of this chapter, with some further edits) Alice was sitting by her sister on the bank, reading a book. She had several friends who were older, and if she just asked nicely, they were often happy to lend her books without quite so many pictures and conversations as was thought appropriate for a girl her age. Hot days often made her feel sleepy and stupid, so Alice had thoughtfully wet a handkerchief and placed it at the back of her neck. Still her mind had gone off wandering (just as if it was some little kitten whose owner had taken off her eyes for just a moment), and she had just decided that the pleasure of making a daisy-chain would be worth around 4/3 of the trouble of getting up and picking the daisies, which was nonetheless not equal to the opportunity cost of putting down her book, when suddenly a White Rabbit with pink eyes ran close by her. There was nothing so very remarkable in that; nor, in fact, did Alice think it so very much out of the way to hear the Rabbit say to itself, "Oh dear! Oh dear! I shall be late!" But when the Rabbit actually took a watch out of its waistcoat-pocket, and looked at it, and then hurried on, Alice froze in sudden clarity and fear, for she had never before seen a rabbit with either a waistcoat-pocket, or a watch to take out of it. "Oh bother," she said to herself (though not aloud; she had long since cured herself of that habit, as it made people take her even less seriously than they already did). "If I did not immediately recognize how much curiouser that was than the average rabbit, then something is interfering with my curiosity, and that is most curious of all." So, burning with questions, she ran across the field after it, and was just in time to see it pop down a large rabbit-hole under the hedge. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD (thanks to dsummerstay for reminding me to post this one) MORPHEUS: For the longest time, I wouldn't believe it. But then I saw the fields with my own eyes, watched them liquefy the dead so they could be fed intravenously to the living - NEO (politely): Excuse me, please. MORPHEUS: Yes, Neo? NEO: I've kept quiet for as long as I could, but I feel a certain need to speak up at this point. The human body is the most inefficient source of energy you could possibly imagine. The efficiency of a power plant at converting thermal energy into electricity decreases as you run the turbines at lower temperatures. If you had any sort of food humans could eat, it would be more efficient to burn it in a furnace than feed it to humans. And now you're telling me that their food is the bodies of the dead, fed to the living? Haven't you ever heard of the laws of thermodynamics? MORPHEUS: Where did you hear about the laws of thermodynamics, Neo? NEO: Anyone who's made it past one science class in high school ought to know about the laws of thermodynamics! MORPHEUS: Where did you go to high school, Neo? (Pause.) NEO: ...in the Matrix. MORPHEUS: The machines tell elegant lies. (Pause.) NEO (in a small voice): Could I please have a real physics textbook? MORPHEUS: There is no such thing, Neo. The universe doesn't run on math.
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Here's what happened, Hermetic. You made a bad post about autism and made an apology that may have been intended as sincere, but since tone is impossible to convey on the Internet, it sounded deeply insincere, very much like one of those 'I'm sorry you're offended' nonpologies that bigots give when they upset people. Someone got mad about this, and rather than going 'sorry if my tone wasn't conveyed all that well, I really do apologise for saying lovely things about people with developmental disorders', you responded with a passive-aggressive smugpost and then confirmed that you'd put the person who got annoyed on ignore. This basically confirmed to the thread that your initial apology had been insincere, and you were just being a confrontational poo poo about your right to offend disabled people. Cue several more pages of you digging yourself into an ever-deeper hole in the exact same way, earning more and more posters' enmity as you failed to consider why they might be so mad in the first place until the thread eventually got bored of your utterly obnoxious posts and moved on. The recent flareup basically made the same situation worse. Someone made a crack about autistic people, and you replied with 'careful, some awful people in this thread will get mad at you if you do that', implying that calling out people who make fun of autistic folks is worse than actually making fun of autistic folks. That's a pretty awful, blinkered thing to say, for reasons that several people across the past few pages have explained to you, and it's why you're being called a bigot. You responded with 'but other people have been mean to me, and some of them were bigoted too, so I'm going to keep being a passive-aggressive poo poo rather than apologising and shutting up', which is the behaviour of a loving five-year-old. You're not being the bigger person here, despite your attempts to pretend otherwise. You're being the kind of awful this thread was built to mock, and not at a pleasantly safe remove. Please stop it, and especially stop trying to get the last word. This isn't a debate you can win, this is just you being a total rear end in a top hat to and about vulnerable people in a public forum.
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Hermetic posted:2/10 trolling attempt. Barely worth mocking. Yawn. Yes, FYAD shitposts mean I actually believe in Eurabia and am actually a SASS style racist and transphobe. But damnit, you're not bad at forcing out a reply.
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djw175 posted:I think one of my problems with "neurotypical" is that by definition, mental illness is not typical but it doesn't include all of those. I've been called neurotypical before (technically I'm not due to ADHD if Wikipedia is right but I generally forget I have that), despite having serious enough depression and anxiety that it nearly destroyed my life and I'm still piecing things back together and am consistently on the edge of breaking apart again. The anxiety specifically also stops me from being able to interact with people well. Despite this, I count as neurotypical.   I guess to me, "neurotypical" is useful as a term to differentiate brains that process things in a way different from people with autism, ADHD, or some other conditions, and it's more about the thought processes than the emotions. A useful analogy I've seen for kids is that it's like having a PC brain in a Mac world. Mental illness is still about the brain, but it's more about feelings (and about chemicals and hormones) than about styles of thinking and processing physical sensations. It affects how you feel about social interaction, say, rather than your innate social interaction skillset. To me, having mental illness doesn't make a person necessarily more or less disabled (or privileged) than a person with autism, it's just a different way of being different. That's just me, though, and it might not be true for most people. What I really wish is that there were a word like "neurotypical" or "allistic" specifically for mental health. I don't like saying "mentally healthy" people because it kind of sounds like praising people for not having problems.
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pookel posted:What's up, Depression/Anxiety/ADHD bro. Oh yeah I totally understand the purpose of having a word like that which is why I support "allistic". I just feel like "neurotypical" is a bad word to describe it.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:TENGEN TOPPA GURREN RATIONALITY 40K
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Lottery of Babylon posted:If you're five hours past your bedtime and still reading this, may I suggest getting some sleep? The fic will still be here tomorrow... unless, you know, something bad happens to it and the next morning there's just a 404 at this address and you're left with nothing but a fading memory and an eternal regret that you didn't stay awake longer and keep reading while you still had the chance... but hey, how probable is that? I've made jokes in the past about Yudkowsky sitting watching a movie and thinking "WHY THE gently caress ARE THESE CHARACTERS NOT RATIONALLY MAXIMIZING THEIR UTILITY" I am sad it was accurate
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Hermetic posted:That said, I figured "not neurotypical" covered those of us with sad/scared brains too. Is it literally just "a way to say autistic without saying autistic"? That seems needlessly restrictive, as having a brain that tells you how awful you are/paralyzes you with sheer terror isn't exactly "typical". "Neurotypical" specifically refers to people without developmental disorders like ADHD, autism, and Down's syndrome.
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djw175 posted:Oh yeah I totally understand the purpose of having a word like that which is why I support "allistic". I just feel like "neurotypical" is a bad word to describe it. I have depression, anxiety, and ADHD as well. They're often much more crippling than the autism, because they fluctuate at seemingly random, whereas the autism is pretty consistent in how it affects me. But I digress.  
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Darth Walrus posted:Here's what happened, Hermetic. You made a bad post about autism and made an apology that may have been intended as sincere, but since tone is impossible to convey on the Internet, it sounded deeply insincere, very much like one of those 'I'm sorry you're offended' nonpologies that bigots give when they upset people. Someone got mad about this, and rather than going 'sorry if my tone wasn't conveyed all that well, I really do apologise for saying lovely things about people with developmental disorders', you responded with a passive-aggressive smugpost and then confirmed that you'd put the person who got annoyed on ignore. This basically confirmed to the thread that your initial apology had been insincere, and you were just being a confrontational poo poo about your right to offend disabled people. Cue several more pages of you digging yourself into an ever-deeper hole in the exact same way, earning more and more posters' enmity as you failed to consider why they might be so mad in the first place until the thread eventually got bored of your utterly obnoxious posts and moved on. If people felt that way, they were perfectly free to say it in calm, non-lovely ways, like you just did. My general rule is "act as you're treated". If people are angry assholes, I'm going to be an rear end in a top hat right back. There's no "debate" for anyone to "win". I apologized, thus my conscience is clear. I will proceed with being lovely to dumb assholes who are lovely to me, because it amuses me to do so. When they cease to amuse me, they go on my ignore list. You made a decent case for my apology being misinterpreted, and you discussed it like an actual human being, so for that...I am sincerely sorry I used "autistic" as an insult, and that in doing so I upset people. Using mental illness to mock people is one of those things that seems normal until you think about how profoundly hosed up it is, and it's a lot easier to forget that than it is issues of racial/gender/orientation, because our society focuses a lot more on those things. See? If anyone else who got mad at me had half your brains, this could have been over in a couple of posts. Good job. Teach the rest of them to be cool like you, not stupid loving assholes. pookel posted:What's up, Depression/Anxiety/ADHD bro. Hm...So it's a way to separate dysfunction (my brain telling me that I'm worthless, or causing me a ton of panic over deadlines is an empirically bad way for a brain to operate) from the spectrum (a mental change not viewed as a "problem" or "illness" so much as a different way of interfacing with the world). Interesting.
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Speaking of, the old LessWrong mock thread had a guy summarizing a fanfic called something like "My Little Pony: Friendship is Optimal which was all about how the best of all possible worlds would be to be mind-uploaded into a realistic simulation of a My Little Pony world where the AI won't let you leave and gives you privileges based on how much your behavior matches what it wants. poo poo was amazingly hilarious.
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Pope Guilty posted:Speaking of, the old LessWrong mock thread had a guy summarizing a fanfic called something like "My Little Pony: Friendship is Optimal which was all about how the best of all possible worlds would be to be mind-uploaded into a realistic simulation of a My Little Pony world where the AI won't let you leave and gives you privileges based on how much your behavior matches what it wants. poo poo was amazingly hilarious. I ended up reading that, and it was a trip. There's a point where a character gets an achievement for having sex with a pony.
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I was just thinking about the freaking Beisu-tsukai poo poo. I'm not sure what I love best about Big Yud: his complete inability to grasp conflict as a tool of narrative, or his earnest belief that his half-grasp of various intellectual conceits is not just special but actively a superpower. Does anyone have his blog post about "I CAN SUPER-REWIRE MY MIND TO SAVE THE WORLD, BUT I CAN ONLY DO IT ONCE, SO THE OPTIMAL PATH IS TO NOT DO IT UNTIL AN EMERGENCY ARISES AND KEEP ON WATCHING ANIME SMUT AND EATING CHEEZ SNAX UNTIL THE WORLD TRULY NEEDS ME?" That poo poo is delightful.
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Pope Guilty posted:Speaking of, the old LessWrong mock thread had a guy summarizing a fanfic called something like "My Little Pony: Friendship is Optimal which was all about how the best of all possible worlds would be to be mind-uploaded into a realistic simulation of a My Little Pony world where the AI won't let you leave and gives you privileges based on how much your behavior matches what it wants. poo poo was amazingly hilarious. It always amazes me how many of these idiots are far-right, misogynist, STEM-worshiping, edgelords, yet absolutely enamored of a brightly-colored show where a predominantly female cast of cartoon ponies runs around a loving magical feminist utopia that seems to operate on at least moderately socialist underpinnings (oh sweet baby jesus don't let that statement turn into a "politics of Equestria" derail). I can't find a screenshot of it at the moment, but I seem to recall a thread on one of the chans where they actually considered that for a moment Of course, it quickly degenerated into fantasies about whisking Lauren Faust away from the evils of feminism and showing her how the menz were the REAL victims, and how much better the show would be without all those stupid empowering messages for girls, or if they were all turned into supportive messages for boys, so I never really got a satisfying answer. It's still one of those things that legit bugs me whenever there's any intersection between the alt-right and MLP.
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pookel posted:I assume this is all Yud, but it's glorious nonetheless. There's authors' names in them, so not all Yud. I want to believe some of these are piss-takes to show how perfect rationality ruins a story, because they're hilarious.
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That Matrix one is inspired. I can't believe they're all to be taken straight. Some of those are basically parodies of rationalism.
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I apologise to the thread for this post.Hermetic posted:Nah, I'm pretty sure that it's people raging incoherently and me either mocking them because I'm tired of stupid assholes, or telling said stupid assholes to get back on topic. No, it really is you. Your normal posting in this thread is fine. The problem is you respond with incredible hostility to posts directed against you, to the extent that even when you make what would otherwise be a cool move (apologising, asking that the matter be dropped so that the thread can get back on track) you package it with condescension and insults. In the first place this means that the positive step is wasted, because it's packaged with fresh bomb throwing. In the second place it makes the positive step look completely insincere because surely (it looks) if you really wanted the thread to get back on track or were honestly contrite, you wouldn't do it in such a snide way. This then multiplies the effect with its apparent hypocrisy. So the thread gets locked in a feedback loop of you demanding everyone get back on topic while dragging them further off it by being incredibly rude and never giving an inch without swaddling it in a yard of barbs. The end result is that the thread eventually calms down just because everyone is so sick of the squabbling they stop posting, but there's an incredible amount of bad blood built up, which erupts every now and again for another n-page shitfit when someone slips up and lets a peanut fly. It's not a stable equilibrium, which is why I'm even making this post since just letting it lie evidently won't work. fake edit: a good example of this is the post above where you're straightforward with the specific guy you're talking to, but brace it with a bunch of insults at everyone else. People aren't being 'stupid assholes'. They're responding in a completely normal, expected way to That Guy who keeps making GBS threads up the watch party whenever he thinks someone has sassed him, and it's them you're going to have to either bury the hatchet with or at the very least stop picking fights with (and that is what you are doing, when you go off about 'stupid assholes' or condescending to people, whether you're telling yourself they started it or not) if you want the thread to stop being a mess. Please.
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Peel posted:I apologise to the thread for this post. If people are stupid assholes to me, I'm going to be an rear end in a top hat back. I owe no one courtesy unelss they show it first. I don't know why this is a hard concept for you to grasp. Peel posted:In the first place this means that the positive step is wasted, because it's packaged with fresh bomb throwing. In the second place it makes the positive step look completely insincere because surely (it looks) if you really wanted the thread to get back on track or were honestly contrite, you wouldn't do it in such a snide way. This then multiplies the effect with its apparent hypocrisy. So the thread gets locked in a feedback loop of you demanding everyone get back on topic while dragging them further off it by being incredibly rude and never giving an inch without swaddling it in a yard of barbs. Nah, they're being stupid assholes. If they don't like being called stupid assholes, they can get back on the thread topic. They started the aggression, so it's not on me to end it and be nice, as it just encourages more lovely behavior in the future, as they got away with it the first time. I've apologized more than I should have had to, put up with a lot more poo poo than anyone should have to, and tried time and time again to coral a bunch of stupid assholes back into talking about very marginally stupider assholes, when someone apologized for crossing the line so bad that even THEY had to admit it, I accepted it without further problem. I'm not sorry for any of that. I don't respond well to stupid assholes, nor am I ever likely to, and I refuse to apologize for that. The abrasive attitude stops the moment the constant unfounded rage towards me stops. If that hurts bottoms, maybe those bottoms' owners should consider watching their mouths when angry next time.
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Except it was over and done with. The thread dropped it. And then you brought it back up. Hermetic posted:Careful. There are some severely lovely people in this thread that flip out if you use autistic as an insult.
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Hermetic posted:If people are stupid assholes to me, I'm going to be an rear end in a top hat back. I owe no one courtesy unelss they show it first. I don't know why this is a hard concept for you to grasp. Again, this is the argument of a five-year-old. "But he started it!" It implicitly means that you will never be the one to de-escalate a giant, thread-making GBS threads argument, and will never pause to consider whether the anger at you is so 'unfounded' after all. It's a terrible way to post, or to conduct any sort of discussion. Your good behaviour should never by conditional on other people's behaviour being perfectly good.
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Hermetic posted:It always amazes me how many of these idiots are far-right, misogynist, STEM-worshiping, edgelords, yet absolutely enamored of a brightly-colored show where a predominantly female cast of cartoon ponies runs around a loving magical feminist utopia that seems to operate on at least moderately socialist underpinnings ... It's still one of those things that legit bugs me whenever there's any intersection between the alt-right and MLP. Christ, I remember that AI fanfic from the old thread. I read somewhere the guy who wrote it meant it as a kind of Chick Tract to scare people into donating to MIRI because an AI will enslave us in a lotus eater machine if we gently caress up even a little bit (which makes me wonder if he's read Frogisis has a new favorite as of 22:21 on Jun 8, 2016 |
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Man the neoreactionaries and grimbertarian post-rationalist insight porn wankers who read this thread are going to enjoy reading these past few pages whenever they check to see if their names came up again. And then they're going to get really really mad a woman had the gall to say a video game is sexist, or that Gawker isn't quite dead yet.
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Pulsedragon posted:I ended up reading that, and it was a trip. There's a point where a character gets an achievement for having sex with a pony. If I recall the old LW Mock Thread right, the sex wasn't even with a fellow uploaded ex-human, but with an NPC pony that presumably is an AI? Someone never taught the author about not bangin' a website. IIRC, he also has a job as a ponyworld wizard, which is described as Minecraft but less exciting. Some people have the saddest wish-fulfullment fantasies and write them as fanfic. EDIT: Also, the "cautionary tale" explanation was a complete fig leaf. Dude was obviously completely enamored with the prospect of foreverial ponitization. Antivehicular has a new favorite as of 22:34 on Jun 8, 2016 |
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djw175 posted:Except it was over and done with. The thread dropped it. And then you brought it back up. I warned someone off of starting this poo poo back up, and stupid assholes, being stupid assholes, raged out that I would dare. Darth Walrus posted:Again, this is the argument of a five-year-old. "But he started it!" It implicitly means that you will never be the one to de-escalate a giant, thread-making GBS threads argument, and will never pause to consider whether the anger at you is so 'unfounded' after all. There's a wide gulf between "perfectly good" and "stupid rear end in a top hat". It was crossed pretty much from the start on this one by people attacking me. And, no, sorry, the anger was unfounded once I replied with an apology and people kept raging. Sorry, but if you want the thread to not fall into a loop of rage and hate, make posts about neoreactionaries, instead of trying to scramble around finding poo poo to chide me for since you don't want to admit I'm right. Now that I've settled things for the umpteenth time, further stupid assholes raging incoherently will be ignored. Frogisis posted:I've seen a few articles floating around about this and aside from some speculations about how cartoons lead to kitsch and kitsch leads to This happens a lot in tabletop gaming culture, especially in large gaming clubs. They are, by and large, people who have faced ostracism and social rejection by their peers at some point in their lives. Thus, they are unwilling to visit that on others. So when some dude shows up ranting about "the gays", the gay guy playing in your group might be uncomfortable, but you don't want to hurt the new guy's feelings, so you just find a way to make it work. The someone shows up talking about how girl gamers are all attention whore sluts, and that pisses off the women in your groups, but you don't want to hurt this dude's feelings either, so you find a way to make it work. Sadly, yeah, like you say, the sane people tend to just move their games elsewhere, and increase the jackass/nice ratio in the group. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Antivehicular posted:If I recall the old LW Mock Thread right, the sex wasn't even with a fellow uploaded ex-human, but with an NPC pony that presumably is an AI? Someone never taught the author about not bangin' a website. Oh, no yeah, she had been fabricated by the AI specifically to make him care about her, and he was aware of this fact because at one point the AI explains to him "Yeah I'm just blatantly doing all this to emotionally manipulate you, because that's what I was designed to do. I guess?" There was also a really sad part where one character was miserable as a pony, and was sort of falling into despair because once you go pony you literally can never leave the virtual world she shows up and is just like. "Hey I know it sucks for you being a cartoon horse, so just let me brainwash you so you don't care about that anymore, that sound cool?" and he agrees. (Note: I'm paraphrasing)
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Hermetic posted:I warned someone off of starting this poo poo back up, and stupid assholes, being stupid assholes, raged out that I would dare. 
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Frogisis posted:I've seen a few articles floating around about this and aside from some speculations about how cartoons lead to kitsch and kitsch leads to I don't think it's cartoons per se, it's cartoons intended to sell merchandise. My Little Pony and most anime fall into this category, so on some level they're an expression of conspicuous consumption, economic materialism, the commodity self, etc etc, and people who define themselves by the things they consume and feel threatened by the thought of losing them are exactly the kind that turn into gators and the like. Compare something like MLP (which has a crazy fandom and is essentially an extended toy advertisement) and Steven Universe (which also has a crazy fandom but the merchandise is much more of an afterthought). Both are cartoons with female creators that are ostensibly "ess jay dubya" in content, but the former seems to inexplicably attract a lot of alt-right/fash types while the latter doesn't (AFAICT). I could be completely off on this, clearly, but to me it seems like a connection that makes sense.
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Remember that being an out-and-proud 'brony' (as opposed to a guy who just happens to have a soft spot for My Little Pony) is deliberate, aggressive appropriation. It's all about turning a product aimed at little girls into a product whose primary audience is adult men. Bunch of Internet nerds sitting down and going 'these are my toys now, you can't play with them'. That resonates a great deal with the alt-right.
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Darth Walrus posted:Remember that being an out-and-proud 'brony' (as opposed to a guy who just happens to have a soft spot for My Little Pony) is deliberate, aggressive appropriation. It's all about turning a product aimed at little girls into a product whose primary audience is adult men. Bunch of Internet nerds sitting down and going 'these are my toys now, you can't play with them'. That resonates a great deal with the alt-right. This is extremely important. One of the most prominent "brony" traits is asserting how ACTUALLY, they are cool and masculine for liking this girl's toy show, and not some weak feeb. The "Brony" subculture has a very strong base in toxic masculinity, which is why you get overlap with gamergate and the alt-right, who also revel in it.
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Darth Walrus posted:Remember that being an out-and-proud 'brony' (as opposed to a guy who just happens to have a soft spot for My Little Pony) is deliberate, aggressive appropriation. It's all about turning a product aimed at little girls into a product whose primary audience is adult men. Bunch of Internet nerds sitting down and going 'these are my toys now, you can't play with them'. That resonates a great deal with the alt-right. This is a very good point. What I wonder is if the same thing would have happened if the show hadn't been a toy commercial?
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Darth Walrus posted:Remember that being an out-and-proud 'brony' (as opposed to a guy who just happens to have a soft spot for My Little Pony) is deliberate, aggressive appropriation. It's all about turning a product aimed at little girls into a product whose primary audience is adult men. Bunch of Internet nerds sitting down and going 'these are my toys now, you can't play with them'. That resonates a great deal with the alt-right.  I really like your idea about it being a factor of the mindless consumerist aspect of the show. It explains the whole "I hate feminism but love MLP" angle. They want the consume the things, because they want to be part of a culture that lets them wave around totems (see: Davis' skull, whiskey and cigarette), but they loathe aspects of what that culture represents. Hermetic has a new favorite as of 00:15 on Jun 9, 2016 |
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