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Rohan Kishibe posted:I always thought the arm wrestling results from the Troupe were meant to demonstrate how strong the Troupe was without using nen. I mean, Gon never suspected anything from Shizuku when arm wrestling and vice versa even though aura use would be both visible and you'd probably feel it if you held hands. I got the impression it was explicitly with nen which is why gon who barely knows any beat shizuku and the list starts with enhancers and then hisoka
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Serious Frolicking posted:During the fight with the armadillo Gon explicitly used nen. Like, with a big half page panel and a sound effect to emphasize that point. Why the heck would anyone who knows nen not use it when their life is on the line? No one is that dumb, not even Gon the suicidally stubborn monster child. Used it to block the blows he was taking, used his bare hands to kill him though. Jose posted:i thought simply using ten increased your strength Nah, it enhances your blows against both nen users and non nen users for sure, but physical strength still comes purely from you. It's why even despite the mooks on Greed Island being far more proficient at Nen than Gon and Killua initially, some of the ones they met still ran or couldn't take them on physically.
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Jun 8, 2016 21:36
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Wait, so the scene where Gon made a big show of putting out aura, then crushed the armadillo, followed by another panel of Gon with clearly visible aura meant that he actually retracted his aura completely without anyone mentioning it? Goddamn, I love this forum sometimes.
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Jun 8, 2016 21:48
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What nen is is kind of poorly defined. Sometimes it's a manifestation of abilities or defenses and sometimes it's just DBZ power levels.
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Jun 8, 2016 22:12
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CharlestheHammer posted:What nen is is kind of poorly defined. Sometimes it's a manifestation of abilities or defenses and sometimes it's just DBZ power levels. Isn't it kind of explicitly both of those things? Like, we know that more nen = stronger and we also (obviously) know that it can give you various abilities.
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Jun 9, 2016 00:40
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People who know nen use nen constantly. Like, they explicitly get training to keep their Ten up even while sleeping. Ten isn't as much of a boost as Ken, but it's still a boost, and we can assume that anyone who knows nen is using that almost 100% of the time, ie: whenever they're not intentionally using Zetsu.
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Enhancement is the most simple nen type, so I wasn't even aware there was a question of how it worked. Using ten strengthens your body, and enhancers have better results. Training produces higher aura quantity and density, which makes someone even stronger. Every nen user (aside from poor Pokkle, maybe) worked on enhancement regardless of their affinity, because that was the only way nen could be used to defend their body aside from a specialized hatsu. Going back to Uvogin (I know, I know), he didn't even really have a hatsu as far as we know. Instead, he developed the fundamentals for enhancement to an extreme. He was so much stronger than Gon was, that his big bang punch (or whatever it was called) was just a normal punch for him. By contrast Gon's rock completely stripped the aura from the rest of his body and made him defenseless. That is how Gon was eventually able to produce a craters of similar size as Uvo, despite how Gon was always much, much weaker than Uvo overall.
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Jun 9, 2016 01:05
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I've always wondered something about Gon's rock punch. Couldn't he have made saying the thing he says a condition and powered it up even more?
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Jun 9, 2016 02:01
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Silento posted:I've always wondered something about Gon's rock punch. Couldn't he have made saying the thing he says a condition and powered it up even more? It is pretty likely that he did unconsciously. It's kind of established that not all nen conditions are intentional.
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Jun 9, 2016 02:03
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I always thought that the pose and the phrase were his condition.
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Silento posted:I've always wondered something about Gon's rock punch. Couldn't he have made saying the thing he says a condition and powered it up even more? It was a condition because he always did. It was just unconscious one. Franklin for example. For his ability he actually removed his fingers. He did not need to do so, he just thought it would look cool when he used his Nen Bullets. But because he did that it powered up the ability.
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It's interesting how conditions and stuff don't strictly need to be a part of the ability. Take Kurapika's chains; he didn't make the ability so that it'd only work on the Troupe. Rather, he used his Judgment Chain on himself so that, if he ever used the Chain Jail on anyone who wasn't a Spider, it'd crush his heart. It's not something he built into the Chain Jail itself, but it still worked to empower his ability and make it possible. Things like personal taste make abilities more powerful too. Wing mentions that one's affinity for an ability and whatnot can make something far more powerful for one person than another even if the two share nen types. It's a very personal system in some ways.
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Jun 9, 2016 02:32
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I wonder how many people learned how to use Nen and decided to say gently caress it, and used it for personal use and avoid the whole murderfest that goes with being a hunter. Kind of like how Leorio's skills are based off him wanting to use his ability as a doctor and the fighting ability stemmed from that as an afterthought. Personally, functional immortality through enhancement nen would be my pick.
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Deki posted:I wonder how many people learned how to use Nen and decided to say gently caress it, and used it for personal use and avoid the whole murderfest that goes with being a hunter. Kind of like how Leorio's skills are based off him wanting to use his ability as a doctor and the fighting ability stemmed from that as an afterthought. In the Chimera Ant arc, it's pretty much outright stated that people who are really good at some skill develop nen which they use specifically for that thing, even if they themselves are not aware of it.
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Jun 9, 2016 02:58
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It's also stated even earlier, in the Yorknew Arc, that great artists leave traces of their nen in their works. I think they also implied that great politicians use nen for their charisma, etc. Nen is a perfectly natural ability that all geniuses use subconsciously, but you can also be trained to control it more directly.
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Jun 9, 2016 03:17
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They basically skip all the other steps and develop a hatsu. I'm not entirely clear if those people can see aura, though. I think we have only seen two examples, and one of them was blind.
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Jun 9, 2016 03:19
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Even Gon knew how to use Zetsu before he knew what nen was.
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Jun 9, 2016 03:23
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Yeah, "geniuses" subconsciously manipulate nen and sometimes but not always develop a hatsu, but at the same time don't know anything about nen and are probably as fragile as anyone else. Komugi or Neon or Zepile (he was a genius too; Killua and Gon saw his nen left on his forgeries) are/were probably just as if not more fragile than the average human despite their nen use. Heck, we saw Zepile's attempt at the Hunter exam; that didn't go well for him. Though, that reminds me, the old guy in the Hisoka origin story actually should have been able to just retake the exam. I mean, he knew nen, he was more than qualified to pass easily. It's not like there was anything stopping him.
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Roland Jones posted:Yeah, "geniuses" subconsciously manipulate nen and sometimes but not always develop a hatsu, but at the same time don't know anything about nen and are probably as fragile as anyone else. Komugi or Neon or Zepile (he was a genius too; Killua and Gon saw his nen left on his forgeries) are/were probably just as if not more fragile than the average human despite their nen use. Heck, we saw Zepile's attempt at the Hunter exam; that didn't go well for him. I think it's implied that Ging just crushed everyone so hard that it broke his spirit.
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Roland Jones posted:Though, that reminds me, the old guy in the Hisoka origin story actually should have been able to just retake the exam. I mean, he knew nen, he was more than qualified to pass easily. It's not like there was anything stopping him. Yeah but the first examiner was all 'if you fail this year you can never take the hunter exam again', and he left before the entire trick was explained.
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Jun 9, 2016 04:40
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lmao at the spoilers holy lol
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Jun 9, 2016 06:02
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I wasn't planning to read the Hisoka backstory until they released it with the final art instead of the rough draft but at this point it's like I've already absorbed the whole chapter anyway.
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Jun 9, 2016 06:22
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I would have cared if it weren't just fanfic.
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the tokyo ghoul author's hisoka story is better than the plot developments in the newest chapter
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Relin posted:the tokyo ghoul author's hisoka story is better than the plot developments in the newest chapter lmao
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the properties of rubber and gum
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Yeah, the spoilers I've seen for this week are... Wow. There are scans to back them up though, which is... I'm not sure what to make of this.
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I wonder if Netero didn't know anything about nen when he went out into the wilderness to dedicate himself to martial arts. Yet his deep convictions and commitment to martial arts gave rise to his nen ability, in much the same way that artists and such develop nen abilities in one specific thing. And since his thing was fighting he ended up with the most boss rear end ability for straight up fighting in the series.
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I havent seen the chapter yet but heres my guess for what happens: Hisoka pulls a gon and sacrifices all his future power for more power now. his hair turns into a literal rainbow
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TWIST FIST posted:I havent seen the chapter yet but heres my guess for what happens: Hisoka pulls a gon and sacrifices all his future power for more power now. his hair turns into a literal rainbow That is tame compared to what actually happens apparently.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Going back to Uvogin (I know, I know), he didn't even really have a hatsu as far as we know. Instead, he developed the fundamentals for enhancement to an extreme. He was so much stronger than Gon was, that his big bang punch (or whatever it was called) was just a normal punch for him. By contrast Gon's rock completely stripped the aura from the rest of his body and made him defenseless. That is how Gon was eventually able to produce a craters of similar size as Uvo, despite how Gon was always much, much weaker than Uvo overall. Enhancers are funny because they have incredibly simple conditions for their abilities and for most of them it's just a nen fundamental dialed up to 11. Uvo's Big Bank punch is considered a Hatsu and is just Ko with calling the attack attached to it. Phinks' Karmic Loop is just him winding his shoulder and his aura multiplies based on how many cranks he puts in, also Ko. Gon's Jan-Ken-Po is the same, a Ko punch with an aura multiplier (Confirmed by Knuckle for exceeding Gon's normal Ken output). Even Kastro could have taken his Tiger Bite and made it devastating if he's kept to his affinity. Enhancers don't really need fancy abilities when their whole thing is making stuff they can do with aura better.
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Deki posted:I wonder how many people learned how to use Nen and decided to say gently caress it, and used it for personal use and avoid the whole murderfest that goes with being a hunter. Kind of like how Leorio's skills are based off him wanting to use his ability as a doctor and the fighting ability stemmed from that as an afterthought. Well there's only like 600 or so actual Pro Hunters, and we know that not all the nen users we've seen are Hunters (by a long shot) so I imagine that there are many nen users who just chill out or meditate or cook spaghetti or whatever.
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Roland Jones posted:That is tame compared to what actually happens apparently. I just read them and I really don't have words for whatever the hell it is I just read.
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Jun 9, 2016 10:51
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Ha ha ha ha ha hahahahahahahahaha HOLY loving poo poo.
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What kind of nen abilities would cooks and poo poo even have Would their restrictions be stuff like using tomatoes in every dish or stuff like every cook time ending with a 7
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Just saw the raws. Wow. Well, at the least things make a bit more sense now, assuming I'm interpreting some of these panels correctly. Still, holy poo poo.
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Charlie Bobson posted:What kind of nen abilities would cooks and poo poo even have Nen does not necessarily have to have restrictions to be useful and even then it could be something as simple as "I prefer cooking in Italian cuisine so I subconsciously use my Nen to make really awesome pizza"
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Jun 9, 2016 11:35
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Komugi used nen for sure when playing games
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http://readms.com/r/hunter_x_hunter/357/3459/1 what teh gently caress
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